Dieselgate, The Canadian Edition

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Kathleen Edwards ‏@kittythefool Aug 2
WHEN THE HELL ARE CANADIAN VW DIESEL OWNERS GOING TO FIND OUT WHAT THE DEAL IS?! @VWcanada tell us SOMETHING!
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Volkswagen CA TDI ‏@VWCanadaTDI 7h7 hours ago
@kittythefool Hi Kathleen, we understand your frustration and are working as quickly as possible to make things right with our customers.
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Kathleen Edwards ‏@kittythefool 2h2 hours ago
@VWCanadaTDI and now we have to wait until December?!? I need a vehicle for work. US customers have their package information. This is...
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@kittythefool Hi Kathleen, we understand your frustration and are working as quickly as possible to make things right with our customers.
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Kathleen Edwards ‏@kittythefool 2h2 hours ago
@VWCanadaTDI I wanted to make a decision about getting a new vehicle in JUNE when you told us we would have our compensation package info
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Vw actually replied to a singer from Ottawa .

Kathleen Edwards ‏@kittythefool Aug 2
WHEN THE HELL ARE CANADIAN VW DIESEL OWNERS GOING TO FIND OUT WHAT THE DEAL IS?! @VWcanada tell us SOMETHING!
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@kittythefool Hi Kathleen, we understand your frustration and are working as quickly as possible to make things right with our customers.
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Ah yes, the trademark responses of VW Bot. This irritates me a lot: they don't even have the courtesy of changing the auto-responses once in a while to make it look like someone is paying attention.

 

[Willem_Dafoe]

To add to the archives: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...of-more-than-100000-vehicles/article29710515/

"“Rest assured that what happens in the U.S. will be mirrored in Canada,” Mr. Tetzlaff said." (april 21)

Tune changed June 27th:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/volkswagen-lawsuit-deal-1.3655371

"While the settlement terms in the U.S. proceeding will be a consideration for the Canadian discussions, settlement details coming out of the U.S. court proceeding may not apply to Canada," Volkswagen said.

"Our hope is to provide remedies to Canadians on pace with U.S. customers."

I have several emails to write tonight. Guide my fingers, demons of typing, and let them be profanity free... as much as possible.

This exactly. They tell us to watch the USA and change their tune later. It feels like direct manipulation really, letting us down slowly over time until they are just installing some fix in our vehicles that eventually destroys them. They have left us completely in the dark, and then invalidated the information we thought we had which was based upon the assumption of what was happening in the USA, something we were instructed to do in writing from them. They are now doing the opposite because they think we will back down allowing them to get away with it. Time to show them we wont let them screw us.

 

[Willem_Dafoe]

There is a Facebook group set up for those interested in raising awareness to VW corporate of the dissatisfaction of Canadian customers. We've not had a single useful information since the scandal broke in September and they continue to lie to us and contradict their prior statements.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/534331546750939

 

[Bahamut]

This exactly. They tell us to watch the USA and change their tune later. It feels like direct manipulation really, letting us down slowly over time until they are just installing some fix in our vehicles that eventually destroys them. They have left us completely in the dark, and then invalidated the information we thought we had which was based upon the assumption of what was happening in the USA, something we were instructed to do in writing from them. They are now doing the opposite because they think we will back down allowing them to get away with it. Time to show them we wont let them screw us.

The key is to not back down. There isn't a lot we can do at this point, except what is being discussed on the Facebook group. We can also push the point where possible on social media, promote the #DoneWithVW tag on Twitter, and gather as many members as possible for https://www.facebook.com/groups/534331546750939, by promoting it as much as possible.

The alternative is to sit back, do nothing, and wait for the class action to be certified (if they don't come to an agreement): this could mean it ends up in court, and will then drag on for years in a worst-case scenario.

 

[John_Nutt]

It would be easier to tell when they are not lying .

Like judge Judy says if they are talking they are lying.

