Double checking my mileage math

DSIre

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My 2015 A3, purchased August 2016 and returned Jan with 26242 miles. Value at turn in (and on VW calculator) was $648 short of the online calculators and FTC tables despite my mileage clearly being in the 5000-10,000 adjusted range. (I kept a second account open to play with the numbers). I chalk it up to being second owner and estimated 2015 values.

No one can explain.
 

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This has been an interesting discussion, so I wanted to circle back around to it by adding the following language that appears after the compensation calculation on the final offer (emphasis mine):

"Please note that the total payment may change based on the updated mileage and the outstanding balance on your loan at the time of your buyback appointment. Continuing to drive your car an average of 12,500 per year (around 1,000 miles per month) or fewer will not reduce your compensation under the Class Action Settlement. Driving your car more than an average of 12,500 miles per year might reduce your compensation. You should continue to make any payments on your loan during this period. Volkswagen will not be responsible for any late payments or penalties associated with failure to make loan payments."

My takeaway from this, and from a recent discussion with a VW salesman is that you try to game the system by over or underestimating your mileage at your own risk.
 

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This was not gaming the system. It does not matter at all what mileage you give them. It will always be adjusted to the correct amount at buyback.

This is a case when the amount at buyback given exact mileage did not match the calculators. All came down to NADA estimates for 2015. I still cannot locate the exact tables they used.
 

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This was not gaming the system. It does not matter at all what mileage you give them. It will always be adjusted to the correct amount at buyback.

This is a case when the amount at buyback given exact mileage did not match the calculators. All came down to NADA estimates for 2015. I still cannot locate the exact tables they used.
Perhaps I misunderstood the posts, but I've read more than a couple instances of people entering "estimated" numbers into the portal at various points in the process. The only reason I can think of to not enter exactly what your odometer reads when you schedule your appointment is to try and outsmart the system.
 

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It's not gaming the system... it's taking something into account their system doesn't.... parked cars.
there's no way to tell their system you're not putting in 1k a month. I think some people who've parked and are scheduling a turnin in the future are trying to get it so when they show up, the vw mileage will match the car without them having to refigure it.
 

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It's not gaming the system... it's taking something into account their system doesn't.... parked cars.
there's no way to tell their system you're not putting in 1k a month. I think some people who've parked and are scheduling a turnin in the future are trying to get it so when they show up, the vw mileage will match the car without them having to refigure it.
If you show up with mileage that is less than what they anticipate based on the agreed to calculations, they will adjust your EFT accordingly or send you a check for the difference within 3 business days.

The system is set up to work a particular way, using an agreed to set of assumptions. If you attempt to compensate for something that the process does in fact take into account, you're gaming the system.
 

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It's not gaming the system... it's taking something into account their system doesn't.... parked cars.
there's no way to tell their system you're not putting in 1k a month. I think some people who've parked and are scheduling a turnin in the future are trying to get it so when they show up, the vw mileage will match the car without them having to refigure it.
When you entered your vehicle information into the claims website, you were asked for current mileage. Wasn't there also a question about how many miles you anticipated driving per month before buyback? I seem to recall there was.
 

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When you entered your vehicle information into the claims website, you were asked for current mileage. Wasn't there also a question about how many miles you anticipated driving per month before buyback? I seem to recall there was.
I printed it out and have it in front of me becasue I was trying to determine if we stopped driving her car or we pushed it out another month, would that make any difference.

DanB36 explained this earlier, but I'll go again.
The chart starts with your current mileage. Then for every month after Sept 2015 until your turn in, you multiple that times 1,042. You then subract that number from your current mileage and the result give you your turn in mileage bracket and value.

For my 2011 Golf:
Current mileage: 54036
Turn in Feb 2017: 17 months x 1042 = 17714
54036-17714=36322

35,001-40,000 bracket results in $1560 buyback adjustment.
 

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Hi all, I scheduled my buyback for 18th Feb and then got a good deal on a Honda Accord Sport SE earlier than I expected. It's strange not seeing anything from 45-60 mpg, but like everything else about the car so far.

The thread made me think though if I'd be better off pushing my buyback date to March now I'm able to stop driving the Jetta. Is anyone able to confirm if my thinking is right?

For my 2015 Jetta SE
Current mileage: 28508
Turn in Feb 2017: 17 months x 1042 = 17714
28508-17714=10794

Current mileage: 28508
Turn in March 2017: 18 months x 1042 = 18756
28508-18756=9752

I presume each month is a fresh start and not prorated per day?
 

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Yes, each month is a fresh bracket, no proration as was discussed in a previous thread.

Each month, each bracket adjusts, adding on 1,042 miles.

This may or may not move you into the next lower mileage/deduction bracket, assuming you're not accumulating excessive mileage.

Delaying your buyback appointment an additional 10 days absolutely makes sense.
 

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Mileage Thresholds

To follow up some good comments here with something that may be helpful (or confusing :confused:), the table below shows the odometer mileage thresholds where the payout changes based on buyback month. Whenever you hit a threshold, your buyback dollars will be reduced. For example, if your buyback appointment is later this month (February 2017), and your current odometer reading is 52,500, you might want to consider minimizing your miles so you don't reach the 52,715 threshold.
Keep in mind the following:

1) Since all the miles between thresholds are "free" (i.e., won't reduce your buyback amount), it makes sense to drive your vehicle until it's close to a threshold without reaching it. The mileages below are where the buyback value drops.

