DIY: DSG Transmission scheduled maintenance (40K miles interval)

skinnyb

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Alright, thanks, that's good to know. I am thinking I may try the Febi Bilstein. Any particular reason why you are planning to switch to OEM?
Mainly because it is available at idparts.com as an option. Their kits used to stock the Febi bilstien but now it is either Liquimoly or OEM. The first kit I ordered from them had 6 liters and you only need 5. I found a vendor to get 4 more to have a whole set for my next change. The Febi bilstien works fine and is reasonable priced. Won't using Liquimoly again, that stuff stinks terrible ugh :(
 

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Maxlife ATF is in no way anything like the VW fluid specified for the DSG.

in fact, if you look at the application chart, it says go to the VW dealer for the VW part number.

https://www.google.com/search?q=G-052-182-A2&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
I called Royal Purple today and they confirmed with me that there Max Atf is compatible with the 09A tiptronic transmission and even told me that it would take 2.7 quarts for a drain and re-fill and 7 quarts for a complete flush and re-fill. Also comparing the properties to the valvoline maxlife the Royal Purple had better numbers and it also seems that Royal Purple did more extensive testing according to the available info between the two.(sorry this did'nt format out the way I originally typed it) See comparisons below:

MAXLIFE, ROYAL PURPLE
VISCOSITY:
@ 100c 6.11, 7.5
@ 40c 28.18, 35.0
@-40c 8400, 7150

VISCOSITY INDEX: 173, 180

FLASH POINT: 202c, 226c

POUR POINT: -51c, -69f

SPECIFIC GRAVITY:
@ 60F 0.843, 0.84

FIRE: no info, 475f




How does that compare to the NAPA Altrom febi Bilstein numbers?


Flash point [°C] 200 (EN ISO 2592)

Density [g/ml] 0,85 (DIN 51757) (15°C / 59,0°F)

Viscosity 6,5 mm²/s (DIN 51562) (100°C)







or the Mobil Delvac ATF

Technical details

Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40ºC 39
cSt @ 100ºC 7.3
Brookfield Viscosity, ASTM D 5293
-cP @ -40ºC 8400
Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 168
Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -54
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 236
Density @15ºC kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.85
Color Red







Valvoline product support has confirmed their Maxlife ATF is recommended for the Audi/VW 09A, however you can't find a Valvoline shop to change it lol.

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Look under Audi/VW:

http://www.valvoline.com/valint/international/english/static_document/MaxLife_ATF_Rev_2013.08.08.pdf
 

meerschm

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The 09A is not a DSG Have you verified it is in your car by looking at the option codes?




(the 02E, however, is a DSG)

this thread is about the DSG.
 
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FXDL

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Question. If you only lift the car from the front, will more DSG lube drain out verses lifting all four corners???? I want to get the most out of the DSG as more new in the better!!
 
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Mrrogers1

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Question. If you only lift the car from the front, will more DSG lube drain out verses lifting all four corners???? I want to get the most out of the DSG as more new in the better!!
Technically, yes, but I wouldn't worry so much about it. You'll have plenty of clean, new oil in here not so sweat the little amount that wouldn't drain. Key is that you have it level for the snorkel to do it's job of properly leveling the fluid amount in the case.

I will consider using Amsoil's DCT for a DGS
I would simply say, it's your $4k error if it causes problem. I'd use the VW/Audi/Febi/Pentosin fluid and not substitute in the DSG. I know Amsoil just rolled out the DCT last year and I suppose, in it's defense, says it meets the OEM spec of TL 521 82, but I think most of us use the VW/Audi//Febi/Pentosin fluids.
 

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Question. If you only lift the car from the front, will more DSG lube drain out verses lifting all four corners???? I want to get the most out of the DSG as more new in the better!!
I think if you look, the drain plug is in the rear of the case so it really doesn't matter, it will all drain out, just give it some time to do so.