 

[flyboy320]

I posted to facebook the timeline that Scratchy101 and JohnNS kindly wrote a few posts back (thanks for posting them guys).

 

[Lister]

Wouldn't it be great if Canada grew a pair, refused to adhere to EPA standards, and switched to European standards instead? (Or made our own)

Then we could have all those sweet European diesel cars that we currently can't get because we picked the wrong country to borrow our emissions regulations from.

Then we could put this diesel scandal behind us.

Agreed, but I think we had to mirror the EPA because of our proximity to the US, and we were probably strong armed by the US to do so.

 

[icecoaster]

The key is to not back down. There isn't a lot we can do at this point, except what is being discussed on the Facebook group. We can also push the point where possible on social media, promote the #DoneWithVW tag on Twitter, and gather as many members as possible for https://www.facebook.com/groups/534331546750939, by promoting it as much as possible.

The alternative is to sit back, do nothing, and wait for the class action to be certified (if they don't come to an agreement): this could mean it ends up in court, and will then drag on for years in a worst-case scenario.

I think a better hashtag is #VWFraud. It's more to the point. Maybe use both.

 

[Mike_04GolfTDI]

Agreed, but I think we had to mirror the EPA because of our proximity to the US, and we were probably strong armed by the US to do so.

Exactly. So let's give them the Trudeau salute and get some Euro diesels.

 

[Scratchy101]

Sorry for the spam, but I'm seeing what I can find to make some noise. May have a talk with someone here soon:

http://www.consumerinformation.ca/eic/site/032.nsf/eng/00044.html

(at the bottom, provincial contacts)

Canadian Anti-Fraud center:

http://www.antifraudcentre-centreantifraude.ca/index-eng.htm

http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/eic/site/cb-bc.nsf/eng/h_00122.html

Second link is how to report fraud.

VW has already admitted to fraud, so those links won't do anything to speed up the settlement. It's now down to determining what the penalty will be for committing this fraud against the Canadian consumers.

 

[tobianogreg]

^That's what I'm thinking too. If the government would actually charge VW for something might help but no doubt the jobs threat has been implied.

We're just going to have to let the court process play out and hope there is no fix assuming people want out of these vehicles.

 

[Lister]

Exactly. So let's give them the Trudeau salute and get some Euro diesels.

I'd be all for that!

 

[Mike_04GolfTDI]

Why do people want out of their vehicles so badly anyway?

Do you not like the car?

Are you genuinely concerned about the small amount of extra pollution?

Are you worried about how the "fix" might affect performance?

Do you have a big loan that you've grown weary of paying and you want an easy way out?

Would you be happy if the Canadian negotiations resulted in VW paying a fine to the government, NOT modifying the cars, and allowing owners to just carry on driving their cars as if nothing happened?

 

[ElectricMayhem]

Why do people want out of their vehicles so badly anyway?

Do you not like the car?

You understand that our cars are worth thousands less now, than if VW hadn't engaged in the malfeasance, right?

Go ahead and list an affected car on Auto Trader - I guarantee you will get no bids except for chancers offering you 50% of what you could have got before September 2015.

Hell, I went to an Audi dealer in January to buy an A4 and they offered me $13k for my car, which had a wholesale value of $17k in August last year. So my choices were to take a $4k hit or stand pat and wait for a resolution.

Also, I bought the diesel engine option because when I looked at the resale values of TDIs at the time, I came to the conclusion that I would get my money back when I sold the car. In effect, it was a "free" option at the time.

Answers to other questions in blue, below.

