Dieselgate, The Canadian Edition

[crashtested]

 

[Scratchy101]

The status of the fix should be irrelevant, for two reasons ....

1) Its proving very hard for them to come up with a fix especially for 09-13 or whenever they went back to urea injection. I read it as, there will not be one ...

2) Vast majority of people in the US chose the buyback

Exactly my point.
People in the US are taking the buyback because the status of a fix is unknown.
Just take the fix out of the equation and give us our money now, or wait until it is a known entity before making a decision with 2 options.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...pproval-of-emissions-deal-without-fix-in-hand

It's been over a year and all the VW engineers working on a fix have so far failed.
What makes them think they can actually fix this thing without adding an SCR system to the vehicles with huge additional technical complexity and expense.

 

[1sTDI]

Congratulations VW! You no longer disappoint your customers.

F@ck VW. I've gone from buying a traded-in TDI, to a gas Sportswagen, to anything not made by VW.

Right now I would take a sh!t brown 1982 Lada as an exchange.`

Ok deep breath - it's just a car, it's just a car.

I believe Lada called it "gold". It was the only new car my Dad ever bought...

 

[GigaFire]

Someone posted the CBC piece to Reddit, and of course the neo-leftists there think we're all idiots because we "See our cars as investments" and we shouldn't be complaining since this is a "non-issue" in their eyes. I've been getting the same flak from people looking at this on the outside, telling me that I should keep driving my TDI. I commute to work in an area where the drivers are notoriously bad, do they have money for me if I get hit? Do they have money for me if my DPF or HPFP grenade and warranty refuses to cover it? That's why my car is parked.

 

[Steve Ferrous]

I believe Lada called it "gold".

My buddy in college had one. He pulled all of the stickers off and affixed a Fiat badge. We made fun of him, but he at least had a brand new car; I had a '72 VW Beetle that was painted with a brush.

 

[Scratchy101]

The Canadian Guberment has finally decided to get involved, so this thing may drag out for several more years now.....
http://performancedrive.com.au/volkswagen-canada-investigation-dieselgate-1901/

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Maybe this is not new "news"
http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?nid=1017319
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[FVWVWF]

Is it really VW's fault this is dragging on or the lawyers arguing with them?

 

[Airpizz6]

Is it really VW's fault this is dragging on or the lawyers arguing with them?

And some of the blame has to go with those objecting to the settlement down here in the US. Now the judge has to look those over and that will take another week. 25 Oct is now the date for the settlement in the US.

 

[Nebelwerfer]

Kind of figured this would happen. Tried the Canadian Facebook group and either it imploded from all the special snowflakes crying about the delay, or I got banned.

Oh well, I'll carry on driving my car getting awesome mileage.

Regards

 

[GoFaster]

Is it really VW's fault this is dragging on or the lawyers arguing with them?

It's in VW's interest to drag it out, and since Transport Canada / Environment Canada are relatively spineless compared to EPA and various other branches of the US government, Transport Canada / Environment Canada has essentially allowed VW in Canada to delay this until after the US settlement.

 

[VangelisTDI]

Has anyone ever found out why the Ontario and Quebec governments placed a gag order on this?

In the US everything was out in the open and here....it's like we're in a communist country and the government has decided (for our own good) that we shouldn't know what's going on! Why?

 

[tomakathestig]

I assume the negotiations are between Transport Canada / Environment Canadaand VW, not the ambulance chasing lawyers? correct me if I am wrong......

If so the crappy update from today makes sense. let the gavel fall at the EPA and the heroes in our government can say "OK" and look like they actually did something. As opposed to "duhhh, we will blindly follow the EPA decision even though we don't know the details".

At least I hope this is the case.

 

[BigWorm]

LMFAO....

VW does it again.

The gag order is bull**** and shouldn't exist. We are the "client's" so we should be informed on whats going on. VW will pay off the lawyers than blame the Canadian government for not getting involved...

