Why do I have this feeling that we might get only the fix option unless its un-fixable then there will be the option to sell back to VW. When it comes to Canada vs US and automobiles...we definitely have less "options". Just look at the whole S, SE, SEL thing...
Dieselgate, The Canadian Edition
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I am in a similar boat...i am over 190,000 now....but I am just going to keep driving and wait.
joey003
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Crazy, I don't open this thread for about 20 hours and everything seems to have gone crazy. Lol so much for the slow pace and collegial discussions.
Bahamut
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Given their current pace, or lack thereof, I somehow cannot see them having a fix tested, approved, and ready to go for all 3 generations of engines by October 18th. I believe that the most recent fix that they started testing was only for Gen. 3 vehicles (could be wrong on this though), so Gen 1 and Gen 2 have not been addressed yet. They do have deadlines in the US agreement for these as well, but I'm skeptical of them meeting those deadlines.
In the end, it will very much depend on our court system, and whether they are willing to give any leeway on extending a deadline based on a fix that might be available at some point in the future. If they go this route they have going to have a firestorm of angry customers here.
If we assume for a moment that we only get a fix, and no buyback, that would be disappointing to say the least. There should be a choice, especially if the fix fundamentally alters the behaviour of the vehicle.
Bahamut
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I know how you feel! I didn't open it for 5 hours and came back to an insanity of verbal jousting.
Lister
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Well I'm no lawyer, but would this not fall under the law which forbids retailers of the old "bait and switch" scenario? We all bought a car based on performance and mileage, and if a fix does become a reality for our gen 1 and 2 cars, and it alters the performance and mileage of our cars, then isn't this grounds for legal action by us owners, despite the CAL?
Bahamut
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Fair point! Perhaps it would then come down to a case of whether the fix could be proven/disproved to adversely affect mileage and performance. I know this has been discussed in other threads, but would be good to discuss here just in case. If the mileage was reduced to the EPA sticker amount on the vehicle, is that technically changing the product? We've all been getting better mileage than advertised. I'm also assuming we all drove the vehicles before buying them, however, and we based part of our buying decision on how the vehicle drove at that point in time. If that behaviour were to change enough that we would not have bought the vehicle otherwise, then there very well could be an argument for a "bait-and-switch" case.
Haha...I test drove the gasser Jetta....got back to the dealership and told them I want the TDI in manual..here's $500 for a deposit. Thought to myself...the old 1990's - early 2000's TDI's were good so the new one's must be good too. And that was it.
Not a smart move mind you but I dont regret it.
tobianogreg
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@donewithvw for those on Twitter.
Bahamut
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I love how a diesel engine sounds! I can remember my 2004 Jetta PD TDI: if you drove through a drive-through, or under a bridge, the sound would reflect off the wall and you could hear a little bit of a turbo whistle from itHaha...I test drove the gasser Jetta....got back to the dealership and told them I want the TDI in manual..here's $500 for a deposit. Thought to myself...the old 1990's - early 2000's TDI's were good so the new one's must be good too. And that was it.
Not a smart move mind you but I dont regret it.
.One thing I do have to say about VW vehicles in general: they drive very well. They always have. I drove a 2015 Golf 1.8T and a 2015 VW GTI a while ago: GTI was good. Didn't like the suspension tuning/shifter feel of the 1.8T though, little too soft and squidgy for my liking, but that's just my opinion.
Bahamut
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Following now.
Well... that'd be Trendline, Confortline and Highline for you... no?
People in the US keep complaining they don't get the options and choices we have here in Canada (like manual transmission on fully optioned versions).
Lister
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This is exactly what I am talking about. If our cars are not exactly as they were sold to us as originally then I want to be compensated. In most businesses, if the customer doesn't get what he or she paid for, then it has to be made right.
