Dieselgate, The Canadian Edition

[Tornado TDI]

I think the poster meant to say "VW owner/fan site". In which case we all are one of those.

Thank you. I guess I just assumed people would understand what I meant.

 

[tobianogreg]

i'm guessing this will add an extra wrinkle into the settlement talks in both countries. Didn't vw very clearly say that there were no cheat devices in the 3.0 tdi?

sop..

 

[tobianogreg]

Consumer Reports (US):

Consumers who receive an emissions fix—if one is approved by regulators—should have a period of time to return a modified car if they are unsatisfied with how it operates. This would give them a second chance to take the buyback or lease termination. It would help VW get more consumers to participate in the recall by protecting them from being stuck with a car that has worse performance or fuel economy than it did before.​

Pretty much takes any fix option off the table. "But, but zat vill cost us even more!"

http://www.consumerreports.org/volkswagen-emissions/volkswagen-diesel-settlement-needs-these-modifications/

 

[Tornado TDI]

Hey look man, we're all not happy...I dont think anyone is.
But to answer your question...why would some of us do this again?
Unless I was a seriously conscious person that cared about big corporations screwing people and wanted to "do something" by not buying their products...Id have to drop all of them.

Sadly that's not far from the truth.
In the last year alone Mitsubishi, Hyundai and Kia have all been caught lying to their customers about the fuel economy of their cars so they could sell more of them.
McDonald's is a great example of a company that lies all the time.
I don't eat at McDonalds because the food they show on their TV ads is in no way related to the food they sell at their stores.

 

[Threecube]

Hey at least a McDonald's cheeseburger doesn't cost $30,000 and you don't have to stare at it every day in your driveway.

 

[Tornado TDI]

Consumer Reports (US):
Consumers who receive an emissions fix—if one is approved by regulators—should have a period of time to return a modified car if they are unsatisfied with how it operates. This would give them a second chance to take the buyback or lease termination. It would help VW get more consumers to participate in the recall by protecting them from being stuck with a car that has worse performance or fuel economy than it did before.​

This would be the smart and fair thing for them to do, but, if you're going to wait for them to do that you might want to pack a lunch.

 

[raymondtrudeau]

I have a friend who has a 2002 vw tdi golf with 580000 km on it.. anyways he wants to buy a 2012 golf tdi from the vw dealer
with all this going on is it a good idea to purchase it now or wait?

 

[GigaFire]

In one last blaze of glory, I took my Golf to a local autocross event before I park it. Turbo lag and the not fully off traction control didn't help, but it did net me 47th place out of 80 cars, and tied for 2nd in class...of 3 cars.

 

[CV-GSW]

Volkswagen TD-LIE

 

[NSTDI]

Volkswagen TD-LIE

Good bumper sticker for the trunk lid, after that big chrome VW.

 

[FreshBlather]

"Hey at least a McDonald's cheeseburger doesn't cost $30,000"

Yes, a McDonald's cheeseburger doesn't cost $30k. But, eating one of those things will cause unsightly belly fat and excess emissions the likes of which might cause the EPA to look in your direction. (along with everyone else)

 

[joey003]

I'm going to be parking my Jetta in a few weeks. But it's due for an oil change close to that time. Is it worth doing an oil service before parking if it sits for a few months? I wouldn't bother if a buyback happens, but if it weren't to happen and I sell it, anything wrong with the car sitting for so long needing the oil replaced?

 

[tobianogreg]

I don't think so Joey. I store stuff for the winter and don't change the oil until spring.

 

[iantryinit]

Hey look man, we're all not happy...I dont think anyone is.
But to answer your question...why would some of us do this again?
Unless I was a seriously conscious person that cared about big corporations screwing people and wanted to "do something" by not buying their products...Id have to drop all of them.
McDonalds has been giving me the shaft for years and I still buy and eat their plastic burgers, hundreds of companies put toxic chemicals into our foods and we knowingly still buy them and feed it to our children, Nike factories is or was a fan of child labor and I still buy their shoes....the list goes on and on.
I just dont see why I personally feel the need to single out VW.