But now nobody can't complain about VW's communication because they sent out an "UPDATE e-mail" stating that an update will be updated when they update the update so expect an update when they will update when there is an update...

PURE SPIT IN OUR FACES.... update lol

 

[tobianogreg]

Has anyone ever found out why the Ontario and Quebec governments placed a gag order on this?

In the US everything was out in the open and here....it's like we're in a communist country and the government has decided (for our own good) that we shouldn't know what's going on! Why?

The speculation is that Canadian "trade in" values will be higher than in the US, which makes sense because we pay more, and hence the gag order.

 

[tobianogreg]

Re TDI Canada Facebook: glad it's Graeme aka Bahamut. Hehe, looks like a hornets nest. Good job buddy!

 

[wlred]

I live in Toronto but I have a US model 2012 Passat. Would I still get compensated (eventually) with other Canadians?

 

[b1jackson]

Re TDI Canada Facebook: glad it's Graeme aka Bahamut. Hehe, looks like a hornets nest. Good job buddy!

My gawd...I had to leave that group as even with my FB notifications turned off, stuff was getting through.

First there would be some one angrily posting saying they want to set up a protest barrel fire at a dealership.

Next post..."hey guys...anyone selling some good used tires?"

I pity the admins

 

[Threecube]

My gawd...I had to leave that group as even with my FB notifications turned off, stuff was getting through.
First there would be some one angrily posting saying they want to set up a protest barrel fire at a dealership.
Next post..."hey guys...anyone selling some good used tires?"
I pity the admins

It's tough because everyone has their own opinion about the situation and a lot of people are really frustrated with VW. We have tried to at least remove posts trying to sell or buy stuff and delete comments that are attacking other people. Some cases banning people. Our main goal with the Facebook group was to help keep people informed and answer any questions they might have about the scandal which I think we have accomplished. We honestly didn't expect the group to get so huge. Some days it gets crazy moderating and adding new people to the group (like yesterday). But it's worth it.

 

[Armby]

BNN has published an article on the non-progress on the Canadian side of this mess.
http://www.bnn.ca/canada-s-vw-owners-in-the-dark-as-u-s-settlement-talks-advance-1.588032
Not much new but BNN is asking the Ontario Ministry of the Attorney General to confirm that a court ordered gag is indeed an place and if so who requested it.

In the meantime there is no update as of now on the website of the class lawyers (you know those guys that are supposed to be representing us .... that we never hear from). Website is at https://www.volkswagenclassaction.com/.

 

[ecode]

Apparently Boudreau Law emailed the group of people that they represent (they are part of the consortium) and in that email it said that significant progress was made towards a fair and just outcome to the class action. They (the consortium) asked to request another few weeks of patience and they anticipate an end in sight.

So there's that....

 

[FVWVWF]

Apparently Boudreau Law emailed the group of people that they represent (they are part of the consortium) and in that email it said that significant progress was made towards a fair and just outcome to the class action. They (the consortium) asked to request another few weeks of patience and they anticipate an end in sight.

So there's that....

There are those rumors....and then there are rumors that they need more time to do a complete 180....so it really could go either way. I cant wait for that day...regardless of the outcome...at least we'll know where we stand and what to do.

 

[KARKS]

I have been reading a lot of comments from others “are you looking for a pay day”, “do you really care about the NOx or environment” “What are you all whining about”…etc. It is a pretty broad brush to be painting the people in the different groups.

Personally it is all about the overall deception that has put a Noxious cloud over my car totally crippling my ability to get fair market value for a trade or private sale. I like many others here take very good care of my car to ensure longevity and peak resale value when the time comes to move on. My car is not an investment, it is a tool I need daily and my tools need to perform consistently and when I want a new tool, I would hope to get good value for what I am selling.