Lister
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My 2003 tdi has that nice familiar rattle, and our 2013 tdi with 106,000kms on it is starting to sound a little rattly(not sure if that is a word).I love how a diesel engine sounds! I can remember my 2004 Jetta PD TDI: if you drove through a drive-through, or under a bridge, the sound would reflect off the wall and you could hear a little bit of a turbo whistle from it
One thing I do have to say about VW vehicles in general: they drive very well. They always have. I drove a 2015 Golf 1.8T and a 2015 VW GTI a while ago: GTI was good. Didn't like the suspension tuning/shifter feel of the 1.8T though, little too soft and squidgy for my liking, but that's just my opinion.
Pitchblack
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Class action for TDI owners
There is a consortium of law firms pursuing a class action against Volkswagen Canada. There was to be a report on the status of this class action on July 29th but all it noted was that negotiations were continuing. In April of this year, the spokesman for VW Canada was quoted as saying that Canadians would get the same deal as the Americans. Clearly, this is not the case. I am concerned that VW Canada will go for the '30% discount' that we got with the credit cards; i.e., $1000 US for the Americans and $1000 Cdn for Canadians. At first glance, it looked like we got the same deal but, in terms of buying power, we didn't.
The Automobile Protection Assoc. (apa.ca) has a summary of the VW emission scandal developments and it notes "If you have any questions about the status of the Class Actions in which these negotiations are taking place, please visit: volkswagenclassaction.com (all provinces except Quebec) or recourscollectif.info (Quebec residents only)". Registering with the class action costs nothing, at least at the moment. Good luck to all TDI owners.
There is a consortium of law firms pursuing a class action against Volkswagen Canada. There was to be a report on the status of this class action on July 29th but all it noted was that negotiations were continuing. In April of this year, the spokesman for VW Canada was quoted as saying that Canadians would get the same deal as the Americans. Clearly, this is not the case. I am concerned that VW Canada will go for the '30% discount' that we got with the credit cards; i.e., $1000 US for the Americans and $1000 Cdn for Canadians. At first glance, it looked like we got the same deal but, in terms of buying power, we didn't.
The Automobile Protection Assoc. (apa.ca) has a summary of the VW emission scandal developments and it notes "If you have any questions about the status of the Class Actions in which these negotiations are taking place, please visit: volkswagenclassaction.com (all provinces except Quebec) or recourscollectif.info (Quebec residents only)". Registering with the class action costs nothing, at least at the moment. Good luck to all TDI owners.
GigaFire
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Again, unless VW Canada specifically says to sign onto that website, registering for that class action means nothing to me as it cites Ontario repeatedly and not BC. I refuse to hand over information to a third party unless the instructions from the company responsible say to do so.
Bahamut
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Not handing over information either, just yet. However, they have identified prospective class members as being ALL Canadian TDI owners, with the exception of owners in Quebec (there is a separate class action there), and "Extended Persons" who are
a. the defendants and their officers and directors;
b. the authorized motor vehicle dealers of the defendants and the officers and directors of those dealers; and
c. the heirs, successors and assigns of the persons described in subparagraphs (a) and (b).
b. the authorized motor vehicle dealers of the defendants and the officers and directors of those dealers; and
c. the heirs, successors and assigns of the persons described in subparagraphs (a) and (b).
Bahamut
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Just got a phone interview scheduled with a CBC reporter for 2:15pm today: finally a chance to get the Canadian story out!
Nice
Those poor buggers...always doing their own thing. Hehe.
Congrats on the 2:15...kick some ass.
Bahamut
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Just want to feel like I'm doing my part in all this.
Reactorface
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all persons in Canada
THE DEFINITION OF CLASS MEMBERS AND VEHICLE MODELS INVOLVED IN THESE CLASS ACTIONS
2. These Class Actions concern the installation of so-called “defeat devices” in certain vehicles. It is alleged in these Class Actions that the intentional dangerous design, manufacture and installation of these devices in certain diesel Vehicles defeated or suppressed the true measure of emissions and pollutants, including nitrogen oxide.
