Dieselgate, The Canadian Edition

Bahamut

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BigWorm

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^you're 100 percent correct! We need to fight for this and make some noise for real. We need as many people on that facebook group and get some Canadian media awareness. We see how they all have just copy and pasting each others UN CORRECT info between sites. Now lets give them the correct facts and something else to write about besides the US reporting that has nothing to do with us in canada....

Lmao with VW's cut and paste responces that answer less than we got on the 29th.
 

bboshart

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^you're 100 percent correct! We need to fight for this and make some noise for real. We need as many people on that facebook group and get some Canadian media awareness. We see how they all have just copy and pasting each others UN CORRECT info between sites. Now lets give them the correct facts and something else to write about besides the US reporting that has nothing to do with us in canada....
Lmao with VW's cut and paste responces that answer less than we got on the 29th.
I would very much appreciate if someone is able to compile an accurate timeline of the events and VW Canada's communication and lack of.
 

Scratchy101

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Canadian VW TDI customers - still no buyback settlement

Just to archive the dates so far:

2. On July 26, 2016, Judge Breyer gave the US Consumer Settlement Agreement for US 2-liter diesel vehicles preliminary approval.
3. On July 29, 2016, Class Counsel and the Volkswagen and Audi lawyers (“Defendants’ Lawyers”) reported to Justice Belobaba of the Ontario Superior Court of Justice on the status of settlement discussions.
4. Class Counsel and the Defendants’ Lawyers are continuing to negotiate, aiming to settle the class actions in Canada concerning the diesel Volkswagen, Audi and Porsche diesel motor vehicles. We are not able to report to you about the particulars of the settlement discussions.
5. On October 18, 2016, Class Counsel and the Defendants’ Lawyers are scheduled to appear before Justice Belobaba to report to him. If a settlement has been reached, Justice Belobaba will give directions for a settlement approval motion to be heard on December 19 and 20, 2016.
6. If on October 18, 2016 a settlement has not been reached, Justice Belobaba will direct that the certification motion be heard on December 19 and 20, 2016.
I wonder if my VW dealer will let me park my TDI on their lot for free with a for sale sign on it - $25K?
I'd be happy with that.
 

joey003

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Damn - tomorrow would be awesome if someone could hit up the interview for CBC. I'd go up, but I'm packed with stuff tomorrow.
 

CanuckRS

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I was downtown yesterday all day. In Burlington tomorrow. I'd probably just swear a whole bunch because I'm so pissed anyways. Anyone able to keep their cool while talking about this?
 

Bahamut

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I was downtown yesterday all day. In Burlington tomorrow. I'd probably just swear a whole bunch because I'm so pissed anyways. Anyone able to keep their cool while talking about this?
Nope, I'm seething with rage right now. I'm so tempted to park the car in the garage, shut the door and not look at it again. Can't do that though. There are so many words I have for Volkswagen right now and none of them are kind. I think we just have to keep up doing what we're doing (Twitter, Facebook, emails, etc.), and hopefully get some sort of resolution soon.

I do have to say this about any potential settlement: it had BETTER be backdated to Sept. 15, like the US agreement, otherwise we will get completely hosed on the whole thing...assuming we get a buyback...which we may or may not know about in 6 months...urrrggggg.
 

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JohnNS

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To add to the archives: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...of-more-than-100000-vehicles/article29710515/

"“Rest assured that what happens in the U.S. will be mirrored in Canada,” Mr. Tetzlaff said." (april 21)

Tune changed June 27th:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/volkswagen-lawsuit-deal-1.3655371

"While the settlement terms in the U.S. proceeding will be a consideration for the Canadian discussions, settlement details coming out of the U.S. court proceeding may not apply to Canada," Volkswagen said.

"Our hope is to provide remedies to Canadians on pace with U.S. customers."

I have several emails to write tonight. Guide my fingers, demons of typing, and let them be profanity free... as much as possible.
 

Armby

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I was willing to wait patiently as the story up to now was let the US situation play out. Canada is a small part of the North American auto market with very similar car models and exactly the same emission standards. We were told that Canadian owners would be treated in the same manner as the US owners.

But now that things are moving forward in the States we are being told to continue to wait ... for 5 more months ... the earliest date we can get preliminary approval on a settlement is end of December. If we are simply following the US model how can we be at least 5 months behind.