2) Since the settlement "locks in" vehicle depreciation to September 2015, additional miles are generally pretty cheap, especially compared with putting those miles on a new vehicle. But, hitting some of these thresholds can be expensive and they don't necessarily follow a linear formula. For example, a February buyback of a 2011 Audi A3 with 77,720 miles will net $570 less than the same vehicle with 77,700 miles. However, hitting the next threshold (82,715 miles) would cost "only" $270.

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and nothing in this post should be considered legal advice. Use this information at your own risk.

This table is for 2017. Note that the number in parentheses after each month is the number of months since September 2015 used in the calculation. There are thresholds beyond those in this table; generally, the cost of hitting the next threshold for high-mileage vehicles is less than for lower-mileage vehicles.

Feb(17)__Mar(18)__Apr(19)__May(20)__Jun(21)
_22715____23757____24799____25841____26883
_27715____28757____29799____30841____31883
_32715____33757____34799____35841____36883
_37715____38757____39799____40841____41883
_42715____43757____44799____45841____46883
_47715____48757____49799____50841____51883
_52715____53757____54799____55841____56883
_57715____58757____59799____60841____61883
_62715____63757____64799____65841____66883
_67715____68757____69799____70841____71883
_72715____73757____74799____75841____76883
_77715____78757____79799____80841____81883
_82715____83757____84799____85841____86883
_87715____88757____89799____90841____91883
_92715____93757____94799____95841____96883
_97715____98757____99799___100841___101883
102715___103757___104799___105841___106883
107715___108757___109799___110841___111883
112715___113757___114799___115841___116883
117715___118757___119799___120841___121883
122715___123757___124799___125841___126883
127715___128757___129799___130841___131883
132715___133757___134799___135841___136883
137715___138757___139799___140841___141883
142715___143757___144799___145841___146883
147715___148757___149799___150841___151883
152715___153757___154799___155841___156883
157715___158757___159799___160841___161883
162715___163757___164799___165841___166883
167715___168757___169799___170841___171883
172715___173757___174799___175841___176883
177715___178757___179799___180841___181883
 
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If you show up with mileage that is less than what they anticipate based on the agreed to calculations, they will adjust your EFT accordingly or send you a check for the difference within 3 business days.
I turned my car in on 02-07 and my mileage was under the estimate.

According to my calculations,.....the amount they paid me (electronic transfer),....was 700 less than my #'s.

Who do I contact to resolve this?
 

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I turned my car in on 02-07 and my mileage was under the estimate.

According to my calculations,.....the amount they paid me (electronic transfer),....was 700 less than my #'s.

Who do I contact to resolve this?
If you are under the estimate, they are supposed to adjust your EFT accordingly, or send you a supplementary check. Did their calculations match your calculations? Do you have documentation from the return showing this discrepancy?
 

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I turned my car in on 02-07 and my mileage was under the estimate.

According to my calculations,.....the amount they paid me (electronic transfer),....was 700 less than my #'s.

Who do I contact to resolve this?
First, this forum.

Post up your relevant info and let the forum double check your work.

If there's truly a discrepancy, class counsel is the next step.
 

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To follow up some good comments here with something that may be helpful (or confusing :confused:), the table below shows the odometer mileage thresholds where the payout changes based on buyback month...
Feb(17)__Mar(18)__Apr(19)__May(20)__Jun(21)
_22715____23757____24799____25841____26883
_27715____28757____29799____30841____31883
_32715____33757____34799____35841____36883
_37715____38757____39799____40841____41883
_42715____43757____44799____45841____46883
_47715____48757____49799____50841____51883
_52715____53757____54799____55841____56883
_57715____58757____59799____60841____61883
_62715____63757____64799____65841____66883
_67715____68757____69799____70841____71883
_72715____73757____74799____75841____76883
_77715____78757____79799____80841____81883
_82715____83757____84799____85841____86883
_87715____88757____89799____90841____91883
_92715____93757____94799____95841____96883
_97715____98757____99799___100841___101883
102715___103757___104799___105841___106883
107715___108757___109799___110841___111883
112715___113757___114799___115841___116883
117715___118757___119799___120841___121883
122715___123757___124799___125841___126883
127715___128757___129799___130841___131883
132715___133757___134799___135841___136883
137715___138757___139799___140841___141883
142715___143757___144799___145841___146883
147715___148757___149799___150841___151883
152715___153757___154799___155841___156883
157715___158757___159799___160841___161883
162715___163757___164799___165841___166883
167715___168757___169799___170841___171883
172715___173757___174799___175841___176883
177715___178757___179799___180841___181883
THANKS. I needed this and didn't really know I needed it.
 

Carphuntin_god

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i go for turn in in 1/2 hour. had sat on car for an extra month to get a 270 bump on the payment. just realized i'm 25 mi over the mark, so no bump. not sitting on it for another month to get the bump.
dang
 

Carphuntin_god

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Thanks... i've read some threads and got the gist of it. just seemed weird that nowhere in the process were we asked for the bank stuff. but i understand since the financial stuff is kept separate of the vw stuff.
 
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