Dieselgate: Volkswagen to Spend Up to $14.7 Billion to Settle ...

What will you with your Dieselgate TDI

  • Turn it in for the cash.

    Votes: 319 67.6%
  • Bring it in for the "fix" and the cash.

    Votes: 81 17.2%
  • Do nothing but keep driving.

    Votes: 72 15.3%

  • Total voters
    472
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ericy

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Rehoboth Beach, DE
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2015 Golf TDI (wife's car)
My dealer was at least nice enough to ask me if I wanted it. Told them to throw it in the trunk. Its still there just in case I eventually sell the car to a moron who doesnt know the difference between fuel pumps.
If your HPFP grenades, and you don't have the thing installed, VW won't pay to fix - even if you are under warranty. Happened to someone here at TDIClub.

Yeah, it is a pain. But at this point, I have the car parked, and I probably won't need to buy fuel for it again.
 

kjclow

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Charlotte, NC
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2010 JSW TDI silver and black. 2017 Ram Ecodiesel dark red with brown and beige interior.
I wonder if owners of multiple eligible TDIs could stick with the settlement for some of their vehicles, and opt-out for 1 or more of the others.

More than happy with the settlement, concerning the cars I bought to flip, but I might be tempted to sue individually on my 2015.
Each car should be looked at individually, regardless of ownership. We are thinking early buyback on one and waiting until 2018 to make the final decision on the other. As long as I stay under the 12,000 miles a year, the buyback or fix compensation stays the same.
 

kjclow

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Charlotte, NC
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2010 JSW TDI silver and black. 2017 Ram Ecodiesel dark red with brown and beige interior.
I'm on a road trip in my Miata but I've seen a bunch of TDIs enroute. Unfortunately they didn't make a pit stop when I did as I wanted to ask them if they were going to take the buyback or fix.
I saw TDI wagen on RAGBRAI last week but never saw the owners. So, therefore, never got to talk to them about the whole situation.
 

bubbagumpshrimp

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Virginia
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'13 Jetta TDI
I managed to meet up with a forum member that was not only kind enough to scan my car...but tolerate some horrendously bad navigating on my part. The winning code is P0234 Boost Pressure Regulation. Looks like maybe stuck turbo vanes or faulty N75.

Address 01: Engine (CJA) Labels: 03L-906-022-CBE.clb
Part No SW: 03L 906 019 HE HW: 03L 907 309 AA
Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000SG 8174
Revision: 12H15--- Serial number:
Coding: 0050072
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 75E1EE161C971EEA81-8020

2 Faults Found:
000564 - Boost Pressure Regulation
P0234 - 000 - Limit Exceeded (Overboost Condition) - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 11100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 88135 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2016.08.04
Time: 06:32:00

Freeze Frame:
RPM: 3289 /min
Speed: 54.0 km/h
Load: 98.4 %
Pressure: 2347.4 mbar
Pressure: 2843.5 mbar
Lambda: 0.8 %
Lambda: 51.3 %

000564 - Boost Pressure Regulation
P0234 - 001 - Limit Exceeded (Overboost Condition) - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 11100001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 88135 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2016.08.04
Time: 06:32:00

Freeze Frame:
RPM: 3289 /min
Speed: 54.0 km/h
Load: 98.4 %
Pressure: 2347.4 mbar
Pressure: 2843.5 mbar
Lambda: 0.8 %
Lambda: 51.3 %

Readiness: 1 1 0 0 0
 
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cracklepop

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california
TDI
2009 Jetta sedan, manual trans.
My 09 Jetta just let me know the right rear brake pads are gone. Les Schwab down the road knows I'm going to be giving the car up so I asked them how "cheap" they could turn the rotors with new pads....$500. Wow, that's not going to happen since, I'm giving the car back in roughly 3 months. So I'll be replacing the rear pads this weekend, damn it! At least it's an inexpensive repair.
 