Some questions I would like to see answers on:
1. Where is Environment Canada in this? This is 5 more months of high NOx levels spewing from 100,000 Canadian TDIs that were certified by VW to meet a much tighter standard. I hear chirping.
2. Where is the Canadian Justice Department. VW lied to the Canadian regulators and consumers. This is a massive fraud. I hear chirping.
3. What game is VW Canada playing here? Are they committed to making things right with Canadian owners or is that just marketing hype that they can feed through their Twitter bot, so that they think we won't notice the chirping?
4. Finally, what are the class action lawyers (the so called Consortium of Class Action firms) up to. Based on their website they seem to be more interested in protecting their turf from MLG than actually closing a deal with VW. Based on results produced I am not sure I would hire them to act on our behalf. Maybe MLG would have been a better choice?
 

tobianogreg

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If VW is intractable in a "no buy back" position then there's very little the class action lawyers can do. To agree to anything less than the US agreement would be legal suicide.

It's likely going to come down to de judge at the end of the trial.
 

Mike_04GolfTDI

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Wouldn't it be great if Canada grew a pair, refused to adhere to EPA standards, and switched to European standards instead? (Or made our own)

Then we could have all those sweet European diesel cars that we currently can't get because we picked the wrong country to borrow our emissions regulations from.

Then we could put this diesel scandal behind us.
 

JohnNS

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Sorry for the spam, but I'm seeing what I can find to make some noise. May have a talk with someone here soon:

http://www.consumerinformation.ca/eic/site/032.nsf/eng/00044.html

(at the bottom, provincial contacts)

Canadian Anti-Fraud center:

http://www.antifraudcentre-centreantifraude.ca/index-eng.htm

http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/eic/site/cb-bc.nsf/eng/h_00122.html

Second link is how to report fraud.

Minister of Environment:

http://pm.gc.ca/eng/minister/honourable-catherine-mckenna

(email contact next to her name)

Minister of Justice:

http://pm.gc.ca/eng/minister/honourable-jody-wilson-raybould

More to come as I find/think of them. Haven't found a contact for the Judge yet, just snail mail.
 

Ptplayers

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Wouldn't it be great if Canada grew a pair, refused to adhere to EPA standards, and switched to European standards instead? (Or made our own)

Then we could have all those sweet European diesel cars that we currently can't get because we picked the wrong country to borrow our emissions regulations from.

Then we could put this diesel scandal behind us.

That wont happen , Wynne will probably add a new carbon tax to tdi`s.
 

minitechnicus

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Wouldn't it be great if Canada grew a pair, refused to adhere to EPA standards, and switched to European standards instead? (Or made our own)
Then we could have all those sweet European diesel cars that we currently can't get because we picked the wrong country to borrow our emissions regulations from.
Then we could put this diesel scandal behind us.
I couldn't agree with you more Mike ! A look at VW Australia site (or Audi, BMW, etc) will show you an impressive range of models, many ( i.e. Passat Alltrack) available only with TDI engine !
So we are to abide by EPA rules but when comes to compensation... well, ummm, NO , sorry, doesn't apply to Canadian consumers :mad:
Cheers
 

bluetoy

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To the best of my knowledge the main reason we do not have European diesels here is because our diesel fuel is inadequate and will not work properly in the euro engines. Could be wrong though. As for the class action lawyers... their only interest is lining their own pockets. they have zero interest in what happens to tdi owners. As far as I can remember don't class action lawsuits end with the lawyers taking a hug chunk of the money while the consumer is left with a fraction. If I remember correctly with the Honda fuel mileage case the class action lawyers got all the money and the consumers got a few hundred bucks. I remember this because i read an article where a woman opted out of the class action and ended up with like 12 grand.

Cold be wrong on all points though.
 

Bahamut

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Wouldn't it be great if Canada grew a pair, refused to adhere to EPA standards, and switched to European standards instead? (Or made our own)

Then we could have all those sweet European diesel cars that we currently can't get because we picked the wrong country to borrow our emissions regulations from.

Then we could put this diesel scandal behind us.
This would have merit as well as we would have more diesel vehicles to choose from, which would create extra competition for VW. Maybe that would force them to bring more interesting models here and get off their high horses and treat customers properly as they would easily be able to go to a different maker and get a diesel vehicle.
 

Bahamut

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Sorry for the spam, but I'm seeing what I can find to make some noise. May have a talk with someone here soon:

http://www.consumerinformation.ca/eic/site/032.nsf/eng/00044.html

(at the bottom, provincial contacts)

Canadian Anti-Fraud center:

http://www.antifraudcentre-centreantifraude.ca/index-eng.htm

http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/eic/site/cb-bc.nsf/eng/h_00122.html

Second link is how to report fraud.

Minister of Environment:

http://pm.gc.ca/eng/minister/honourable-catherine-mckenna

(email contact next to her name)

Minister of Justice:

http://pm.gc.ca/eng/minister/honourable-jody-wilson-raybould

More to come as I find/think of them. Haven't found a contact for the Judge yet, just snail mail.
I think the anti-fraud one has merit for sure: I remember looking at the Competition Act briefly and found sections in there that VW definitely violated. Writing a complaint to the Competition Bureau is definitely on my list for this week.
 
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