Dieselgate, The Canadian Edition

Bahamut

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Sadly, .ai files aren't recognized :(. Ah well, I'll post a link, and I am writing out general instructions. We'll all be able to help each other out on any technical issues. I just ordered 3 for myself.
 

Bahamut

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The link is live. Thanks guys! Definitely thanks Scratchy101 for the idea of VistaPrint: never would've thought of that myself.
 

Mike_04GolfTDI

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I wonder how badly the Canadian government wants these cars fixed or off the road? Do they care?

In the US, the EPA definitely wants them off the road. That's why they're being so tough on VW and forcing buybacks and/or huge compensation to owners.

Without massive compensation for owners, I'd say most people would just keep driving their TDI, whether out of necessity or because they like it. For those who didn't want it anymore, they'd sell it to someone else who would keep it on the road as long as possible. So one way or another, they would remain in operation for many years, if owners aren't given a very compelling reason to give them up.

In Canada, if the lawyers end up taking all the money, leaving owners with a toque and coupon for $5 off their next oil change, nobody will hand over their car, so the cars will remain on the road. So getting back to my original point, how much does the government care if that happens? I'd say the outcome hinges on that. If the Canadian government isn't involved in the settlement process, demanding that a deal be worked out that results in most of these cars being fixed or taken off the road, then I'd say our deal isn't going to be anything like the US deal.

In the US the government wanted 85% compliance, which of course required giving bags of money to owners. I wonder if the Canadian government is making similar demands.
 
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mjmurf

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In the US the government wanted 85% compliance, which of course required giving bags of money to owners. I wonder if the Canadian government is making similar demands.
I'm going to say no. This government will happily grab it's ankles and sell out it's citizens for big corporations. The only hope is to create enough media embarrassment for VW and the government if nothing is forthcoming.
 

radoroc

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Who's brilliant idea was it to have a hush hush court order? I don't care who's responsible for this, it's absolutely ridiculous. Transparency would go a long way here, now they look even more foolish looking like they are hiding something. I wish we had an organization like the EPA to look out for us as well.
 

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We should also post the picture on every post VW does on their facebook, advertising their wack azz events....


BUNCH OF BAMBOOZLING ASS HATS!
 

Bahamut

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Odd, I'm sure I uploaded the AI file when I tested it. Anyways, sounds like you got it working.
The file itself works fine: its just Facebook that doesn't like it as an image file as I tried to put it in an album. But yeah, its working and people like it: I ordered 3 for myself today.
 

