Dieselgate, The Canadian Edition

ElectricMayhem

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Returned the car on steelies with 6 year old original rubber, 90 km under the limit, running on fumes. Guy never even started it. They drove me to the bank, which I thought was quite decent of them.

Did you know that often there is a $100 bluetooth module under the passenger seat, attached with velcro only? Just saying.

Good luck to all.
 
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Mike_04GolfTDI

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Many people keep forgetting.. our government doesn't give a rat's a$$ when it comes to the Consumer Protect Act(don't even know why we have it) and also ..when it comes time to take on any large corporations, our government will put their tail between their legs and run for the hills. This goes for every aspect of our government..from housing, automobiles, education, immigration etc,etc. It's an absolute shame, but the sad truth.
We get the government we deserve. If only people would stop voting for idiots.
 

Scratchy101

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It's unlikely that Canada would go so far as to arrest & convict VW executives as they are doing in the US. Our government just does not take this seriously.



http://appsforpcdaily.com/2017/08/former-volkswagen-exec-pleads-guilty-in-dieselgate/

Schmidt's charges were conspiracy to defraud the United States, conspiracy to commit wire fraud, conspiracy to violate the Clean Air Act and violating the Clean Air Act.
Oliver Schmidt is a former manager of a VW engineering office in suburban Detroit.
Another former Volkswagen executive has already pleaded guilty.
Schmidt's attorney declined to comment after the plea hearing.
Schmidt will be sentenced on December 6.
 

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Hello everyone, just got the offer letter for our 2013 TDI. We originally chose the cash option, but we will be getting a 2018 R (already put a deposit on my Tornado Red!) instead. I know we can call and get it changed to a trade relatively easily.

My question is, even if I am one of the first in line to get it, it could be anywhere between October and December 2017 before my car is available. Can you change the buyback date a little later eg. tell them December for now but if it is earlier can they adjust?

Thanks!
 

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Hello everyone, just got the offer letter for our 2013 TDI. We originally chose the cash option, but we will be getting a 2018 R (already put a deposit on my Tornado Red!) instead. I know we can call and get it changed to a trade relatively easily.

My question is, even if I am one of the first in line to get it, it could be anywhere between October and December 2017 before my car is available. Can you change the buyback date a little later eg. tell them December for now but if it is earlier can they adjust?

Thanks!
I think as long as you are farther away than the last 20 days before the appointment you can change the date.
 

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Ha! Escalation guy just called about my appointment disappearing off their website. I went at the scheduled time anyway, car was turned in 4 days ago.

Heckuva job, Ricepoint.

Good luck to all. It is amazing to be on the other side of this, believe me.
 

tobianogreg

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Many people keep forgetting.. our government doesn't give a rat's a$$ when it comes to the Consumer Protect Act(don't even know why we have it) and also ..when it comes time to take on any large corporations, our government will put their tail between their legs and run for the hills. This goes for every aspect of our government..from housing, automobiles, education, immigration etc,etc. It's an absolute shame, but the sad truth.
I won't dispute the above, we are very weak on consumer protection, however I still believe this situation also has a lot to do with CETA (free trade agreement with EU that requires member state ratification).

The fact that VW flagrently violated Canadian vehicle emissions laws and remains largely unpunished here makes the entire Liberal environmental agenda and motivation (ie carbon tax) suspect IMHO.
 

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I'd say we desperately need a lemon law in Ontario. But I don't understand why the Americans couldn't just go to the dealer three times saying "emissions broke, please fix" and get full refunds.
 

Mike_04GolfTDI

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I won't dispute the above, we are very weak on consumer protection, however I still believe this situation also has a lot to do with CETA (free trade agreement with EU that requires member state ratification).
The fact that VW flagrently violated Canadian vehicle emissions laws and remains largely unpunished here makes the entire Liberal environmental agenda and motivation (ie carbon tax) suspect IMHO.
The Liberal agenda to take money from your wallet has never been about the environment. They'll use whatever excuse is fashionable to take your money.