bubbagumpshrimp

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Virginia
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'13 Jetta TDI
My 09 Jetta just let me know the right rear brake pads are gone. Les Schwab down the road knows I'm going to be giving the car up so I asked them how "cheap" they could turn the rotors with new pads....$500. Wow, that's not going to happen since, I'm giving the car back in roughly 3 months. So I'll be replacing the rear pads this weekend, damn it! At least it's an inexpensive repair.
Nah. Should just let em ride. Brakes are superfluous/overrated.:D
 

turbobrick240

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Joined
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Location
maine
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2011 vw golf tdi(gone to greener pastures), 2001 ford f250 powerstroke
My 09 Jetta just let me know the right rear brake pads are gone. Les Schwab down the road knows I'm going to be giving the car up so I asked them how "cheap" they could turn the rotors with new pads....$500. Wow, that's not going to happen since, I'm giving the car back in roughly 3 months. So I'll be replacing the rear pads this weekend, damn it! At least it's an inexpensive repair.
It's almost never worth getting rotors turned these days- imo. I replaced my rear pads before any scoring of the rotors and just slapped new pads on. Good as new. If they were scored/warped, new rotors would have gone on.
 

JBell

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It's almost never worth getting rotors turned these days- imo. I replaced my rear pads before any scoring of the rotors and just slapped new pads on. Good as new. If they were scored/warped, new rotors would have gone on.


That's pretty much my same policy.


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Jeta Life

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Location
NJ & North Pocono
TDI
2009 Jetta TDI DSG Auto
I managed to meet up with a forum member that was not only kind enough to scan my car...but tolerate some horrendously bad navigating on my part. The winning code is P0234 Boost Pressure Regulation. Looks like maybe stuck turbo vanes or faulty N75.
Same thing happened to me around the holidays last year. Mine was accompanied by P00AF, P0234, two codes I got not sure if exactly same as yours but if it is, you're looking at a bad VNT Turbo actuator.
Had mine replaced, there is a repair kit, if you do a search under those codes on this forum there is probably a DIY too but it is not an easy one.
At least it's not a blown turbo, hopefully. Not a good condition to drive with especially in passing situations or uphill. Those were my symptoms. Thing would still run and get up to highway speeds but leak in boost pressure resulted in loss of turbo boost when needed, felt unsafe for me so I had it done ASAP.
 

da_jokker

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Location
Sacramento, CA
TDI
2009 Jetta
Hyundai and Mazda don't use timing belts anymore :)

As for the breaks...just install new pads. Don't worry about the rotors. But you will have to do it youself because a brake shop won't skimp.
 

2015vwgolfdiesel

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Location
Oklahoma
TDI
2015 VW Golf S DSG Silver
While it's good that a fix for VW's newest affected cars is finally in sight, it's unfortunate that the customers who've lived with cheating cars the longest will end up waiting even longer before they're made to comply with environmental regulations. Of course, this could all be moot if those customers opt to have their cars bought back by VW, but surely there are owners that'd just like to keep their cars, and have them comply.
vw is going to mess this up big time.

GEN 3 is a 2 step fix. :mad:

GEN 1 and 2 -- there may never be a fix

Pushing the 85 % compliance father off into the future is a risk on just a collapse of everything.

Almost like a planned "THANG" to get more (all) 2 L off the road

A week ago I was thinking of a buy back in Fall 2018 ~~ May-might just start kicking tires for a well discounted 2017 gasser.