Why do people want out of their vehicles so badly anyway? - I wanted to buy a new car this Spring. Don't like owning German cars out of warranty.
Do you not like the car? - Car has been fantastic, no unexpected work on it except for new intercooler due to icing.
Are you genuinely concerned about the small amount of extra pollution? - Not really. There are lots of vehicles on Ontario roads that pollute a lot more than my little Golf. I haven't done the math, but I'm pretty sure the emissions from my gas lawnmower and weed eater are a substantial fraction of what my Golf emits in the 15k km of driving I do every year.
Are you worried about how the "fix" might affect performance? - The performance is acceptable now, but only barely. I will not accept a reduction.
Do you have a big loan that you've grown weary of paying and you want an easy way out? - Car was paid off 18 months after purchase.

Would you be happy if the Canadian negotiations resulted in VW paying a fine to the government, NOT modifying the cars, and allowing owners to just carry on driving their cars as if nothing happened? - If Wynne will pledge to allow my car to be registered forever, and the wholesale value comes back in line with what it was pre-scandal, that outcome is acceptable to me.

 

[tdegeld]

See answers below.

Why do people want out of their vehicles so badly anyway? - Because the resale value has dropped so significantly and the longer I own it the worse it will get.
Do you not like the car? - Love the car.
Are you genuinely concerned about the small amount of extra pollution? - to an extent, but my biggest issue is being intentionally lied to and deceived.
Are you worried about how the "fix" might affect performance? - Absolutely.
Do you have a big loan that you've grown weary of paying and you want an easy way out? - Nope. Car is 100% paid off. Can't say I don't want a new one though....

Would you be happy if the Canadian negotiations resulted in VW paying a fine to the government, NOT modifying the cars, and allowing owners to just carry on driving their cars as if nothing happened? - Not at all. We deserve restitution for being lied to and mislead. Fraud is fraud and VW needs to pay for it. Especially to the people it directly affected.

 

[FVWVWF]

Are you genuinely concerned about the small amount of extra pollution? - to an extent, but my biggest issue is being intentionally lied to and deceived.

Really? You're gonna tell me that when you were looking at cars, you were concerned about the levels of emissions the car spits out before making the decision to buy it? You were out there with a chart or a target in mind when it comes to emissions? Comon...

They said it was clean diesel...they lied because its not so clean....however despite it not being as clean as advertised its STILL CLEANER than the regular gasser out there. I cannot understand how one can feel lied to or cheated when it comes to this specific part...and the reason is that because nobody knew or cared about the actual levels of emissions...why now?

Rest parts of the post I agree.

 

[Scratchy101]

See my answers inline.

Why do people want out of their vehicles so badly anyway?

Do you not like the car? It no longer fits my needs since I retired

Are you genuinely concerned about the small amount of extra pollution? No

Are you worried about how the "fix" might affect performance? Possibly

Do you have a big loan that you've grown weary of paying and you want an easy way out? No, my car was paid off over a year go

Would you be happy if the Canadian negotiations resulted in VW paying a fine to the government, NOT modifying the cars, and allowing owners to just carry on driving their cars as if nothing happened?

No, I want to sell the car and get something that meets my needs.
Sadly, the car is worth less than before this scandal and I feel they owe me restitution for the devaluation and lying about the car.

So basically I am being held hostage by VW in that I cannot sell my car until this is done. Also the longer this drags out, the more mileage is being put on the car, meaning less residual value/payout when/if this is ever settled. It is a lose, lose, lose situation for me.

 

[FVWVWF]

Replies in bold.

Why do people want out of their vehicles so badly anyway?

Do you not like the car?
Yeah not bad, could use few more features that some of the competition has on their models.

Are you genuinely concerned about the small amount of extra pollution?
No.

Are you worried about how the "fix" might affect performance?
Big time...bought the car because of its amazing mpg. The recall that came around May put a dent into that. Now this fix may impact it even more? If thats the case, I might as well bought another car.


Do you have a big loan that you've grown weary of paying and you want an easy way out?
Still got a couple of thousand to pay. Not a concern though.

Would you be happy if the Canadian negotiations resulted in VW paying a fine to the government, NOT modifying the cars, and allowing owners to just carry on driving their cars as if nothing happened?
Besides the mpg, I bought the car because of its good resale value...either make the price of the car back to its original state or pay me cash.