It has always been that way.
 

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I won't dispute the above, we are very weak on consumer protection, however I still believe this situation also has a lot to do with CETA (free trade agreement with EU that requires member state ratification).
The fact that VW flagrently violated Canadian vehicle emissions laws and remains largely unpunished here makes the entire Liberal environmental agenda and motivation (ie carbon tax) suspect IMHO.
Greg, I'd love to sit down and have a cup of java with ya and brainstorm .... Lol.
At the present time I'm currently suing another automobile manufacturer. Unfortunately, I can't divulge any details as I've already been warned once by my lawyer for reaching out and expressing my opinion so to speak....
Hopefully , when it's all said and done I can tell my story. What I can say is that " Our government should be absolutely ashamed of themselves ... Mainly Transport Canada".. Saying they have no teeth is an understatement. We as consumers have f$$kall on our side....The car dealer is your best friend till you leave the lot with your money in their hands and papers signed.... After that your own your own when it comes to any major problems...
Just my honest opinion...
Sorry for the rant.
 

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Coffee sounds great but the only VW-related strategy I need is to recover GST on refunded portion.

It sounds like I'm on the verge of PST recovery (BC) and waiting for rejection from the feds. Apparently there is no legal mechanism that allows CRA to refund GST/HST to individuals under this circumstance.

I half-assed enquired about a class action to recover GST/HST but this would not be worth the expense.

The last option may be applying for a remission order but have to look into this further.

http://taxsolutionscanada.com/back-to-basics-an-overview-of-remission-orders/
 
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Coffee sounds great but the only VW-related strategy I need is to recover GST on refunded portion.

It sounds like I'm on the verge of PST recovery (BC) and waiting for rejection from the feds. Apparently there is no legal mechanism that allows CRA to refund GST/HST to individuals under this circumstance.

I half-assed enquired about a class action to recover GST/HST but this would not be worth the expense.

The last option may be applying for a recission order but have to look into this further.

http://taxsolutionscanada.com/back-to-basics-an-overview-of-remission-orders/
If you dont mind me asking....is the $ amount you are chasing a significant one?
Maybe I am wrong but seems to be not worth the time and effort if not as simple as filling out a form and sending it.
 

Mike_04GolfTDI

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I think the reason Canada has such weak consumer protection is because our market is too small. If the government started putting pressure on businesses, some would just say "You're not worth the trouble" and stop selling their products here.

Then we might have to start manufacturing our own things, but unfortunately there are too many hurdles in the way to make that actually feasible. We've regulated ourselves out of the ability to do anything. Imagine trying to set up a car factory! Every level of government would put up obstacles and have their hand out for money to do endless studies, every site would suddenly be an ancient burial ground until palms are greased, unions would be ready to make the place unprofitable if it ever did get built, and investors wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. Huge companies like Toyota can overcome these obstacles, but for a new Canadian car manufacturer to start up, no way. Of course, if we did de-regulate, then all the large companies would move in and squeeze out the little guy anyway. So, we're stuck with what we've got, I guess, and consumer protection is not part of the equation.
 

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If you dont mind me asking....is the $ amount you are chasing a significant one?
Maybe I am wrong but seems to be not worth the time and effort if not as simple as filling out a form and sending it.
I have fillled out the form (even though BC was using HST sales tax when I bought my TDI) for a 7% refund, which = $1450.54
I have not yet submitted the form as it is unlikely to succeed as it was purchased before the March 31st, 2013 refund deadline, but I may try anyway.

<EDIT>
I just found this here:

Motor Vehicles Returned to a Manufacturer

If, as a result of an independent, impartial, third-
party dispute resolution process, you returned a
motor vehicle to the manufacturer more than one year after the date of purchase,
you may apply for a refund from us of the PST attributable to the amount of the refund or credit of the purchase price provided by the manufacturer.

