Dieselgate, The Canadian Edition

[Reactorface]

sour grapes

I guess I am jealous of the people on my street, who have no hesitation in financing $60k pickup trucks over 84 months. I remember reading that this is the modal finance term now.
Here is the depreciation you pay on an F-150.

like Æsop says "sour grapes"

 

[ElectricMayhem]

like Æsop says "sour grapes"

Not that Homer. The one who said "Son, if you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now quiet! They're about to announce the lottery numbers."

(I just think it is a little questionable to borrow a lot of money and pay interest on a heavily depreciating asset. Honest men can disagree with me on that.)

 

[uchu]

In the objection doc. it is asked if either "you or your lawyer" intend to appear at the hearing in T.O on March 31st .? What is the merit of doing this?

( https://www.vwcanadasettlement.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Objection_Form.pdf)

I'm not really sure why they added that line in the form...I guess they had to? Legal requirement?

I know that, as an interested party, it's within your rights to attend the hearing if you can and choose to do it.

 

[Lucsar]

Question about this latest " Emissions Recall 23Q3"

Gents, not sure if I'm reading too much into this latest update from VWCanadaSettlement; So originally this is supposed to be a two stage modification/fix for the Gen 3 vehicles. If a person chooses this first update being available as we speak(ECM software update) does that automatically lock him into choosing the option where you would get half of the restitution money once settlement is approved(march 31 or after) and then the other half of the restitution money when the other modification Phase 2 comes sometime in 2018 ? I am currently leasing my vehicle a 2015 TDI Passat. I've had some major changes in employment and lifestyle, it no longer is the right vehicle for me. Selecting the early lease termination is probably the best option for me. Sorry if my questions are somewhat confusing. Just don't want to get caught up in the legal mumbo jumbo and exclude myself out of any benefits coming from the settlement.

Thanks for the help, it's always appreciated !!

 

[LorneH]

I hear that to Opt-Out for the Canadian settlement is the way to go. A class action firm in Saskatchewan is handling that. I think the deadline to opt-out is March 3, 2017.

 

[mxs]

Really? Based on what? ..... So another lawyer firm says ... "Opt-out folks we can get you more money out of VW than the current offering?" ... and people are supposed to believe that? (Like how much more and how much longer it will take are irrelevant variables, right??).

BTW, there will be probably a ton of firms eager to say the same thing .... to attract $$ for their own pockets. Snake oil .... in my view for sure, but if many people opt-out, I guess better for the people who just want to settle as quickly as possible, as the lineup will be shorter.

 

[Bajszi]

I hear that to Opt-Out for the Canadian settlement is the way to go. A class action firm in Saskatchewan is handling that. I think the deadline to opt-out is March 3, 2017.

I live in SK, any more info on that?

 

[Bajszi]

When did this stage1 ECM update come out?

Before this winter I had to get a warranty fix on my 2011 Golf SW. The exhaust flap was sticking. They told me there was an ECM update. Asked them what was the update about and the only thing they told me was that it was an update something with the exhaust system. I immediately asked whether or not it was related to the Diesel scandal and they said no. I had to go with the update though. Otherwise, the warranty would've been done. I don't have a full warranty on the vehicle, but any extended warranty would've been in risk. I went with it and ever since then my car is not as fast and agile. Max RPM is decreased too even in sport mode.

Is this related to that first ECM update?

 

[KrisA]

I hear that to Opt-Out for the Canadian settlement is the way to go. A class action firm in Saskatchewan is handling that. I think the deadline to opt-out is March 3, 2017.

That's probably the Merchant Law Group. I'd steer clear of them, everyone in town says they are snakes. My guess is they got left out of the class based on the allegations surrounding them and the residential school settlement and are now doing their normal ambulance chasing.

 

[ddorrer]

I am not sure that a leased vehicle is eligible for a restitution payment; perhaps a prorated one at best. The other subject mentioned in the US threads was that a leased vehicle restitution payment is fully taxable as the leasee doesn't own the car, so they have no basis for claiming a loss in value. They turn it in at the end of the lease versus selling it at a loss.

 

[crashtested]

That's probably the Merchant Law Group. I'd steer clear of them, everyone in town says they are snakes. My guess is they got left out of the class based on the allegations surrounding them and the residential school settlement and are now doing their normal ambulance chasing.

+1000 on that!

 

[Lucsar]

I am not sure that a leased vehicle is eligible for a restitution payment; perhaps a prorated one at best. The other subject mentioned in the US threads was that a leased vehicle restitution payment is fully taxable as the leasee doesn't own the car, so they have no basis for claiming a loss in value. They turn it in at the end of the lease versus selling it at a loss.

