Dieselgate, The Canadian Edition

[vinny6737TDI]

Turned in my 2014 Jetta TDI with 161,207kms on the clock(came in 43kms under the 'artificial' 2000kms allowed). Drove from Ottawa to Longueuil and did the deal with RicePoint, with zero hassle. Drove away with a 2013 High Line SE Passat TDI with 106,250kms on the clock. Paid a little extra for the Passat but I'm happy.
My question is about the ADBLUE reservoir in the trunk. The owner's manual has all the ADBLUE or DEF information. It is not a 'retrofitted' TDI. What was the reason some TDIs had the ADBLUE and other models didn't or were not required to have the ADBLUE?

 

[vinny6737TDI]

https://jalopnik.com/dozens-of-vw-diesels-were-stolen-from-michigan-s-abando-1806012070

Be careful one of these doesn't end up in Canada

 

[phantom1260]

Has anyone started to receive letters from the VWSettlement or VW Canada for their fix?

Have not received anything in the mail yet and the portal still says a fix is not available.

If you go to the settlement site though the letters are now uploaded there.

I booked my appointment with my dealer for Sept 19.

https://www.vwcanadasettlement.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/VWCAN23U3FINAL_2LGen1_EN_MAH.pdf - VW Gen 1 Letter

https://www.vwcanadasettlement.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/MAHEdits--VW_2LGen1_CAN-EN_FINAL.pdf - VW Gen 1 Booklet

https://www.vwcanadasettlement.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/AudiCAN23U7FINAL_2LGen1_EN_MAH.pdf -Audi Gen 1 Letter

https://www.vwcanadasettlement.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/MAHEdits--Audi_2LGen1_CAN-EN_FINAL.pdf Audi Gen 1 Booklet

 

[dataiv]

Have not received anything in the mail yet and the portal still says a fix is not available.

If you go to the settlement site though the letters are now uploaded there.

I just got the booklet and letter in the mail yesterday. I do not plan to do it though, still planning to do the buyback.

 

[dwfdiesel]

Has anyone started to receive letters from the VWSettlement or VW Canada for their fix?

Yep got mine today Sept 14. I still plan on taking the buyback but would like to do it next year. Don't get the fix if you are taking the buyback.
However getting Emission Recall 23U3 will end your rights to chose buyback or trade in.

 

[Reactorface]

Q5

Got a line on a 2016 Audi Q5 TDI Technic w/ 26000 km on the clock. Asking $48,900. About all I know at this point.

Any advice on this vehicle? I haven't been following the 3.0 fix/settlement at all. I'm guessing the impacts of any potential fix are unknown at this time.

Thanks for any replies.

that's a reasonable price I just picked up a 2015 and love it so far. it is a huge jump up from my sold back Passat. totally different animal. You will like it after less than 1hr of driving it. what it lacks in nimbleness it makes up for in power, doesn't spool up as quickly as the 2.0 but boy when it does! check your speedo often as you barely notice your doing 150 all of a sudden, there is so much less cabin noise (except the B/O stereo) and rock steady on the highway.

 

[vwnut20]

Have not received anything in the mail yet and the portal still says a fix is not available.
If you go to the settlement site though the letters are now uploaded there.
I booked my appointment with my dealer for Sept 19.
https://www.vwcanadasettlement.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/VWCAN23U3FINAL_2LGen1_EN_MAH.pdf - VW Gen 1 Letter
https://www.vwcanadasettlement.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/MAHEdits--VW_2LGen1_CAN-EN_FINAL.pdf - VW Gen 1 Booklet
https://www.vwcanadasettlement.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/AudiCAN23U7FINAL_2LGen1_EN_MAH.pdf -Audi Gen 1 Letter
https://www.vwcanadasettlement.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/MAHEdits--Audi_2LGen1_CAN-EN_FINAL.pdf Audi Gen 1 Booklet

So today I got curious and called a dealership(Hamilton VW). Lady on the phone was verify friendly and helpful. She notified me that "yes" Gen 1 fixes have been approved and that they have started the 23U3 recall. Also, she told me to very with my portal(which I did) to make sure the next step was to "book your appointment". 15 mins later have an appointment set with Hamilton VW next week. They need the car for the day and lending me a loaner. This process was so much easier than dealing with the claims portal(so far).
Keep everyone posted with the car. Currently I have 3 emissions related faults last time I scanned with my Vag-com. I'm hopping that they will cover under the new emissions warranty.