I will consider using Amsoil's DCT for a DGS
for what the cost is, I would only use time tested lubes in this expensive transmission. I am one to cheap out at times but would kill myself if I destroyed my DSG trying to save a few bucks or being the guinea pig for a new product
 

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Motul works nicer than oem one, using it on all my dsg cars, pretty happy with it.
I recommend it!
 
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edge130

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I did my DSG service awhile ago
I bought the all the items from a forum member who worked also at a dealship
The entire kit cost me $125 delivered
All genuine VW parts
No regrets spending that money.
I look at it this way, any job that is labor intensive, I don't want to skimp on parts. I don't want to do that labor intensive job twice.
 

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Output test without oil?

Have codes

17130 - Pressure Control Solenoid 1
P0746 - 012 - Implausible Signal or Stuck Off

Changed out 2 suspected solenoids from other tranny. Before filling with $70 worth of oil, can I run the diagnostic test (engine not running I think) with Vagcom (output test)?
 

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Have codes
17130 - Pressure Control Solenoid 1
P0746 - 012 - Implausible Signal or Stuck Off
Changed out 2 suspected solenoids from other tranny. Before filling with $70 worth of oil, can I run the diagnostic test (engine not running I think) with Vagcom (output test)?
should create your own thread or find one about solenoid replacement. this one is about fluid service. Are you sure the used solenoids were good? I have heard these older dsg's had mechatronics issues. not sire if this is the case here though.
 

DivineChaos

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Have codes
17130 - Pressure Control Solenoid 1
P0746 - 012 - Implausible Signal or Stuck Off
Changed out 2 suspected solenoids from other tranny. Before filling with $70 worth of oil, can I run the diagnostic test (engine not running I think) with Vagcom (output test)?
you can also check https://www.ross-tech.com/ and search your code. its a short to ground. Trace the wiring from solenoid 1 to unit and the actual solenoid using DVOM.

Verify chassis ground & to main control unit internally.

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index..._(DSG/02E). it seems like wires come off the brain in the trans. so its a bad unit. You can try to fix it yourself as this person did https://forums.ross-tech.com/showth...2e-code-hxu-p0746-please-help&highlight=P0746 see post #9 or replace the unit and have it coded.
 

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Well, this thread has removed apprehension about the difficulty of servicing the DSG trans. So, thanks for that.

On the flip side, I was hoping to find some people in here who had really high miles on theirs...that had not had proper service....

See, I purchased an 06 Jetta, that I thought had one of the famous, sealed unit automatics. This car has 215k miles, original owner, who the dealer told that it was an "unserviceable, sealed transmission." Therefore, they drove the car, and kept up on engine oil, oil filter, fuel filter, and air filter changes...as well as all other general maintenance. It does run, drive, shift, etc. just as it should.

The rest of the car is as clean as can be expected for a 215k like car, with immaculate interior, and still has the factory spare and full tool kit.

I'll be ordering the kit in the next few days, and will report back once the service is complete.
 

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Has anyone used an Arduino solution for this in place of Vag-Com. I’m getting ready to do this and $200 to $600 seems like a steep investment to read the temp of the transmission. I’ve already searched the forum.
 

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Has anyone used an Arduino solution for this in place of Vag-Com. I’m getting ready to do this and $200 to $600 seems like a steep investment to read the temp of the transmission. I’ve already searched the forum.
If your going to have it awhile. Get one. 230 for a genuine cable is small potatoes. You cannot intend on fixing these cars without vagcom
 

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Thanks for the input from both of you! I will definitely get one, just not right away. I just bought a 2014 Jetta with 70,000 on it, and I’m hoping to join the high mile club. I put 30,000 miles a year on right now so the maintenance intervals are going to come fast.
 

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Thanks for the input from both of you! I will definitely get one, just not right away. I just bought a 2014 Jetta with 70,000 on it, and I’m hoping to join the high mile club. I put 30,000 miles a year on right now so the maintenance intervals are going to come fast.
I put on 70k miles on my car. 50k just last year. It's so worth it. And cable can always be sold. I'll eventually get the Bluetooth one so I can link with my phone.
 
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