DSG Advice

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That is interesting. Good news for you in that the mechanicals are likely ok tho. I am only a stage 0.5. So, that has me wondering. I can't recall exactly when I started having my issues, but I would bet money is was before any tuning. Clearly, I have DMF issues, which need resolved, but I wonder if I have other mechanical issues now.

Oddly enough, mine has been driving better. I have been much more firm on the brake pedal at a stop and that seems to cause less shifting harshness when it's time to go again.
 

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i also just got my new DSG tune, it holds the extra power from big turbo without raising the clamping pressure to all hell and ham fisting the adaptation maps..

flash the new tune, and didnt even have to redo my adaptation.....
 

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i also just got my new DSG tune, it holds the extra power from big turbo without raising the clamping pressure to all hell and ham fisting the adaptation maps..

flash the new tune, and didnt even have to redo my adaptation.....
Can you post contact info and price for the tune?
Found them. Sucks finding this out after already spending the $.
Have you attempted to get a refund from malone?
 
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lemoncurd

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Can you post contact info and price for the tune?
Found them. Sucks finding this out after already spending the $.
Have you attempted to get a refund from malone?
I’ve just requested a refund. Will see how it goes. If they’re not receptive to refunding, I have thought about a charge back. Though I don’t know if I would do it, as it’s kinda a scummy thing to do…. On the other hand I’m not using the stuff I bought from them because it was well, unusable.


So VAG also flashed everyone's DSG as part of the "fix"?
Honestly no clue man. Bought this car after the dieselgate fix was done. So I’m blind to what it was before. I flashed my original read back to the car, whatever that was from when I bought the car post fix in 2019 from a dealer.
 

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I’ve just requested a refund. Will see how it goes. If they’re not receptive to refunding, I have thought about a charge back. Though I don’t know if I would do it, as it’s kinda a scummy thing to do…. On the other hand I’m not using the stuff I bought from them because it was well, unusable.



Honestly no clue man. Bought this car after the dieselgate fix was done. So I’m blind to what it was before. I flashed my original read back to the car, whatever that was from when I bought the car post fix in 2019 from a dealer.
How long ago did you get the DSG tune, I got one 3 years ago and curious on the maps and such.

Also VW did indeed flash the DSG/Auto transmission for the "Emissions purposes" that is why the 12-14 MT Passats couldn't get the AEM because of the DSG could but not the MT?
 

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Also VW did indeed flash the DSG/Auto transmission for the "Emissions purposes" that is why the 12-14 MT Passats couldn't get the AEM because of the DSG could but not the MT?
Maybe I need a Passat Wagon MT in my life??
 

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How long ago did you get the DSG tune, I got one 3 years ago and curious on the maps and such.

Also VW did indeed flash the DSG/Auto transmission for the "Emissions purposes" that is why the 12-14 MT Passats couldn't get the AEM because of the DSG could but not the MT?
Probably 2-3 years ago. It’s been problematic the whole time but I always chalked it up to my high mileage + just what happens when you “tune” a car

I’ve since learned it isn’t acceptable nor normal. And it was something Malone was unable to fix
 

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Probably 2-3 years ago. It’s been problematic the whole time but I always chalked it up to my high mileage + just what happens when you “tune” a car

I’ve since learned it isn’t acceptable nor normal. And it was something Malone was unable to fix
This info is kind of a big deal as many are running the DSG tune from them. Wonder if Malone has an account here and if they would like to respond...
 

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This info is kind of a big deal as many are running the DSG tune from them. Wonder if Malone has an account here and if they would like to respond...
Unsure if they have an account, but they certainly watch the forums.

I’ve got nothing against them, if their tunes were higher quality I wouldn’t be upset.
 

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Unsure if they have an account, but they certainly watch the forums.

I’ve got nothing against them, if their tunes were higher quality I wouldn’t be upset.
You have a right to be upset. I've got the same DSG tune and similar issues. Don't like hearing they can't fix issues other tuners can. I may swap mine back to stock to compare like you did. Also makes me hesitant to use them when I swap turbos down the line.
 

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You have a right to be upset. I've got the same DSG tune and similar issues. Don't like hearing they can't fix issues other tuners can. I may swap mine back to stock to compare like you did. Also makes me hesitant to use them when I swap turbos down the line.
be careful with stock DSG on a malone tune.

unsure if the engine will obey a reduced torque request from DSG with how malone has messed with maps.

my malone ECU tune even had ACC drag maps modified..... literally WHY. no need for it.

dont floor it with stock DSG tune either, even on my good ECU tune it makes for a rough upshift.
so i guess you CAN floor it, just either do it manually or let off on the accelerator before it upshifts to avoid a rough upshift.

other than that the driveability of the STOCK DSG file, on my GTB2266 CRTDI was better than malone DSG tune file. wrong shift points and all. im very disappointed :/

perhaps i should make a stink about it over in the vendor complaints area if they dont give me the refund ive asked for. i have the logs and files to prove it's a bad remap. AND my current tuners own recount of seeing the poor "tune" they did.
 