 

[Smokin_Joe]

What if the cheque they try to give us is less than expected

So the wife and I are reading the offer letter and she asked me the question in the title.
In the letter it clearly states to appeal the offer don't return the letter.

What appeal or arbitration is available to us if they suddenly try to give us a cheque for less money when we are turning in the car?

 

[ecode]

So the wife and I are reading the offer letter and she asked me the question in the title.
In the letter it clearly states to appeal the offer don't return the letter.

What appeal or arbitration is available to us if they suddenly try to give us a cheque for less money when we are turning in the car?

You can appeal only on the basis that they did the calculation wrong. You can't appeal on any other grounds.

Details are in the settlement, but long and short of it - you pay the filing fee, and get it back if you win. Lose it if you lose.

Based on how the values are set, they assume the worst when giving the offer, so a smaller check shouldn't be possible.

 

[Smokin_Joe]

You can appeal only on the basis that they did the calculation wrong. You can't appeal on any other grounds.

Details are in the settlement, but long and short of it - you pay the filing fee, and get it back if you win. Lose it if you lose.

Based on how the values are set, they assume the worst when giving the offer, so a smaller check shouldn't be possible.

Question is can you still appeal after you show up for the appointment and they are trying to give you a smaller cheque?
I read somewhere a few people have had this happen....not sure where I read it.

 

[ecode]

Question is can you still appeal after you show up for the appointment and they are trying to give you a smaller cheque?
I read somewhere a few people have had this happen....not sure where I read it.

I'd refuse the appointment, not sign anything and call the lawyers in that case.

If you aren't in the high mileage category, the only time that an offer would suddenly change from what the portal has been telling you is if you are close to a mileage breakpoint, and the 2000km they tack on pushes you into the next category.

 

[Smokin_Joe]

I'd refuse the appointment, not sign anything and call the lawyers in that case.
If you aren't in the high mileage category, the only time that an offer would suddenly change from what the portal has been telling you is if you are close to a mileage breakpoint, and the 2000km they tack on pushes you into the next category.

Should make for an interesting appointment...
Hope they don't try and short change me on the deal...
Thanks for the input

PS we just received notice about the software emissions fix for our 2011
We will not be getting it done ....it clearly states it eliminates your rights to a buyback or trade in under the class action

 

[PlaneCrazy]

We got the letter (or e-mail) today. Too late, car was bought back last June. Meanwhile, my '16 Golf TSI got 5.54 L/100 km on the last tank, I refilled today. That's hand-calculated, and better than the MFD readout (5.7 L/100 km); I adjusted the MFD fuel consumption to 107% using VCDS, so it's now much closer to true. Some tanks a bit above, some a bit below, but averaging pretty close. The wife's wagon, also manual, so far consumes about 0.4 L/100 km more than my hatch.

Now given that the emissions recall increases consumption by 0.4 L/100 km, and I was averaging around 5 with my Mk VI TDI (and my wife around 4.8 with hers), driving more or less the same way on the same routes at the same speeds, I can't say keeping the TDI would have made much sense.

 

[tobianogreg]

Received our BC PST rebate cheque yesterday. $1200 +

 

[Smokin_Joe]

Received our BC PST rebate cheque yesterday. $1200 +

I can't find an emoji of me with my head on the table pounding a fist beside it sooooo
Yeahhh....good for you..
PS...good thing you changed your return date....man that ssoooo unfair...you suck....sigh...congrats

 

[Nuje]

Received our BC PST rebate cheque yesterday. $1200 +

Wait. How (and why) did you get a PST rebate...??

 

[tobianogreg]

How: applied for it. Details at http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/taxes/sales-taxes/pst/refund

Why: because anyone within the four-year time limit that returned their TDI to VW qualifies.

Hope this helps. Sorry Joe. HST/GST next but I suspect it will take a remission order. Working on it.

 

[Smokin_Joe]

How: applied for it. Details at http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/taxes/sales-taxes/pst/refund

Why: because anyone within the four-year time limit that returned their TDI to VW qualifies.

Hope this helps. Sorry Joe. HST/GST next but I suspect it will take a remission order. Working on it.

Oh sure....you still suck....lol

 

[Smokin_Joe]

Wait. How (and why) did you get a PST rebate...??

Psst.....cause he was eligible...To be able to apply.....grrrr

 

[copperbeech]

If you aren't in the high mileage category, the only time that an offer would suddenly change from what the portal has been telling you is if you are close to a mileage breakpoint, and the 2000km they tack on pushes you into the next category.