Do not trust the financial strength of vw going forward -- vw may be strong enough to make it -- but IF we have horrible world "THANGS" :eek:
 

sandydeb

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NJ
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2014 Passat SE 6MT Black
Do not trust the financial strength of vw going forward -- vw may be strong enough to make it -- but IF we have horrible world "THANGS" :eek:
VW is essentially an extended arm of the German government. They are way more embedded there than GM could even dream of here. They are not going down.
 

bubbagumpshrimp

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Virginia
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'13 Jetta TDI
Same thing happened to me around the holidays last year. Mine was accompanied by P00AF, P0234, two codes I got not sure if exactly same as yours but if it is, you're looking at a bad VNT Turbo actuator.
Had mine replaced, there is a repair kit, if you do a search under those codes on this forum there is probably a DIY too but it is not an easy one.
At least it's not a blown turbo, hopefully. Not a good condition to drive with especially in passing situations or uphill. Those were my symptoms. Thing would still run and get up to highway speeds but leak in boost pressure resulted in loss of turbo boost when needed, felt unsafe for me so I had it done ASAP.
I could be wrong, but some perusing around here makes it look like the addition of this code could point towards a different cause than my issue.

My issue is excess boost pressure. I'm curious though...as one of the troubleshooting steps (the first mentioned) lists checking for boost leaks. You'd think (at least I would think) that if there was a leak in boost pressure...it would not cause an excessive boost trouble code.

When I'm able...I'll get out and see if any hoses are disconnected. It would be great if it's something like that.

On the replacement vehicle note...a domestic vehicle (can get parts pretty much anywhere) is looking good right about now, lol.
 

Lobo56

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Location
NJ
TDI
2012 Jetta TDI
Why IN the garage??? Stick that sucker in the street and garage the NEW car!!
LOL my Jetta is parked way out in a horse paddock, go out once a week and drive it around to charge the battery.
 

speedrye

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Location
Central NC
TDI
13 JSW DSG, 14 JSW DSG
LOL my Jetta is parked way out in a horse paddock, go out once a week and drive it around to charge the battery.
I thought about just disconnecting the battery and doing this, but I'd end up with squirrels or rats eating the wiring harness or something. I think I'm safer to drive mine. If nothing else, put some kind of deterrent in the engine bay for wire-hungry pests.
 

Cayman

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Bothell, WA
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Jetta
VW is essentially an extended arm of the German government. They are way more embedded there than GM could even dream of here. They are not going down.
Please don't quote him in your reply, you're encouraging him to rant endlessly about nothing and I have to see his rhetoric. Better yet do the same as I have done and add him to your ignore list.
 

2015vwgolfdiesel

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Oklahoma
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2015 VW Golf S DSG Silver
VW is essentially an extended arm of the German government. They are way more embedded there than GM could even dream of here. They are not going down.
Hi sandydeb:)

Only a Henny Penny "The sky is falling" point of view -- from me:rolleyes:

.... all was well in 1929 ~~ until the sky did fall:eek:

..... Was it during that time the the Germany gov was printing 1,000,000,000,000,000 MARK BANK NOTES ?

.... Did it take a child's wagon load of BANK NOTES to get a loaf of bread:confused:

.... If we discount the past, are we doomed to repeat it?

..... If I take the $25,275 in October 2016 ~~ not October 2018, the worst I will have lost is 24 months of free driving.
 

JSWTDI09

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2009 JSW TDI (gone but not forgotten)
VW is essentially an extended arm of the German government. They are way more embedded there than GM could even dream of here. They are not going down.
This is not exactly true. I believe that there is relatively little connection between VWAG and the German Federal Government. However, it is true that one (of 16) German States (where Wolfsburg is located) is heavily invested in the company. This is the only big connection between VWAG and any German Government entity. It may also be possible that other State's pension plans could have some VW stock, but they are not a significant owner.

Have Fun!

Don
 

aja8888

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Texas..RETIRED 12/31/17
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This is not exactly true. I believe that there is relatively little connection between VWAG and the German Federal Government. However, it is true that one (of 16) German States (where Wolfsburg is located) is heavily invested in the company. This is the only big connection between VWAG and any German Government entity. It may also be possible that other State's pension plans could have some VW stock, but they are not a significant owner.

Have Fun!