Pachena

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In the fall of 2013 we took possession of our new Passat Diesel Highline. Didn't realize how bad the Nav system was until a few days later. Felt duped, right from the beginning. Nonetheless, the car is comfortable and has been trouble free.
I have the same car -- but purchased a year earlier (fall of 2012). Also think the Nav System/ Entertainment package was a waste of money. Complained about it since day one and was told that that the slowness I was experiencing would be fixed with a firmware upgrade. Well that hasn't happened. Now I'm just told that it was a slow processor, and I can't install the newer CarPlay compatible units because of wiring issues.
I was reminded of the nav/entertainment issues almost every time I got in the vehicle -- slow system start times meant that I could rarely use the backup camera, let alone use the Nav system. Other than that, it's been a great car -- until I learned I was a victim of fraud. Now (even though I don't have a plan for a replacement) I can't wait to get rid of the thing.
So, September 15, 2015 and Dieselgate arrives.
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Eleven months is, "contempt". It appears from here that the only commitment is to save VW's shareholders.
Yup. I personally don't care if VW survives this. If there's still money left after everyone affected is treated fairly, great. If not, at least let those affected divide the assets.
Simultaneously, I don't know if many owners are aware, but there is a war going on between numerous Law Firms across the country the purpose of which is snatch the right to represent our interests in the class action.
I'll have to do some googling on this. Thanks.
That brings me to what I want and what I think is due to us all. The "tort", or the act of fraud and deception that induced us to purchase our diesel cars took place on the day we purchased the vehicle. Had we known on that date (for us, September, 2013) that VW was attempting to defraud us, we would have passed on the purchase. That we did buy the car on that date, to my mind suggests that VW should refund our purchase price paid on that day. That we have used the car since we purchased it (through chicanery and deception) and that use arises from deception it should not be subject to depreciation.
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On the current US settlement affixing September 15, 2015 as a date to value the cars, based upon the historical value of cars supposedly unaffected by the scandal at that time, I suggest that fixing the date of liability for the fraud on the date it was publicly announced is incorrect and highly favours VW.
Exactly. I was defrauded the day I bought my car. The fraud was uncovered Sept 15, 2015. Yup, I've used the car (although it's only got 30K on it). I HAVE used it much less since discovering it was not nearly as "clean" as the car I bought. The longer this plays out, the more I should be compensated for THAT as well! As I said, I'd hand them the keys as soon as able.
People are comparing this to other buy-backs -- which have historically been because of inability to fix defects, or other such issues. Our case though is one in which VW intentionally sold us defective vehicles. This shouldn't be compared to previous buy-backs.
YES, I am angry. I don't like being duped. And I hate, even more, the secrecy and apparent contempt that appears to be emanating especially from VW, but also from the money grubbers hoping to hook a nice fat fee.
How do you feel?
On some levels I expect lawyers to do that. It's how they get paid. I didn't expect VW to do what they did. While I am reluctant to say "never", but I can't see myself every purchasing another VW. I simply can't trust what they say. I would, at a minimum, insist on a "double my purchase price back" guarantee against any of these sorts of fraud again.
Then there's the taxes -- which at first I thought would be above and beyond. But, for me it's a real cost. We paid cash for the vehicle and planned on keeping it for years (our last few vehicles we purchased new and kept for 12, 12 and 22 years). And now (if/when I get a fair settlement), I'll have to pay that amount (taxes) all over again -- way before I would have anticipated it.
 
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Pachena

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Why do people want out of their vehicles so badly anyway?
Because I was sold misrepresented goods. I want my money back. It's that simple.
Do you not like the car?
Car has been great.
Nav/Bluetooth/Entertainment system has been a major pain since day 1. I can replace it with a newer Pioneer Carplay system for about $1400. That was my plan, because other than that the car was great (performance, economy, comfort).
Now I hate looking at it.
Are you genuinely concerned about the small amount of extra pollution?
Somewhat. But more so about the lies, and deception. I paid extra for (what I thought was) a cleaner vehicle.
Are you worried about how the "fix" might affect performance?
Yes. How it might affect economy AND performance.
Do you have a big loan that you've grown weary of paying and you want an easy way out?
Paid cash. Intention was to drive into the ground (like every other car we bought new). I have no idea what I'll replace it with.
Would you be happy if the Canadian negotiations resulted in VW paying a fine to the government, NOT modifying the cars, and allowing owners to just carry on driving their cars as if nothing happened?
Nope. All cars should be fixed so as to be compliant. VW should have to pay a (significant) fine per vehicle per year until each is compliant.
 

Ursadorable

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Sent off my eLetter to Justin
Dear Prime Minister,

I write to you today as a concerned citizen, and owner of a fraudulent Volkswagon product.

Volkswagon has admitted to fraudulently programming their diesel vehicles to pass regulations when tested, but under daily driving emit 40 times the legally allowed levels of nitrogen oxide (NOx).

The Canadian government has been completely silent as to what their going to do with these vehicles, and more so how Volkswagon should handle these vehicles.

As Canadian guildlines for NOx emissions mirror that Environmenal Protection Agency in the United States, and Volkswagon has already admitted to fraud and subject to buying back these illegal vehicles, why has the Canadian government not stepped up for Canadians and forced Volkswagon to abide by the same terms?

We've been repeatedly been told by Volkswagon that whatever outcome was decided in the US, Canadians would be offered the same package. Yet, Volkswagon and Class Action lawyers are squabbling over what measures should be taken when this is obviously the domain of the federal gov't environmental laws, and justice department for breaking multiple federal laws.

Now we are being told by Volkswagon, who's recent tone has changed, that "settlement details coming out of the U.S. court proceeding may not apply to Canada."