Yes, leased vehicles are eligible for a " no early termination fee" return to VW. Also, a "lessee " would receive basically half of what an owner would receive if choosing the return option. When I looked at the court documents that were mailed out over a month ago a "2015 Passat" lessee would receive $3,500.00CAD, if they chose the option of just returning the vehicle and terminating the lease. If they want to go with the modification fix and continue to stay in the lease, they would receive half of the money($1,750.00) upon completion of stage 1 fix, then the other half of the $3,500.00 upon completion of stage 2 modification/fix coming sometime in 2018. As far as taxes go, I don't have any idea how theses buybacks and early lease terminations are going to impact Canadians.

 

[Lucsar]

That's probably the Merchant Law Group. I'd steer clear of them, everyone in town says they are snakes. My guess is they got left out of the class based on the allegations surrounding them and the residential school settlement and are now doing their normal ambulance chasing.

Yes, could very well be them. I thought I read the Judge who us looking after the Canadian Settlement Justice Balaboa ??(spelling sorry) slapped this firm Merchant with a $40,000.00 fine for emails sent to class members to "opt out of settlement " and sign with him giving him exclusive control in representing you in a seperate lawsuit against VW. Pretty sad if there still trying to persuade people.....

 

[uchu]

Gents, not sure if I'm reading too much into this latest update from VWCanadaSettlement; So originally this is supposed to be a two stage modification/fix for the Gen 3 vehicles. If a person chooses this first update being available as we speak(ECM software update) does that automatically lock him into choosing the option where you would get half of the restitution money once settlement is approved(march 31 or after) and then the other half of the restitution money when the other modification Phase 2 comes sometime in 2018 ? I am currently leasing my vehicle a 2015 TDI Passat. I've had some major changes in employment and lifestyle, it no longer is the right vehicle for me. Selecting the early lease termination is probably the best option for me. Sorry if my questions are somewhat confusing. Just don't want to get caught up in the legal mumbo jumbo and exclude myself out of any benefits coming from the settlement.

Thanks for the help, it's always appreciated !!

I have a Gen 2 vehicle, so I'm not sure what info is in this letter that Generation 3 TDI owners are receiving about the ECM update.

If you go by what it's proposed in the settlement, nobody gets locked up into anything if the updated gets done before the official roll out of the settlement program. This still needs to get approved (April at the earliest, depending on the hearing scheduled for late March).

If you want further clarification, I'd suggest to contact the 1-800 number that they have in the settlement admin website.

 

[uchu]

By the way, they updated the vwsettlement website with a link to a CBB estimator

https://cbbestimator.vwcanadasettlement.ca/VW_WebServices/vw/index

You need to enter VIN#, odometer reading and Province of registration.

I tried it and it just gives back a number, with a bunch of disclaimers.

 

[habsfan]

By the way, they updated the vwsettlement website with a link to a CBB estimator

https://cbbestimator.vwcanadasettlement.ca/VW_WebServices/vw/index

You need to enter VIN#, odometer reading and Province of registration.

I tried it and it just gives back a number, with a bunch of disclaimers.

I tried it, and it gave me $25100 for a low mileage (less than 30,000 km after 21 months) 2015 highline wagon. The only option that I did not have was auto transmission I went for all of the other options including HID lights, upgraded stereo and navigation. The Exhibit 5 however suggests that the same vehicle is worth up to $29214. Am I to believe that auto transmission knocked my value down by more than $4K?

 

[Torqlvr]

Holy crap, a VW value estimator!

 

[BigWorm]

^I've used that calculator and got...
2012 Volkswagen Passat Comfortline with 144,697km
$15,875
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Question: Is that all I can expect or does VW add more on top of it?

 

[NSTDI]

By the way, they updated the vwsettlement website with a link to a CBB estimator

https://cbbestimator.vwcanadasettlement.ca/VW_WebServices/vw/index

You need to enter VIN#, odometer reading and Province of registration.

I tried it and it just gives back a number, with a bunch of disclaimers.

If you go to the VW settlement site, this estimator is not there, why is that?

It asks for your current mileage, not your Sep 2015 mileage, so if its not a hoax, it must do the calculation back to 2015?

 

[NSTDI]

BTW, damages are not income taxable in Canada IMHO. Any "extra" money we receive from VW are just a reimbursement of a reduced value.