 

[Lister]

Why do people want out of their vehicles so badly anyway?

Do you not like the car?

Are you genuinely concerned about the small amount of extra pollution?

Are you worried about how the "fix" might affect performance?

Do you have a big loan that you've grown weary of paying and you want an easy way out?

Would you be happy if the Canadian negotiations resulted in VW paying a fine to the government, NOT modifying the cars, and allowing owners to just carry on driving their cars as if nothing happened?

No to your last question because I bought this car for the mileage it gets, and how they "used" to hold their value. I have taken a hit on my car's value because of this mess, and I want it resolved quickly by me sending this car back to VW, and then looking at other options.

 

[Tornado TDI]

Answers below.

Why do people want out of their vehicles so badly anyway?
I don't. I bought mine expecting to keep it for 10 to 15 years. Still do.

Do you not like the car?
I love it. It's my second TDI.

Are you genuinely concerned about the small amount of extra pollution?
No. The emissions and the "clean diesel" claims had nothing to do with why I bought the car. This TDI is cleaner than the one I replaced with it.

Are you worried about how the "fix" might affect performance?
Not really.I came from a 90 Hp Golf TDI.

Do you have a big loan that you've grown weary of paying and you want an easy way out?
No.

Would you be happy if the Canadian negotiations resulted in VW paying a fine to the government, NOT modifying the cars, and allowing owners to just carry on driving their cars as if nothing happened?
Yes.

 

[crashtested]

Not so much towards VW but a lot of you posters (here and in the US thread) that are so butthurt about what?

Did you car suddenly start driving differently after the announcement?

Did your underlying sense of entitlement suddenly rush to the front of your brains demanding FAIR MARKET VALUE for a car you've owned and driven possibly for a while now (6yrs from new for me)?

VW cheated and got caught. The only thing that affected most consumers is the resale value. I don't buy cars to flip them every 2 yrs, I buy them for life (theirs or mine). Our Wagen owes us nothing except for another 6+ yrs of good mileage, safe and comfortable travel.

 

[tdegeld]

Really? You're gonna tell me that when you were looking at cars, you were concerned about the levels of emissions the car spits out before making the decision to buy it? You were out there with a chart or a target in mind when it comes to emissions? Comon...

They said it was clean diesel...they lied because its not so clean....however despite it not being as clean as advertised its STILL CLEANER than the regular gasser out there. I cannot understand how one can feel lied to or cheated when it comes to this specific part...and the reason is that because nobody knew or cared about the actual levels of emissions...why now?

Rest parts of the post I agree.

GFY. I never said or implied any of the crap you're taking from that. I'm not saying it played a huge roll in me buying the car I did, but I did like the fact that it was somewhat environmentally friendly. You realize that not everyone has the exact same bloody opinions as you right? Maybe try having a conversation with someone rather than just calling them out on something they didn't say. FFS.

 

[tdegeld]

Not so much towards VW but a lot of you posters (here and in the US thread) that are so butthurt about what?

Did you car suddenly start driving differently after the announcement?

Did your underlying sense of entitlement suddenly rush to the front of your brains demanding FAIR MARKET VALUE for a car you've owned and driven possibly for a while now (6yrs from new for me)?

VW cheated and got caught. The only thing that affected most consumers is the resale value. I don't buy cars to flip them every 2 yrs, I buy them for life (theirs or mine). Our Wagen owes us nothing except for another 6+ yrs of good mileage, safe and comfortable travel.

They lied to us and committed the definition of fraud? Why shouldn't we be pissed off?

 

[FVWVWF]

GFY. I never said or implied any of the crap you're taking from that. I'm not saying it played a huge roll in me buying the car I did, but I did like the fact that it was somewhat environmentally friendly. You realize that not everyone has the exact same bloody opinions as you right? Maybe try having a conversation with someone rather than just calling them out on something they didn't say. FFS.

