Dsg lifespan

[52172]

How many miles do people have on their trannys? How often do they need to be serviced? Wanting a manual, but a dsg is much easier to find? Thanks.

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

DSGs have a 40K mile interval for filter and fluid. It's important, as the clutches are inside the transmission and shed material in use. So you need to service it. It's not expensive, kits are in the $80 range.

We have customers with well over 200K miles on DSGs with no repairs needed. The clutches will wear out eventually, but it seems to take a long time. And beyond those you're looking at someting very similar to a manual transmission, so they're pretty robust.

Only thing I'll mention is I've talked to many TDI owners who wanted a manual but settled for the DSG. And regret it. Say what you want about the DSG (and it's a good transmission), it's not a manual.

 

[physicshogon]

DSGs have a 40K mile interval for filter and fluid. It's important, as the clutches are inside the transmission and shed material in use. So you need to service it. It's not expensive, kits are in the $80 range.

We have customers with well over 200K miles on DSGs with no repairs needed. The clutches will wear out eventually, but it seems to take a long time. And beyond those you're looking at someting very similar to a manual transmission, so they're pretty robust.

Only thing I'll mention is I've talked to many TDI owners who wanted a manual but settled for the DSG. And regret it. Say what you want about the DSG (and it's a good transmission), it's not a manual.

I have a really hard time believing that about customers “settling” for a DSG.

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

It's true. Many people tell me that. They weren't able to find a manual in good shape or at the right price.

 

[52172]

I’m going to keep searching for a manual....

 

[physicshogon]

It's true. Many people tell me that. They weren't able to find a manual in good shape or at the right price.

Why would they want a manual over an automatic though?

 

[Fixmy59bug]

Why would they want a manual over an automatic though?

Because some people just prefer a manual.

If VWoA offered a SEL Premium in manual like they do in Canada, I most certainly would have bought one of those and I would never sell it.

 

[52172]

Why would they want a manual over an automatic though?

A manual requires much less maintenance and will last half million miles. That’s why.

 

[redbarron55]

Do both have the DMF flywheel? That is where most of the problems are in the DSG.
I had close to 300,000 miles on my JSW when it went back to VW and it has the DMF replaced and the oil changes. I never missed the manual, but then I am lazy and the DMF probably shifts better than 99% of the manual experts.
That being said sometimes it gets as confused like I do at low speeds.

 

[Fixmy59bug]

A manual requires much less maintenance and will last half million miles. That’s why.

That's marginally true.

The manual should have its fluid changed even though its not listed in the maintenance schedule. Some people say intervals of 60,000 miles. The manual has a clutch as does the DSG. Both wear out over time. Both have a dual mass flywheel which will eventually fail. So other than fluid changes, whats the big difference? You know what DOESNT need to happen on the DSG clutch change like it does on the manual? A flywheel change. If the DSG flywheel is good, you can keep using it because it doesnt have a contact surface like the clutch flywheel does.

And it's possible a DSG could last just as long. There are some people well on the way.

 

[52172]

I change mine every 100k and still rowing gears at 440k

 

[physicshogon]

I change mine every 100k and still rowing gears at 440k

You have a manual?


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[IndigoBlueWagon]

Why would they want a manual over an automatic though?

That you would ask this question explains your earlier post. There are many reasons that a lot of us prefer manuals. Given a choice between an automatic or a manual car to drive, I'll always, always pick the manual, even if it's a bad one. It's not necessarily a rational choice. In my case it has nothing to do with durability or cost of use. I just want to drive manuals.

And on VWs both manuals and DSGs have DMFs. They have about a 200K mile service life, then usually need replacement, in both manuals and DSGs.

 

[physicshogon]

That you would ask this question explains your earlier post. There are many reasons that a lot of us prefer manuals. Given a choice between an automatic or a manual car to drive, I'll always, always pick the manual, even if it's a bad one. It's not necessarily a rational choice. In my case it has nothing to do with durability or cost of use. I just want to drive manuals.

And on VWs both manuals and DSGs have DMFs. They have about a 200K mile service life, then usually need replacement, in both manuals and DSGs.

I know what a DSG is but...what is a DMF? I’m approaching 200k now and experience no signs of anything needing replacement in the near future.


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[52172]

Yes sir

 

[Lightflyer1]

DMF Dual Mass Flywheel

 

[Anomicman]

I opted for the DSG and have no regrets at all ; it is by far the best tranny I’ve ever operated. I basically let it shift into 2nd gear, then switch to “manual” mode ; 1600 for 3rd, about 1400 for 4th, 1200 for 5th, and 1100 for 6th. Gets me into the very low 4’s (liters per 100 km) when not high 3’s (3.7 - 3.8). I have 250,000 km on it so far.

 

[Jetta_Pilot]

If VWoA offered a SEL Premium in manual like they do in Canada, I most certainly would have bought one of those and I would never sell it.