Don

 

[Armby]

I tried it with a range of km to see how the mileage affects the result.
2013 Golf Comfortline 6sp

50K km $17,050
65K km $16,200
70K km $16,200
72.5K km $15,050
75K km $15,050
85K km $15,050
95K km $15,050
100K km $13,600
105K km $13,600

I am currently at 74,500 km so my current number is $15,050 which is quite a bit lower than I was expecting

It is evident that the mileage steps are large (large km range) and large $ difference when you change range. That may cause some surprises when people get their offers based on updated mileage.

The way I understand this, the mileage ranges should shift up over time (meaning same dollars for higher mileage) as we go through the buy-back period. Ie waiting until the end of 2018 may give you a better result if you are near the bottom of a range and your mileage hasn't changed much (or a worse result if you are near the top of a range and put on more than the average kms).

 

[uchu]

^I've used that calculator and got...
2012 Volkswagen Passat Comfortline with 144,697km
$15,875
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Question: Is that all I can expect or does VW add more on top of it?

Remember that this is an estimate. The disclaimers in there point to it may be different from the actual offer, should the settlement get approved and based in the millage on the date that of the buy back offer is accepted, if you decide to take that option. On top of that, you'll get damage compensation ($5,250, based on your model's vehicle and according to the proposed settlement).

 

[BigWorm]

Remember that this is an estimate. The disclaimers in there point to it may be different from the actual offer, should the settlement get approved and based in the millage on the date that of the buy back offer is accepted, if you decide to take that option. On top of that, you'll get damage compensation ($5,250, based on your model's vehicle and according to the proposed settlement).

THX good looking out

 

[NSTDI]

It ain't over till its over.

Don

 

[uchu]

I tried it with a range of km to see how the mileage affects the result.
2013 Golf Comfortline 6sp

50K km $17,050
65K km $16,200
70K km $16,200
72.5K km $15,050
75K km $15,050
85K km $15,050
95K km $15,050
100K km $13,600
105K km $13,600

I am currently at 74,500 km so my current number is $15,050 which is quite a bit lower than I was expecting

It is evident that the mileage steps are large (large km range) and large $ difference when you change range. That may cause some surprises when people get their offers based on updated mileage.

The way I understand this, the mileage ranges should shift up over time (meaning same dollars for higher mileage) as we go through the buy-back period. Ie waiting until the end of 2018 may give you a better result if you are near the bottom of a range and your mileage hasn't changed much (or a worse result if you are near the top of a range and put on more than the average kms).

Good point. Following this logic, it encourages people to drive as little as possible, if buy back is the ultimate goal. Even if you decide to keep it and take the fixes, there's still a lot of unknowns (especially for gen 1 vehicles) regarding this, so people going this way could ultimately ending being forced to take a buy back.

 

[uchu]

If you go to the VW settlement site, this estimator is not there, why is that?

It asks for your current mileage, not your Sep 2015 mileage, so if its not a hoax, it must do the calculation back to 2015?

Did you find the link? It's right below the Vehicle Look Up button.

Remember that, according to their disclaimer, this estimate already has in consideration the millage, calculated back to Sep 2015. Of course, this will change based on the actual millage at the time of the acceptance of the buy back offer.

 

[Lister]

Remember that this is an estimate. The disclaimers in there point to it may be different from the actual offer, should the settlement get approved and based in the millage on the date that of the buy back offer is accepted, if you decide to take that option. On top of that, you'll get damage compensation ($5,250, based on your model's vehicle and according to the proposed settlement).

So if my 2013 TDI Jetta Highline estimated out at $19,300, I will also get the $5100 on top of the $19,300?

 

[Armby]

If you go to the VW settlement site, this estimator is not there, why is that?

It asks for your current mileage, not your Sep 2015 mileage, so if its not a hoax, it must do the calculation back to 2015?

The link is there, near the top.

You put in your current mileage. It uses that to determine what range you are in and applies that to sept 2015 CBB values. Think of it as prorating your mileage back to 2015. The ranges will change over time (I think) to accommodate the fact the everyone puts on mileage but that shouldn't affect the value if you are putting on average miles.

 

[b1jackson]

So if my 2013 TDI Jetta Highline estimated out at $19,300, I will also get the $5100 on top of the $19,300?

Yep, that's the way I understand it. Funny thing is way back when when the US calculator came out, I used the closest US state as if I bought the car there and was going under the US program and the value came out pretty darn close to the Cdn. values.

 

[Lister]

Yep, that's the way I understand it. Funny thing is way back when when the US calculator came out, I used the closest US state as if I bought the car there and was going under the US program and the value came out pretty darn close to the Cdn. values.

Nice!

Thanks for the clarification.