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As of mid July we have the buyback trade in 'letter' from RP for our 2015 GSW We have had on order (since the start of July) a 2018 GOLF R that was expected in by October but now it may not happen until January 2018. So our GSW has essentially sat in the driveway since mid July and it looks like we will be a one car family until possibly the new year....not easy as you can imagine.
I had submitted the mileage as 28k and change and we probably have another 1500 km till we would hit the extra 2000 km. I was remiss in not knowing the next mileage break point. But I am unsure about this ubiquitous 2k km #. That is, what if it doesn't take the car into the next category? Would their still be a financial penalty for eclipsing the 2000 km?

 

[Scratchy101]

Wait. How (and why) did you get a PST rebate...??

See my post here:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?p=5314046#post5314046

I'm still waiting to see if I get a cheque, but if I do then this means anyone doing the buyback in BC can get the rebate, regardless of the age of their TDI.
See the top of page 9 on this bulletin;
http://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/taxes/sales-taxes/publications/pst-400-refunds.pdf

 

[tobianogreg]

I'm sure you realize this Scratch but if you bought new in '12, your problem is that you paid HST not PST.

 

[Scratchy101]

I'm sure you realize this Scratch but if you bought new in '12, your problem is that you paid HST not PST.

Understood, but this does not prevent one from claiming the PST portion of the HST (7%).
Here is an example of a PST refund for a vehicle purchased when HST was in effect in BC.

Motor Vehicles Removed from BC
If you reside, ordinarily reside or carry on business in BC, you are eligible for a refund of PST paid on a motor vehicle you purchased in BC if:
 within 30 days after the date you purchased the vehicle or the date you took possession of the vehicle (whichever is later), the vehicle was removed from BC for use solely outside BC,
 you established residency in the other jurisdiction, and
 you paid sales tax or the provincial portion of the harmonized sales tax (HST) in the other jurisdiction and you are not entitled to a refund, credit or rebate of that tax, including input tax credits. Note: For the purposes of this refund, the 5% GST is not a sales tax.

I have applied for only the PST portion of the HST I paid.

 

[laminated]

Well I saw a bunch of tdi's at the local wreckers, they are to be crushed whole, just taking the tires etc off,, sad to see

 

[ecode]

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As of mid July we have the buyback trade in 'letter' from RP for our 2015 GSW We have had on order (since the start of July) a 2018 GOLF R that was expected in by October but now it may not happen until January 2018. So our GSW has essentially sat in the driveway since mid July and it looks like we will be a one car family until possibly the new year....not easy as you can imagine.
I had submitted the mileage as 28k and change and we probably have another 1500 km till we would hit the extra 2000 km. I was remiss in not knowing the next mileage break point. But I am unsure about this ubiquitous 2k km #. That is, what if it doesn't take the car into the next category? Would their still be a financial penalty for eclipsing the 2000 km?

If it doesn't bump you into the next categroy, no there isn't.... But you still have to re-schedule anyway.... which is really dumb.

In your case, since the mileage brackets are moving up roughly 4000km every 2 months, maybe your car will sit long enough to 'fall' into a lower one

 

[copperbeech]

maybe your car will sit long enough to 'fall' into a lower one

Kind of like going back in time.

 

[crashtested]

Received our BC PST rebate cheque yesterday. $1200 +

Fingers crossed here too as I sent my paperwork in around the same time you did! Ours was purchased in 2010 but hey, a guy can dream!

 

[chreds]

Understood, but this does not prevent one from claiming the PST portion of the HST (7%).
Here is an example of a PST refund for a vehicle purchased when HST was in effect in BC.


I have applied for only the PST portion of the HST I paid.

For that period there was no "PST portion of the HST". It is all HST. That's one benefit of the HST system is there is only one level of administration. If you wanted to get back the HST, you'd have to go through the federal government. Not sure if that is possible or not.

Anyways--- I just scheduled my appointment for my 2013 Jetta to go in this Thursday for the fix. This is at Fifth Ave Auto in Calgary. I bought the car last summer, so am only eligible for half the payout and I have to get the mod done to be eligible.

 

[Johnny G1]

Well I saw a bunch of tdi's at the local wreckers, they are to be crushed whole, just taking the tires etc off,, sad to see

Where in Canada did you see these car's????

 

[PlaneCrazy]

Well I saw a bunch of tdi's at the local wreckers, they are to be crushed whole, just taking the tires etc off,, sad to see

Our TDI wagon will partly live on this winter... in the form of the alloy wheels we kept from it, which will be used to mount new snow tires on the new replacement TSI wagon.

Presumably the rest of it will be crushed, at least that's what the dealer told us.