Yeah, thanks, lightflyer.According to your mileage you last reported you are only doing about 12.5k miles a year. Sounds like short trips and interrupted regens may be your issue. Do you actively monitor your regens with some tool? If not you should be as this would give you some good insight as to what is happening. VAGDPF will do this for you as an android app and a BT OBDII dongle. $20 the cheap way and maybe $80 the best way (difference in quality of the OBDII dongles cost). After the first dpf failure I would have been watching it closely from then on. Most states mandate 5% bio in their diesel now so I doubt that is an issue. IL IIRC mandates 20% and they aren't dropping like flys.
2010 Jetta TDI sedan at 178K. Had a CEL a bit before 178K, and my local diesel guy had p0401, p240f, and p2002 codes. The dealer inspected it on this information, and soot on the tail pipe, and is getting me a new DPF, along with a new turbo, under the Dieselgate warranty. I asked if the intake manifold or other items noted in threads like this were needed, and they said no.
I also get the frustration of some, about the car beginning to own the user. I wasn't a member here in '09, when I started looking at these new cars, but I DID look at reviews coming in from the various car mags, as well as POP Mechanics. Everyone was raving about the new TDI, and no mention of managing regens. The dealer I purchased from was also fairly vague about regens. When I had a dealer do the Dieselgate fix, they simply told me there would be more regens, but that I'd barely notice. No asking about how I would be driving the car or anything else (I have a 10 mile 1-way commute to work each day). I've enjoyed having the car for over 10 years now, and it's served us pretty well, on long road trips and locally, and I'm willing to help the car help itself, but I'm not keen on it "driving me".
Yes you did, and thanks! I was just interested to see what a dealer service group would say to that.I already showed you how to monitor your regen status. You should think about that first, before deleting. It is way cheaper and easier than a delete and legal and actually works well if you use it.
LOL. Got it. Needed to understand why you're pushing that VAGDPF, like you're some sales dude - sounds like you just think highly of it and want to help people. Problem is that VAGDPF is open source and not 100% reliable, especially if it's not available for all platforms and not legally approved for use from the manufacturer. Thanks for the reply!Heck no! I know nothing about coding. It is available on Google play for Android. Just recommending a good tool that I have been using. Just like VCDS is a great tool.
update on my previous post: dealer has had my vehicle since 5/12. i called today and was informed they replaced the mass airflow sensor, as well as the DPF and EGR. this is the third DPF and EGR replacement (see previous post of mine). i won't get my car back until tuesday.Adding to the thread, you all have been amazing and have really validated my fears and worries.
2013 Volkswagen Jetta Premium Sedan 2.0L TDI DIESEL M/T
I'll update after my appointment next week. Two managers at the dealer now have red flags raised and will help me get this resolved. I only have fears because my extended warranty runs out in May 2022. I doubt I'll put 20k on it before then and I also will need to do timing belt/water pump/therm/serpentine soon. If I need to sell this thing, I won't be douchey and sell it after the warranty period, needs to happen in the next 8 months. I really would love to keep it and make it a third vehicle, but not with DPFs going out 24-7... not a fan of how quickly crap roads bend the wheels easily either. Gas mileage and performance was amazing before the emissions fix - sadly, it's hard to swallow that I can't race past M5s anymore
- Leased brand new, only 10 miles on the car, on 3/16/2013
- Door tag shows it was manufactured in Mexico on 7/2012
- Used the dealer for all service until lease end
- Purchased the car during Dieselgate in June 2016 (my lease ended in March)
- Emissions fixes done on 11/14/2017, mileage 66,773
- Never had a single mechanical problem until 80k miles. Not even a broken door latch or electrical issue. I did have to replace my radiator fans and fan shroud in 9/2017, due to an accident issue (long story, not relevant though). Changed them out myself, was easy.
- First DPF blew out on 3/29/2019, mileage 82,799 (actual DPF light did illuminate on the dash)
- Dealer codes for this first blow out were p0401 and p2002
- I had a strange feeling it blew out again around January 2020, but was invalidated by the dealer and told it's probably a fuel filter (which I KNEW it was not). Changed the filter anyway and it wasn't the issue (hesitation on starting, hesitation driving)
- Stopped by an independent dealer and explained symptoms at the end of 5/2020. He scanned with VCDS and throttle body code showed, p0638. I figured out how to take it apart and clean it, didn't go past the temperature sensor though, only cleaned up the EGR area/butterfly.