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quick update on this thread.

im quite upset with my Malone tunes.

i just switched back to original flash file, did adaptations, took it on the test drive, and all my problems are now fixed. it drives as smooth as a new DSG (i drove one on the weekend, so it's fresh in my memory)

yes, even with my nearly quarter million miles.

i took a read of malones tune, flash back my original, took a read of that, and sent them to my new tuner. he confirmed the suspicions, the same he had for another "stage 4" user from malone.

mostly, if not entirely, tune related. adaptation maps messed up, PID control maps messed up for gear shift + clutch engagement, and a barbaric pressure increase to hold more torque. new tuner is shocked i was able to do adaptations successfuly on the malone "tune" at all!

waiting on new tune, from my new tuner. same guy thats tuning my ECU.

the issues i had before are so bad, im quite literally making the conscious decision to stay on my original VW file, with a big turbo CRTDI.
thats how big of a difference this is.

yes, i have brought these issues up with malone, they stated i should swap my mech unit.
i then reached out to a knowledgable point of contact for DSG's, maktrans. explained my situation and they said clutch pack.

this confused me, which started me down this path. and here we are. it was neither.

frankly to say im upset is an understandment. the people at malone are great, but it seems their tunes are just purely incompetent. im speaking with someone who has a stage 2 on his TDI, similar issues to me. flashed back to stock, all issues gone.
absurd.

i have gone through 3 tune revisions for the DSG with malone btw, wonder how long until i have malone worshippers come out of the woodwork for this. i used to be on the malone bandwagon, hardcore. but im not anymore. im more disappointed than anything i suppose. upset and disappointed

my advice for DSG tune: use TVS engineering, or find a competent boutique / indie tuner. APR, malone, etc tunes aren't going to help you.
the most competent "big tuner" i have seen is kerma. so add them to my recommendation list too if you so desire.
Was TVS Engineering who you finally decided to go with? If so do you have their DSG and Engine tune? If so how do you like their tunes?
 

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Was TVS Engineering who you finally decided to go with? If so do you have their DSG and Engine tune? If so how do you like their tunes?
no, @Xtremefunky has tuned both my ECU and DSG(TCU)

but i've seen first hand the good results that TVS engineering provides for DSG's. especially with upgraded clutchpacks!

PS: very happy with my current tunes
 

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no, @Xtremefunky has tuned both my ECU and DSG(TCU)

but i've seen first hand the good results that TVS engineering provides for DSG's. especially with upgraded clutchpacks!

PS: very happy with my current tunes
Oh ok. How did youload your tunes? Did you work with a shop or did @Xtremefunky send you loaders?
 

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Oh ok. How did youload your tunes? Did you work with a shop or did @Xtremefunky send you loaders?
tuning the DSG can be done by OBD2

genuine PCMflash and it's modules can do a virtual read of the file.
but i find it best to do a physical read of the it, as you then get important info which allows you to bench flash / restore the unit should something go wrong.

rough shopping list:
VCDS, genuine. needs to be genuine for proper logging bitrates
PCMflash, the china clone works fine for me, but genuine is best. it does cost more for genuine but the virtual read function/real support is nice.

Tactrix openport 2.0, GENUINE!: https://www.tactrix.com/index.php?p...m_virtuemart&Itemid=53&redirected=1&Itemid=53
- dont even try the clones. just no..

Then this DSG adapter to read off your stock DSG tune for xtremefunky to tune:
- you will need a 12v barrel jack charger to power the DSG for reading. writing is done by OBD2, but real-reads must be done on the DSG itself. it's a quick job, i did mine in like less than 30mins

PM me if you have questions :)
 

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I'll add that I have malone stage 2 and DSG tune installed years ago. I'm actually happy with the ECU tune , it's got a nice power bump and doesn't produce that much soot on full acceleration.

However the DSG tune is a completely different story and I have to drive to what the transmission wants , not what I ask of it.

5th to 6th under hard acceleration even above 2400 rpm sometimes causes it to shift back and forward between 5th and 6th rapidly for a second or two like a machine gun which makes it feel like transmission is having a fit. I have to tip in the throttle to stop this happening.
Once a year I have to reset the adaptations because I starts doing funky changes.
 

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5th to 6th under hard acceleration even above 2400 rpm sometimes causes it to shift back and forward between 5th and 6th rapidly for a second or two like a machine gun which makes it feel like transmission is having a fit. I have to tip in the throttle to stop this happening.
yup, this brought back that memory. happened to me too
 

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I've got two devices I can use to flash the DSG ,just need the file edited now. I just don't have enough time and experience to adjust the tune.
 

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I've got two devices I can use to flash the DSG ,just need the file edited now. I just don't have enough time and experience to adjust the tune.
what devices?

if you got them from a specific tuner, theyre likely slave devices locked down to only that tuner's software
 

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I think my tranny is failing slowly. Pretty much since I bought the car @ 92k, shifting from R to D or just pulling away from a stop, it's grabbed hard occasionally and has gotten progressively more common. I have done a few DSG services without any improvement. Car now has 205k. So, what are my options? Anyone know where I can buy a new one to R&R or perhaps a good used one would be a better route? Do I need to worry too much about year differences? How hard is this job?

For more detailed information about what I experience, imagine pulling up to a stop light and coming to a complete stop, or even just near to it. Light turns green and if I press the throttle immediately at all, the transmission jolts into gear and away we go. I can only avoid this if I just let off the brake first, allowing the transmission to engage before I get on the throttle, but that takes a bit longer. I have changed my driving style to match this in order to preserve this tranny as long as I can, but it is getting worse. It does not like downshift at speeds lower than @ 40 either and does the same jolt. But I don't notice any issues at highway speeds. There is a noise at idle like a rattling that I seems to emanate from the transmission and I think I can feel it there as well. I believe it to be consistent with engine RPM, but I will have to get my son to help me confirm that. Engine runs amazing, and fuel mileage has remained consistent so I guess I'd rather it be a transmission issue at this point.

Any experience would be greatly appreciated!
This sounds like what my 2014 JSW was doing.
I had the dealer to the DSG fluid and filter and it's like new.
No delay or jerk taking off.
 
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