Thank you for your time.

Sincerly,
<name redacted>
 

Ursadorable

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That's a good idea! The 2 mistakes are the misspelling of Volkswagen and it's up to 40 times.
:eek:
Oh well, got my point across, I hope.

Nobody else noticed, so good eye. Which means my decal design is wrong then as well lol. Always been used to spelling it wagon.

Updated decal design up.. and fixed shortened twitter link as well.

Both http://tinyurl.com/smokeswagon and http://tinyurl.com/smokeswagen point to the same twitter page.

Same link for the file, but just incase.. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3I9ewH_0kHBOUh0Mm04UC1adzA/view?usp=sharing
 

tobianogreg

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Ursa, had to use Das Fraud for the Twitter header photo. Sgt. Shultz's head gets in the way of the text, qr code. many thanks.
 
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Jordaney

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In the fall of 2013 we took possession of our new Passat Diesel Highline. Didn't realize how bad the Nav system was until a few days later. Felt duped, right from the beginning. Nonetheless, the car is comfortable and has been trouble free.

So, September 15, 2015 and Dieselgate arrives. Almost a year later, against a background of "there, there", and the disingenuous, "you have our commitment to communicate as soon as possible", we scrabble for any scrap of news, or rumour. Watching as proceedings south of our border appear to be heading towards settlement. While absolutely nothing appears to be happening here. Maria Stenstroem, 11 months is not, "ASAP". A couple of weeks to a couple of months is "ASAP". Eleven months is, "contempt". It appears from here that the only commitment is to save VW's shareholders.

Even as VW Canada offered a peace offering of $1000CDN as per the example in the USA, i felt disrespected and discounted. $1kCDN is NOT the same as $1kUS. We did NOT buy our car discounted. Rather, the car costs more in Canada as a result of the $US/$CDN exchange. And because we pay more for the cars, that exchange difference should have raised the offer to approximately $1300CDN.

Simultaneously, I don't know if many owners are aware, but there is a war going on between numerous Law Firms across the country the purpose of which is snatch the right to represent our interests in the class action. Some of those firms have been treated to the ire of the court in Ontario, but without much real discipline. Nonetheless, any war is to VW's advantage. The courts agonizingly slow process has aided in this protracted mess.

That brings me to what I want and what I think is due to us all. The "tort", or the act of fraud and deception that induced us to purchase our diesel cars took place on the day we purchased the vehicle. Had we known on that date (for us, September, 2013) that VW was attempting to defraud us, we would have passed on the purchase. That we did buy the car on that date, to my mind suggests that VW should refund our purchase price paid on that day. That we have used the car since we purchased it (through chicanery and deception) and that use arises from deception it should not be subject to depreciation. The US settlement requires VW to scrap the cars that they buy back. Therefore, the car has no resale value. Without resale value it cannot have a depreciated value. Or simply, no value at all. To my mind, VW's culpability should require them to pay the full purchase price as no value can be ascribed to depreciation as a result of their reckless and fraudulent action on the purchase date. Really, the fraud took place on the day of purchase, not some arbitrarily chosen point of time later that satisfies VW’s shareholders.

On the current US settlement affixing September 15, 2015 as a date to value the cars, based upon the historical value of cars supposedly unaffected by the scandal at that time, I suggest that fixing the date of liability for the fraud on the date it was publicly announced is incorrect and highly favours VW. Even though there are unanswered questions about when VW executive management knew about the deception, VW was caught and informed by a group of independent testers, a full year earlier. US environmental authorities were informed at that same time. At a MINIMUM, any settlement, if not agreed to the date of purchase, should at least be calculated to that date sometime in 2014.

Instead of trying to grab the money, it would have been nice if the lawyers fighting for control of the class action lawsuit could have been forthcoming and told the owners, if not what range of remedy could be permitted by Canadian courts for the fraud, at least to advise publicly what affect Canadian law (given to the two different legal systems) would make to a settlement like that being offered in the USA.

YES, I am angry. I don't like being duped. And I hate, even more, the secrecy and apparent contempt that appears to be emanating especially from VW, but also from the money grubbers hoping to hook a nice fat fee.