Yup I would consider buying one again. That is if the economy is similar and reliability is good. No I don't like being lied to but it happens in all our day to day lives and just hope VW mans up and makes me a happy VW customer again.
PS I'm sure my F250 spews more pollutants on start up than my Passat does all day and I still drive that.

 

[Bahamut]

Hey at least a McDonald's cheeseburger doesn't cost $30,000 and you don't have to stare at it every day in your driveway.

Question is, would you WANT to stare at a McDonald's cheesburger sitting in your driveway? I certainly would't.

 

[Bahamut]

Yes, a McDonald's cheeseburger doesn't cost $30k. But, eating one of those things will cause unsightly belly fat and excess emissions the likes of which might cause the EPA to look in your direction. (along with everyone else)

Best...quote...of...the...day

 

[Bahamut]

Consumer Reports (US):

Consumers who receive an emissions fix—if one is approved by regulators—should have a period of time to return a modified car if they are unsatisfied with how it operates. This would give them a second chance to take the buyback or lease termination. It would help VW get more consumers to participate in the recall by protecting them from being stuck with a car that has worse performance or fuel economy than it did before.​

Pretty much takes any fix option off the table. "But, but zat vill cost us even more!"

http://www.consumerreports.org/volk...-diesel-settlement-needs-these-modifications/

I think this would be a very good move for VW: give customers the option to get the vehicle fixed. If you don't like the fix, then hand in the car. My only worry is that they would try to present this as the ONLY initial option to customers, thereby making everyone take the fix to start with, and then trade in if not happy with it.

Probably wouldn't happen that way, but I might just be getting a bit paranoid.

 

[Scratchy101]

I'm going to be parking my Jetta in a few weeks. But it's due for an oil change close to that time. Is it worth doing an oil service before parking if it sits for a few months? I wouldn't bother if a buyback happens, but if it weren't to happen and I sell it, anything wrong with the car sitting for so long needing the oil replaced?

Sounds like Buyback won't happen until Spring 2017 at the earliest.
Not sure about synthetic oil, but regular oil breaks down and becomes acidic from the products of combustion. In my air-cooled days I had an engine sit for a few years with dirty oil and it corroded some of the engine case.

Our oil gets diluted with unburnt diesel fuel during regens so it might be better to change it.
Better safe than sorry and change it before storing....

 

[Tornado TDI]

Not sure about synthetic oil, but regular oil breaks down and becomes acidic from the products of combustion. In my air-cooled days I had an engine sit for a few years with dirty oil and it corroded some of the engine case.
Our oil gets diluted with unburnt diesel fuel during regens so it might be better to change it.
Better safe than sorry and change it before storing....

Thanks for the info.
I have to get the oil changed in my GTI before I put it away this fall.
I only drive it about 500 Km a year now, but was wondering how long it was safe to keep the same oil in it time wise.
I had the first oil change done on my TDI but that was because a year had passed and not because the Kms were up.

 

[joey003]

I don't think so Joey. I store stuff for the winter and don't change the oil until spring.

Sounds like Buyback won't happen until Spring 2017 at the earliest.
Not sure about synthetic oil, but regular oil breaks down and becomes acidic from the products of combustion. In my air-cooled days I had an engine sit for a few years with dirty oil and it corroded some of the engine case.

Our oil gets diluted with unburnt diesel fuel during regens so it might be better to change it.
Better safe than sorry and change it before storing....

Thanks for the replies. Good point, if buyback does happen it likely won't be until 2017. I do have 2 of the dealer prepaid mastercards that I haven't used, maybe better to do an oil service and be safe. Which reminds me, I need to see if I can get some form of credit from a dealer for these cards before they expire.

 

[Bahamut]

Thanks for the replies. Good point, if buyback does happen it likely won't be until 2017. I do have 2 of the dealer prepaid mastercards that I haven't used, maybe better to do an oil service and be safe. Which reminds me, I need to see if I can get some form of credit from a dealer for these cards before they expire.

I've heard that, in some cases, the dealer will put them on an account for a customer so that they can be used at a later date. Maybe this would be an option. I'd do this too if I hadn't spent most if it already .

 

[joey003]

I've heard that, in some cases, the dealer will put them on an account for a customer so that they can be used at a later date. Maybe this would be an option. I'd do this too if I hadn't spent most if it already .