Don
If memory serves me right, the German state of Lower Saxony owns upwards of 20% of WV's common stock.
 

bubbagumpshrimp

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If memory serves me right, the German state of Lower Saxony owns upwards of 20% of WV's common stock.
You're correct. In terms of influencing VW...the biggest deal for Lower Saxony is not the 20% of common stock ownership though, but the 20% voting rights.

Sure...Germany does not own every cent of Volkswagen, but they are the second largest voting shareholder (behind Porsche at 50.73%). That puts Germany in a position to where they could motivate/steer VAG towards a particular course of action, if they so desired.
 

FVWVWF

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Common Stocks:confused:


During the German hyperinflation after WW 1, a single American Penny was equal to 42,000,000,000 Marks
Not sure what you're trying to say...
By the time VW showed up the Reichschmark to USD was about 2:1.
 
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JSWTDI09

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If memory serves me right, the German state of Lower Saxony owns upwards of 20% of WV's common stock.
Lower Saxony is the one German State (out of 16) that I mentioned above.

You're correct. In terms of influencing VW...the biggest deal for Lower Saxony is not the 20% of common stock ownership though, but the 20% voting rights.

Sure...Germany does not own every cent of Volkswagen, but they are the second largest voting shareholder (behind Porsche at 50.73%). That puts Germany in a position to where they could motivate/steer VAG towards a particular course of action, if they so desired.
Again "Germany" does not own any of VW. One State in Germany does. This would be like saying that The State of Michigan owned part of GM. In fact it was the US Federal Government that bailed out GM not the State of Michigan. In Germany it is one state that is heavily invested in VW - NOT the country of Germany.

Have Fun!

Don
 

2015vwgolfdiesel

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By the time VW showed up the Reichschmark to USD was about 2:1.

The depression was years before vw was a glimmer in the eyes of the auto founding fathers.

The German hyperinflation was years before that.

.... at the end of that paper hanging bank note "THANG" the money was used ( in some cases) as fuel for heat
 

uncle fishhead

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I thought about just disconnecting the battery and doing this, but I'd end up with squirrels or rats eating the wiring harness or something. I think I'm safer to drive mine. If nothing else, put some kind of deterrent in the engine bay for wire-hungry pests.
This isn't paranoia. At least around my house, the squirrels are out to get me. I had a Nissan Pickup as a 3rd vehicle, parked outside my house. Got in one day and "nothing".

Turns out there was a nest of baby squirrels under the hood. And those oversized rats at my wiring harness. Took me a week, probably 20-30 hours of labor, to solder everything back again. It's a real puzzle when the manufacturer uses the same color code for more than one wire.

Just last year, they ate part of the wiring under my solar panels. About the same amount of time to fix the wiring and install screening to keep them out. And now I need to replace the roof (hail), so I'll get to spend more time or money to move the screens off and then back when the roofing is done.

Good chance I'll buy a replacement vehicle soon. If so, the Golf will go into the shed. No squirrels in there, but I suspect there are mice. Hopefully mice won't eat anything that makes the car run.
 

MrSprdSheet

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VW is essentially an extended arm of the German government. They are way more embedded there than GM could even dream of here. They are not going down.
It doesn't take direct governmental share ownership, to be an "arm". To boot, a recent article on ECB quantitative easing included buying VW's bonds.
http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-06-10/buying-junk-debt-shows-ecb-is-getting-desperate

This could be its own thread. Another recent event, was a vote over the dividend and what its outcome could have meant in diluting Lower Saxony's (the worker's) power. (didn't happen)
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-board-lower-saxony-idUSKCN0YB22S

VW is more aligned with its workers, than is GM. No question in my mind. That may bother some more than others. Part of the reason I suspect a migration to alternative drive trains is happening so slowly is because many of the cars built elsewhere are still getting their engines from Germany (like I believe our Mexican TDIs). Those workers are involved in what they make.....and the ramifications much simpler electrification would have towards fewer parts, etc.

I don't doubt fighting emissions regulations is tied to preserving jobs over there.
 
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