My needs for a vehicle changed, but I am stuck due to the actions of VW. There is zero fault of my own for the value of my car crashing down to the bottom. The blame completely falls onto the greedy backs of VW who deceived each and every one of us to get our hard earned money. This type of action is unacceptable on its own. And to add insult to the entire issue, is that the of VW actions are harming the environment and the health of Canadians. We don’t know the long term effects that of the increase pollutants will cause us and our families who are around our vehicles… My daughter has asthma, it is not in any of our families lineage. But this car has been around since the day she was born. It is a long shot that my car has anything to do with her asthma, but it does make you think.

So I find those who are posting with the above initial comments to ignorant of the overall issues and everyone’s individual situations. I am not in financial hardship or must have a new vehicle, so I will wait this out. But there are others that have much different situations and need a different vehicle or out of their financing for many reasons. I really hope those with the raw point of view of us never get into a hardship that is compounded by the greed of a company.

VW, Lawyers and the Government need to start protecting the consumers. VW already admitted to their fraudulent actions and they are guilty, why is there any need to drag this out longer? The longest part of Class Actions is the finding of guilt and if the company did something wrong. Get to the settlement and we can all move on in our own ways (stay with VW, move to another company, keep the car, etc…). I do hope these delays are only because Canadians are getting a better deal than the US, and they want the US deal to be finalized and approved before the Canadian announcement.

 

[bluetoy]

These delays are strictly for the lawyers to line their pockets. As soon as there was a class action launched everything vw was planning (or not) came to a halt. Thank the lawyers for the delays. I for one don't care about the outcome. I like my TDI and I will keep it unless they offer me enough money to buy a '15 TDI. No one has even asked "what if I don't want a fix can I just carry on like nothing has happened?" in Ontario a new car doesn't need an etest for 7 years after it's model year. Our TDI's will pass a current etest anyhow. Are they going to change the laws to apply to only a very small number of consumers? I will happily carry on getting avg 5.5l/100 kms. My lawn mower makes more pollution than my TDI.

 

[Scratchy101]

I like my TDI and I will keep it unless they offer me enough money to buy a '15 TDI. No one has even asked "what if I don't want a fix can I just carry on like nothing has happened?" in Ontario a new car doesn't need an etest for 7 years after it's model year. Our TDI's will pass a current etest anyhow. Are they going to change the laws to apply to only a very small number of consumers?

That's just IT, we don't know anything about a potential fix since they have not been able to make one that passes muster.
The question becomes, will you keep your TDI if a fix negatively affects your mileage, torque or HP?
And the second part to that, as you mentioned, is how will they enforce that the fix has been applied to your car?

There are too many unknowns to make any kind of informed decision at this point.

 

[Bajszi]

Hi guys,

Is there any procedure where I should register my vehicle? I bought mine used about 6 months before this scandal came out to public. I registered to the vw email list with my vin number, but I haven't heard anything since then.

 

[tobianogreg]

Hi guys,
I registered to the vw email list with my vin number, but I haven't heard anything since then.

Situation normal.

If you feel so inclined you could register with the class action but no guarantees you'll be any the wiser for it.

It feels like sh_t's almost happening. Hang tight.

 

[mxs]

These delays are strictly for the lawyers to line their pockets.

Probably ... with 19 different lawyer firms involved ... yeah. I hope that the judge will order VW to pay their shares, not taking it on the consumers.

No one has even asked "what if I don't want a fix can I just carry on like nothing has happened?" in Ontario a new car doesn't need an etest for 7 years after it's model year.

Well what else is there as an option? If they don't know how to fix it, the government will either close their eye on those cars or make you to take it off the road (no emission test pass no sticker). There's no other route to take ... well there's, make you take the deal, but you will refuse and litigate? Probably not go that far ... unless you have nothing better to do.

 

[Bajszi]

(no emission test pass no sticker).

Saskatchewan doesn't have emission tests, you are safe here lol

 

[weasel]

 

[charles fitton]

Just for morbid curiosity, does anyone have a list of the "trade in values" that apply to our cars as per the Yankee plan?

many thanks