I gotta try that. It can't hurt them at all. They get $ up front. Worst case scenario someone actually spends all that credit.

 

[Bahamut]

Yeah, I just read it somewhere online, so take the advice with a grain of salt. Still, it can't hurt to try. I'm sure some VW dealerships are hurting for money right now so they might just say yes.

 

[Mike_04GolfTDI]

What's happening in Mexico with TDIs? Anybody know?

They share a border with the USA, just like us, but they have European models like the Amarok TDI.

Is the cheating an issue in Mexico?

 

[Bahamut]

What's happening in Mexico with TDIs? Anybody know?

They share a border with the USA, just like us, but they have European models like the Amarok TDI.

Is the cheating an issue in Mexico?

Good question: I've heard absolutely nothing anywhere in the media about Mexico. It all seems to be focused primarily on the US, Europe, Canada, and to a lesser extent S. Korea. Haven't heard much about anyone else.

 

[tobianogreg]

Mexico got out front and dinged VW for $8.9 mill.

Italy too.

 

[Scratchy101]

Thanks for the replies. Good point, if buyback does happen it likely won't be until 2017. I do have 2 of the dealer prepaid mastercards that I haven't used, maybe better to do an oil service and be safe. Which reminds me, I need to see if I can get some form of credit from a dealer for these cards before they expire.

I bought rear tires for my wife's 350Z with the dealer card ($503).
I bought $500 of Amazon.ca gift card credits for my account with the MC.
Only thing was I could only load $50 at a time since Amazon does not request the verification code on the back of the card and MC won't approve more than that without the code. At least the money won't expire (Jan 2017 for me) now.

 

[Scratchy101]

What's happening in Mexico with TDIs? Anybody know?

They share a border with the USA, just like us, but they have European models like the Amarok TDI.

Is the cheating an issue in Mexico?

I believe they have lower emission standards (as well as safety standards) and that is why they are able to sell European models in Central America.
I saw some nice Toyota "Prado" diesel trucks when I was in Costa Rica in 2007.
I would donate my left kidney for an Amarok.

Volkswagen Amarok 3.0 TDI 224
Engine size 3.0 V6 diesel
Price from £27,000 (approx)
Power 221bhp
Torque 405lb ft
0-62mph 7.9sec
Top speed 120mph
Fuel economy (official combined) 37.1mpg (est)
CO2/BIK band 199g/km/37% (est)

 

[Bahamut]

I believe they have lower emission standards (as well as safety standards) and that is why they are able to sell European models in Central America.
I saw some nice Toyota "Prado" diesel trucks when I was in Costa Rica in 2007.
I would donate my left kidney for an Amarok.

Volkswagen Amarok 3.0 TDI 224
Engine size 3.0 V6 diesel
Price from £27,000 (approx)
Power 221bhp
Torque 405lb ft
0-62mph 7.9sec
Top speed 120mph
Fuel economy (official combined) 37.1mpg (est)
CO2/BIK band 199g/km/37% (est)

Those are some pretty solid performance numbers for a mid-size pickup truck. I have to admit: I really like the look of the Amarok. It would be interesting to see what pricepoint they would offer the truck for if it came to the U.S./Canada (I know it won't but its interesting to think about).

 

[joey003]

I bought rear tires for my wife's 350Z with the dealer card ($503).
I bought $500 of Amazon.ca gift card credits for my account with the MC.
Only thing was I could only load $50 at a time since Amazon does not request the verification code on the back of the card and MC won't approve more than that without the code. At least the money won't expire (Jan 2017 for me) now.

Thanks. Mine expire Jan as well. I have two TDIs so ended up with 1000 x 2. The regular cards I was able to use quite easily, but have nearly $1000 worth for VW. Solid idea with the Amazon.ca gift cards too.

Those are some pretty solid performance numbers for a mid-size pickup truck. I have to admit: I really like the look of the Amarok. It would be interesting to see what pricepoint they would offer the truck for if it came to the U.S./Canada (I know it won't but its interesting to think about).

Agreed. I don't really have a need for a truck, but I'd be tempted to buy the Amarok if it was here.