Actually I believe that you are in error, the S and SE came with a manual but not the SEL or as its known up here in the north as the "Highline"

 

[oilhammer]

Much to my pleasant surprise, the 02E DSG has proven itself to be a very durable long lasting transmission. It is probably one of if not the best automatic to grace any VAG equipped vehicle in quite some time. If you can get used to its idiosyncrasies it does an admirable job of getting the engine's output to the wheels. And the newer ones are MUCH better behaved, shedding the earlier units' nick name "Dorky Spastic Gearbox", which Ford has easily outdone in later years in spades.

The downside to the 02E:

40k service interval, and in some applications the filter is not a quickly accessed item.

They use a DMF that has proven to need replacement from time to time.

Many problems on the control side with the 02E end up requiring a new Mechatronics unit, which is expensive and somewhat labor intensive to replace, as it is something that in one part contains ALL the control solenoids, sensors, etc.

Limp mode: means neutral. You are calling a tow truck. Since these are more akin to a manual internally. Manuals have no limp mode either, but they also have zero electronics to fail to cause one in the first place. Conventional automatics can at least "move" the car even if they are completely detached from any electronic controls.

I'd say you are FAR more likely to require a DMF before hitting a quarter million miles than you would a transmission, and a slimmer chance of an M-unit for some reason. Those two items could in some circles be considered as expensive as a conventional slushbox replacement.

But seriously, they are probably in the upper 10% of reliability/durability of most any modern car with two pedals. Now you want garbage, just think about a Nissan CVT.

 

[03 shaker]

My 2 cents, I love my DSG. Before this car I had an MK4 5 speed and loved it too. When I was looking for a replacement I test drove a 6 speed Passat and liked it, I'm sure I would have loved it but couldn't meet on price.

Basically when I was shopping for my car, I looked at the whole car rather than just the transmission, and I'm happy with my DSG. Yeah the services are a thing but not that bad IMO.

 

[NSTDI]

I have a 2015 high line manual, my 4th vw manual, never put a clutch or flywheel in one. 2 had 350,000kms on them when sold.

I’ve driven a dsg and they are the best automatic I’ve ever driven, but still not as good for me as a clutch car. If you don’t abuse your clutch, they can last a long time. If you go to a transmission shop, they have very few who can work on a manual transmission, simply because they rarely break. They make a living repairing automatics.

I recall seeing many posts on here on dsg issues, not many at all on clutch cars.

 

[Fixmy59bug]

Actually I believe that you are in error, the S and SE came with a manual but not the SEL or as its known up here in the north as the "Highline"

No Sir. The highline absolutely was available with a manual transmission.

Here's one for sale

https://www.autotrader.ca/a/volkswa...ShowCpo&ncse=no&orup=3_8_8&pc=M6A 2V1&sprx=-1

 

[jjblbi]

I have a '14 Passat SEL w/dsg now at ~205k miles. I change the fluid & filter at 40k mile intervals. My dmf does rattle at idle and has for 75k miles. While I do enjoy rowing gears the dsg is a great trans.

 

[DivineChaos]

There was one online awhile back. 500k original clutch, dmf replaced twice

 

[physicshogon]

There was one online awhile back. 500k original clutch, dmf replaced twice

What causes the DMF to go bad?

 

[DivineChaos]

What causes the DMF to go bad?

Use. It is a wear part. Most manual trans have the springs in the clutch disk. These have it in the flywheel. The clutches are a wet clutch. And a dsg at it's base is a manual trans. The computer controls the dual clutches and the shifting of the trans. It's a really cool design. The trans itself is strong. The dmf replacement is based more on driving habbits. They have failed in as little as 40k and lasted as long as 250k. From what I have seen, it should be replaced by 150k. But oilhammer would have better insight on that.

 

[physicshogon]

Use. It is a wear part. Most manual trans have the springs in the clutch disk. These have it in the flywheel. The clutches are a wet clutch. And a dsg at it's base is a manual trans. The computer controls the dual clutches and the shifting of the trans. It's a really cool design. The trans itself is strong. The dmf replacement is based more on driving habbits. They have failed in as little as 40k and lasted as long as 250k. From what I have seen, it should be replaced by 150k. But oilhammer would have better insight on that.

I’m at about 180k and haven’t seen any signs of mine going bad but then again...99% of my driving is on the highway.

 

[DivineChaos]

I’m at about 180k and haven’t seen any signs of mine going bad but then again...99% of my driving is on the highway.

I would start saving. And if you get your trans tuned it's supposed to help. But remember 40k dsg service. And do a clutch relearn.

 

[physicshogon]

I would start saving. And if you get your trans tuned it's supposed to help. But remember 40k dsg service. And do a clutch relearn.

Well, generally speaking, what does the DMF cost to replace?

And what’re the signs that it’s bad?


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[DivineChaos]

That o am not sure of. It's a big process. Have to drop the subframe or pull the motor. A dmf is from 200-600 bucks. Close to 2k for a shop.

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