- Brought it back to dealer on 11/4/2020 with the same problems I reported in January. All FOUR injectors replaced per VTA TSB. Dealer kept my car almost 10 days and never once gave an update, I had to call (I was livid). No codes thrown with the VCDS, mileage was 94,630
- Less than two weeks later, second DPF blow out on 11/23/2020. CEL had come on and I continued feeling hesitation in 3rd gear, which the dealer claimed is a regen cycle (which I disagreed with, but the manager at the dealer shared the same info, claiming it's the biodiesel here in Oregon - state law requires it for all diesel ). There were no VCDS codes entered on my paperwork, assumed the tech forgot to enter them. Mileage was 94,911
- On 4/9/2021, it was a real warm day here and I was idling for about 15-20 minutes in a wait line (ironically for an emissions test to renew my registration!). My temp warning light came on and I popped the hood to check antifreeze level (which was fine). Noticed immediately that my fans never turned on and KNEW something was wrong with the DPF, yet again. Hadn't heard a regen in a while but didn't check for tail pipe soot right away.
- While checking to make sure my radiator wasn't gummed up and that my fans weren't fried, I found small amounts of pooled oil on the intake and freaked out, as the injectors had just been replaced. Escalated to a manager at the dealer to look at it ASAP, given the injector replacement in Nov 2020
- Brought car in on 4/28/2021, mileage 97,071. They cleaned up the oil and idled it for an hour, no leaks anywhere on the entire engine nor on the manifold. Did cooling system check, also idled it for an hour. Tech claims the radiator fans kicked on - how is this possible? Thermostat opening at 87 degrees C, coolant reaching 95C to activate fans. What explains the issue on 4/9 then? Manager claims coolant low? How? I checked it myself, it was fine. He did say a sensor is in the fill tank and sometimes will read off, if only a MM low. Weird. I did actually add some antifreeze before I brought the car in (barely any though). I'm not convinced. Had them check my motor mounts, apparently they're ok, but swear the car bucks too much when I let off the gas. I've had the thing all its life! I know my car! They did a VCDS scan and only reports were low voltage codes. I found corrosion on my positive lead and cleaned it up, battery could be trash but was just replaced in 9/2018. It's closed, so cannot fill with water. Alternator is fine.
- On 4/30/2021, was driving and got a flat on one of my brand new pilot sports, then CEL comes on. What a great evening, I tell ya. Sure enough, after an attempt to get a different dealer to scan it (I was close by and figured I'd try, manager didn't seem comfortable doing it), I borrowed a scanner from O'Reilly's and checked it myself. p2002 code. Sure enough, I was correct. Third DPF blow out. Soot heavy in the tail pipe (I checked it, finally).
- I have an appointment on 5/12/2021. I escalated to the general manager, service manager knows me but has been OOO for a couple weeks. Luckily service manager is back now and will meet with me, I have really impressed this is NOT ok. DPFs should last 100,000 miles, at a minimum. Something is WAY wrong.
- All this only bothers me because of what OPs stated here - total misrepresentation on VW's part. Full lack of beta and QA testing, for a period of time, before releasing emission fixes (appeasing the public and feds and saving face). While I agree it is a customer's responsibility to know their own car and driving habits, I was a bit perturbed to see an unkind message previously on this post chain about blaming a customer, rather than the manufacturer. I've owned 1950s, 1960s, 1970s beetles, 1980s GTIs, and now this 2013 Jetta. Family and friends have owned diesel and gas Jettas (80s-2000s) and Passats. I started seeing better quality in VWs in the early 2000s, particularly with the diesels, so I figured I'd give a lease a shot. I absolutely love this car and am surprised I've had it for 8 years. I've owned 18 vehicles in the last 28 years (I enjoy learning, restoring, NOS, mechanical things).
I have a post-fix 2014 Jetta sportwagen. Purchased around 50k miles it has been in NUMEROUS times for emissions issues (mostly related to soot/ash and DPF issues). I've been impressed with they way I've been treated by my dealer as well as Volkswagen of America (actually was reimbursed for the DPF part - not labor - at a non-dealer shop). Dealer has provided me with a rental for three weeks one time when the part was back-ordered. So - I've been treated well. However, I still find myself - with alarming regularity - seeing the "CHECK ENGINE" come on and knowing I will be without my car for an indefinite period of time. NOTE - I have NEVER ONCE seen the REGEN dash light come on. The factory extended emissions warranty expires at 120k. The car has 110k now. I WILL be listing this for sale as I refuse to deal with this issue out-of-warranty. As much as I truly love the car, I don't have the patience to deal with it. I will try to go through my receipts over the past few years for your data collection.My 2012 Golf TDI is currently at the dealer getting the DPF replaced under the extended emissions warranty and after reading the forums here, it got me thinking: how many people have had their DPFs fail pre and post dieselgate “emissions fix” and at how many miles? It seems like there have been a ton of people on the forum with this happening and frankly I’m curious if it’s going to trigger another recall or if VW is going to do anything about it.
So, I’d love to do some data analysis and see if we can draw correlations for mileage, mileage since modification/fix, year, model, and transmission type. Yes, yes there are a million factors but I want to keep it simple. If you’ve had multiple fail, list mileage between and if you had one fail pre dieselgate I’d love that data too. I’ll start!
6 speed manual
65,100 miles total
26,200 miles post fix