Looks like I may be in luck after all.
 
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Scratchy101

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Next vehicle: Rav 4 hybrid or CX5 diesel? Any opinions? We do mostly highway driving.
I bought a used CX-5 in anticipation of the 2018 CX-5 diesel next year.
I am addicted to torque and sure notice the lack of it driving the gasser CX-5. It has to downshift from 6th to 5th to accelerate slightly on the freeway and even gets down to 4th when climbing an incline, where the TDI would just go, without even thinking about it.
 

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Scratch: how does the CX5 handle? We took a new gasser Rav 4 for a test drive and I wasn't real impressed. Currently driving a 2004 4runner V8, lots of power but heavy on fuel consumption.
 

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CX-5 is one of the best handling CUV's in it's class with good steering feedback.
Most Toyota's are "boredom on wheels" when it comes to handling and road feel.
I've seen reviews of RAV-4s mentioning the lack of feedback.
I told the Mazda salesman I was waiting for the diesel and that this was an interim purchase. He made the mistake of offering a test drive of the new 2017 MY CX-5 after driving the 2015 (FWD only).
It was a night and day difference in style, appointment, features (loved the HUD) and handling and I almost cancelled the deal to wait for the diesel.
I highly recommend taking one for a test drive.

Fuel mileage on the first tank was 8L/100km which is very good coming from an avg. of 5.9 with the TDI.
 
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I have fillled out the form (even though BC was using HST sales tax when I bought my TDI) for a 7% refund, which = $1450.54
I have not yet submitted the form as it is unlikely to succeed as it was purchased before the March 31st, 2013 refund deadline, but I may try anyway.

<EDIT>
I just found this here:

Motor Vehicles Returned to a Manufacturer

If, as a result of an independent, impartial, third-
party dispute resolution process, you returned a
motor vehicle to the manufacturer more than one year after the date of purchase,
you may apply for a refund from us of the PST attributable to the amount of the refund or credit of the purchase price provided by the manufacturer.

Looks like I may be in luck after all.
Maybe I can claw some $$ back too!
 

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I just received a cheque for $506 from the Millenium Insurance Corp. for a rebate on the extended warranty I purchased through the VW dealer when I bought my TDI.
The money just keeps rolling in.... :D
 

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Thanks. Got some time and will take a test drive later today. Think I'm sold. :)
A good friend of mine has a CX-5 and he loves it, it's a '14 or '15 I think. It's front-wheel drive, automatic. You can get the base model, FWD, with manual, if you can find one.

I'm not really into SUVs but if I was, the CX-5 would be on my short list.
 

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Has anyone who has looked into a CX-5 found out if you can order a diesel model at this time?

I have read that they are only offering it on the (highest) GT trim, at least at launch, which kind of sucks.
 

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Free at last !!!

Finally completed my Early Lease Termination today. My appointment was for 10:00 am, got there early but unfortunately Ricepoint Rep was having a really bad start. I didn't get started until 10:45 am, but once he called me into his office I think it took all but 10 mins maybe.didnt even look car over..verified VIN # and mileage , that was it. Which really surprised me because this was a lease return . Kinda felt sorry for the him, as the customer before me got screwed over(his paperwork/cheque was not sent by Ricepoint to dealer) . Another lady in showroom freaking out over her " fair market value". ,saying she wanted to cancel the whole process.
I had a coffee with the guys in service and joked with them for a bit. A shame really; I feel bad for employees at dealership, because they're not the ones who created this mess. I absolutely love the new Alltrak, had 1 in showroom in Platinum Gray.. A real beauty !!
I took my cheque and got out of there as fast as I could, lots of disgruntled customers, lost keys, misplaced paperwork ... Etc, etc
Boy I'm glad I'm done...
Thank you to everyone on this site: Canadian and American .. All of you have been a great help over last couple of years..
Cheers !!!
 
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