How do you feel?
EXACTLY AS YOU. I couldn't have said it better myself. Unfortunately most people on these threads, as I read them, don't mind being lied to and cheated on. They don't care about right and wrong. All they care about is losing a car that saves them a few bucks a day on fuel and because of that thinking VW will never go out of their way to help us. If I was a VW exec, I would just read some of these threads and know that most of us are just suckers for punishment and are willing to bend over again. I'm appalled at the number of people that are even considering anything VW. #neveragainvw.
 

FVWVWF

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I thought it was a TDI site.
There's a disclaimer at the bottom of each page that, in part, declares "TDIClub Online Ltd (TDIClub.com) is not affiliated with the VWoA or VWAG ..."
I think the poster meant to say "VW owner/fan site". In which case we all are one of those.
 

Jordaney

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I think the poster meant to say "VW owner/fan site". In which case we all are one of those.
Yes I was a fan as well but once they cheated on me once, the f***'s off.
That's the problem with most people, they think that theses major corporations care about them. All they care about is money and that's why they keep doing what they do. Unless you start boycotting them and hitting them where it hurts it will never stop. Did I love my car? Absolutely. Am I going to find anything with similar power, fuel efficiency, drive ability? most likely not. Did they commit fraud? Yes and admitted to it. Did cars value plunge? Big time and in my case I bought a lemon and it's costing me more than the fuel savings I'm going to get in the life of this car. Am I pissed off? Damn right. Why would I do this again?
 

FVWVWF

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Damn right. Why would I do this again?
Hey look man, we're all not happy...I dont think anyone is.
But to answer your question...why would some of us do this again?
Unless I was a seriously conscious person that cared about big corporations screwing people and wanted to "do something" by not buying their products...Id have to drop all of them.
McDonalds has been giving me the shaft for years and I still buy and eat their plastic burgers, hundreds of companies put toxic chemicals into our foods and we knowingly still buy them and feed it to our children, Nike factories is or was a fan of child labor and I still buy their shoes....the list goes on and on.
I just dont see why I personally feel the need to single out VW.
 

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Starting to include @JustinTrudeau @Puglaas (Minister of Justice) @EC_minister (Minister of environment) in my tweets, while keeping it respectful. Basically saying stuff like 15 month (min) is unacceptable, next I will point out in April VW publicly said we would mirror the US, etc.
 

Jordaney

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Hey look man, we're all not happy...I dont think anyone is.
But to answer your question...why would some of us do this again?
Unless I was a seriously conscious person that cared about big corporations screwing people and wanted to "do something" by not buying their products...Id have to drop all of them.
McDonalds has been giving me the shaft for years and I still buy and eat their plastic burgers, hundreds of companies put toxic chemicals into our foods and we knowingly still buy them and feed it to our children, Nike factories is or was a fan of child labor and I still buy their shoes....the list goes on and on.
I just dont see why I personally feel the need to single out VW.
I'm not asking anyone to do anything they don't want. Everyone has their own opinions and there's nothing wrong with that. I guess my experience since walking in to the dealer was one that I wish I could get back. My car is a lemon (not a hamburger LOL) and yes that can happen with every vehicle manufacturer the difference here is because they committed fraud, I'm unable to get rid of this vehicle unless I want to give it away. This year alone it's cost me over $5000. If the scandal didn't happen, I would've taken my losses last fall and I would've saved that money. The reason I'm appalled why people would buy a VW again is that I see all these posters *****ing and complaining that they have been defrauded and all the issues they're having with their cars and the hate VW for what they're doing them and then they wish the VW would give them some sort of deal to buy another one. I'm extremely disappointed that I have to get rid of it because of what happened. Before the scandal I was looking at an Audi Q5 gas or diesel. I love the look of their vehicles and performance but I guess now it's about my principles more than the look. To put it in more simple terms. I was a big fan of my ex wife as well. She was hot. But after she cheated on me she's the devil so I traded her in for a younger hotter faster model. Btw my soon to be ex car is in the shop as we speak for a further $750 unexpected repair. When I get her back I will park her in my garage until this is all over.
 
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