3. The “Class” and “Class Members” are defined as: all persons in Canada, except the Excluded Persons and persons residing in Quebec, who owned or leased a diesel vehicle listed below on the dates listed below:
you actually think VW is going to recommend that anyone join a class action suit against them?
THE DEFINITION OF CLASS MEMBERS AND VEHICLE MODELS INVOLVED IN THESE CLASS ACTIONS
2. These Class Actions concern the installation of so-called “defeat devices” in certain vehicles. It is alleged in these Class Actions that the intentional dangerous design, manufacture and installation of these devices in certain diesel Vehicles defeated or suppressed the true measure of emissions and pollutants, including nitrogen oxide.
3. The “Class” and “Class Members” are defined as: all persons in Canada, except the Excluded Persons and persons residing in Quebec, who owned or leased a diesel vehicle listed below on the dates listed below:
Bahamut
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LMAO! I'm just picturing the VW email now saying please join a class action. The email link will probably go to a junk mail folder at VW HQ
. You never know though: as part of a class action settlement they may be ordered to release that information.GigaFire
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This is why I'm waiting on a official registration system like how VWoA have for their customers. This whole thrid-party Ontario-centric class action site reeks of "when we win, we're going to garnish the hell out of what you're owed".LMAO! I'm just picturing the VW email now saying please join a class action. The email link will probably go to a junk mail folder at VW HQ
JohnNS
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1 - My needs changed and we had planned to be out of this vehicle last winter, but the scandal hit
2 - Like the car just fine, but see above. Needs changed and it no longer fits.
3 - Yes, when you have people in your family with respiratory problems it's something you think about
4 - irrelevant since we wouldn't get a fix done and shouldn't be chained to this vehicle right now
5 - irrelevant - don't owe anything on it.
6 - wouldn't be happy with this at all. They've put me on hold for a year and a half (by the time anything actually gets done). That's a year and a half of maintenance, depreciation, knowing I've been defrauded and 'stress'. Darn right I want compensation on top of fair value from Sept 2015.
1 - Why are you so butthurt over people being upset they were defrauded and kept in a vehicle for a year and a half (assuming Dec/Jan something actually happens)? If you're happy, great, glad for you - why trouble yourself here?
Not so much towards VW but a lot of you posters (here and in the US thread) that are so butthurt about what?
Did you car suddenly start driving differently after the announcement?
Did your underlying sense of entitlement suddenly rush to the front of your brains demanding FAIR MARKET VALUE for a car you've owned and driven possibly for a while now (6yrs from new for me)?
VW cheated and got caught. The only thing that affected most consumers is the resale value. I don't buy cars to flip them every 2 yrs, I buy them for life (theirs or mine). Our Wagen owes us nothing except for another 6+ yrs of good mileage, safe and comfortable travel.
2 - No, but I do feel different about it. Happens when you find out it pollutes more than it's supposed to (and happen to care about that kind of thing), you were sold a fraud, values tanked and dealers won't trade it in (other than for another vw, at a lower than should be amount ha!). I think about how much easier it would be to take my parents shopping in the SUV I should be in right now as opposed to the JSW I'm compelled to hang on to.
3 - No underlying sense of entitlement. The vehicle should have been worth X in Sept 2015, it's not entitlement to want that after it changed because of THEIR fraud. It's not entitlement to deserve compensation when they admit wrongdoing and sold a good that wasn't what they claimed.
4 - If our needs didn't change I overall may feel the same, however I don't like to be lied to, defrauded, or cheated. You may be okay with that, again, that's great for you.
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Bahamut
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Ditto from me: thanks for stepping up
. That was an excellent piece. It was also cool when they did the shot of Twitter feed, and I could see all the names scroll past on the screen that I recognized (including me!). Haha.PTH
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Yes. Well done, indeed. Thanks for speaking out on our behalf and that of others.