1. Take your own advice which I highlighted in bold
2. Clean the sand out of your vag....
3. Explain to me how you feel lied and cheated to SPECIFICALLY when it comes to the pollution levels coming from this car. In short...you bought the car because the pollution was "X"....and you just found out that the pollution is actually "Y" and you're mad? Did you even know it was at "X" when you were buying the car? Well...did you?

 

[Lister]

Really? You're gonna tell me that when you were looking at cars, you were concerned about the levels of emissions the car spits out before making the decision to buy it? You were out there with a chart or a target in mind when it comes to emissions? Comon...

They said it was clean diesel...they lied because its not so clean....however despite it not being as clean as advertised its STILL CLEANER than the regular gasser out there. I cannot understand how one can feel lied to or cheated when it comes to this specific part...and the reason is that because nobody knew or cared about the actual levels of emissions...why now?

Rest parts of the post I agree.

Because my value of my car has plummeted. One of the reasons I bought this car was for its resale value. I didn't once think of emissions though. I guess that makes me a bad global citizen.

 

[GigaFire]

Not so much towards VW but a lot of you posters (here and in the US thread) that are so butthurt about what?

Did you car suddenly start driving differently after the announcement?

Did your underlying sense of entitlement suddenly rush to the front of your brains demanding FAIR MARKET VALUE for a car you've owned and driven possibly for a while now (6yrs from new for me)?

VW cheated and got caught. The only thing that affected most consumers is the resale value. I don't buy cars to flip them every 2 yrs, I buy them for life (theirs or mine). Our Wagen owes us nothing except for another 6+ yrs of good mileage, safe and comfortable travel.

So I'm supposed to smile and take it while VW bends me over with a "fix" that could potentially reduce the overall reliability of the car? I bought in thinking that I'd have something that I could own long term and only have to deal with typical wear and maintenance items as they come along. Now that has completely been thrown into question with this whole issue, and I want out before something grenades and I'm out of pocket for a product I didn't buy into.

 

[ElectricMayhem]

Not so much towards VW but a lot of you posters (here and in the US thread) that are so butthurt about what?

Laugh it up. I am expecting Wynne to announce that I won't be able to register my car in Ontario starting in 2017. She will say it is unfortunate for the owners, but it is because of the environment.

She said something similar when she announced my marginal tax rate was going to be 53%. Her main goal is the expansion of government power, and the confiscation of wealth.

 

[tdegeld]

1. Take your own advice which I highlighted in bold
2. Clean the sand out of your vag....
3. Explain to me how you feel lied and cheated to SPECIFICALLY when it comes to the pollution levels coming from this car. In short...you bought the car because the pollution was "X"....and you just found out that the pollution is actually "Y" and you're mad? Did you even know it was at "X" when you were buying the car? Well...did you?

FFS you're like my bloody wife, reading so much into such a simple bloody comment. I don't have to explain s#it to you. Yes, the fact that it was a "clean diesel" played into the attraction of the car. Is this why I bought the car? No, and I never said it was.... No, I didn't know what the NOx levels were. And I'm not mad specifically because of the emissions levels. I'm mad because what VW did was unethical and a blatant lie. Get over yourself. What a dick.

 

[FVWVWF]

Because my value of my car has plummeted. One of the reasons I bought this car was for its resale value. I didn't once think of emissions though. I guess that makes me a bad global citizen.

The value of the car is the result of the scandal....My post was more about the "feeling" of being lied to and cheated in regards to the emissions levels.
In other words...if your car's value wasnt affected...would you still give a flying duck about the emissions levels? Those who cared before purchasing the car might...but majority didnt care. And the reason I say that is because if someone who is out there buying a car and looking at its emissions levels...they wouldnt be looking at a TDI but a Hybrid, electric or something else. (not speaking overall green car..just strictly emissions)