Dieselgate, The Canadian Edition

Phatburner

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Have you driven a CVT lately? Any vehicle with one of these is immediately taken off my list.
Sadly Subaru was an excellent vehicle (my wife had a 2003 Impreza which was one of the best driving vehicles we owned) but has decided to kill the driving experience with these transmissions. Putting 250HP and loads of torque through one of these things was not the smartest thing to do.
I agree entirely. This is again being driven by the EPA. With a CVT you can keep the engine running at a sweet spot in terms of efficiency or emissions or what you choose, and in this case it is emissions. CVT is treated as a non maintainable black box with a hefty price tag as well. Yikes.
 

ecode

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Just as we suspected. So fuel economy will take a hit, but I'll be willing to bet that is only the tip of the iceberg of other issues that will hit anyone who decides to go down that route.
I think I wouldn't mind buying one of the fixed ones if it had a deep discount and the massive warranty in place.

Of course, with the massive glut of them going back to dealers, and the tainted scandal attached to them forever, I doubt they will be hard to come by. Maybe in a couple years, once we have some real info in the long term, they could be a good option for a daily driver.
 

crashtested

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Don't mean to hijack this thread fellas, but has Subaru resolved the issues with the excessive oil consumption on the 2.5 models(non turbo) ?
Always loved these cars, but never offering really good deals...?
I believe they did, based on what I've heard.
Yes they did.

I don't think it's hijacking at this point...More just an owners evolution.
 

PlaneCrazy

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Just as we suspected. So fuel economy will take a hit, but I'll be willing to bet that is only the tip of the iceberg of other issues that will hit anyone who decides to go down that route.
That was another reason for us taking the buyback. I was already the guinea pig for a half-baked design with my 2011 Golf TDI, traded in exasperation just two and a half weeks before dieselgate broke. We didn't want to be guinea pigs for a half-baked fix.

That 2 mpg loss will narrow an already narrow gap between TSI and TDI fuel economy.
 
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way back in this thread I posted that I had to take my dealer, my insurance company, and some others to court to have my A/C compressor replaced.

Short version

Took my Golf TDI to my VW dealer when I had an accident
Insurance won't support me because not a preferred repair facility
Dealership body shop separate company (same building same owner)
Body shop sent my car to a Honda dealer's body shop to be repaired without
my knowledge or consent, after I made clear I wanted this dealership to
repair
Hood was only body part but turbo smashed and total $9K
Ali work done, but A/C not working
Needed new compressor they said, not part of the accident
Settled outside courtroom of mandatory mediation, full repair
Dealership replaced compressor and service manager said there was a tube leading to the compressor with a hole in it.

I said you wanted me to replace the compressor, I drove a year with no A/C, and all this time that tube was the issue?

Service manager asked what I was doing with my TDI. Told him my appt for buyback was set that day, so some third world buyer will have a nice new compressor. I could not trade it in until I made them do the right thing.

I registered for buyback with trade in, sent my docs got my letter offer and sealed the deal in 48 hours. Aug 21st appt. I'm going to trade in for 2018 Golf TSI at another dealership. $18200.00 towards the new Golf with $8200.00 tax free.

The dealer had a 2015 Golf TDI Comfortline with 34K kms for $27K, and I thought about it, but going with the gasser. Don't need any more hassles

I think the ricers respond faster to trade ins, to address a point made earlier. I think they are encouraged to do that

And yes, I should have cut ties with VW after my experiences, but I like the Golf and my cost to own my 2011 was very low considering, and getting into the 2018 makes sense. I already divorced Ford, GM, and Mopar earlier in my life ... they all suck.

Well Mopar after 1970. Got my eye on an upcoming 1963 Polara Max Wedge. Hope I get it.
 

dsldub

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I have my appointment (trade-in) booked for middle of September with one dealer, but I'm considering switching to another dealer, as I may buy the "new" 2018 car from them and not the dealer I setup the appointment with originally.

How hard would it be to switch dealers, and how soon? I assume at least over 20 days before they (Rice) call me to confirm Kms and appointment date?

Or

Can I drop-off the TDI with 1st dealer, and buy new car from 2nd dealer?
Is the trade/new car tied with 1st dealer? Can the FMV cheque be taken to another dealer?


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PlaneCrazy

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I think I wouldn't mind buying one of the fixed ones if it had a deep discount and the massive warranty in place.
Of course, with the massive glut of them going back to dealers, and the tainted scandal attached to them forever, I doubt they will be hard to come by. Maybe in a couple years, once we have some real info in the long term, they could be a good option for a daily driver.
They will still have cracking DPFs, poor HPFPs, sticking exhaust flaps, and intercooler condensation (even with the TSB my Mk VI never got over this).

However, I'd love to pick up a clean ALH on the West Coast and leave it there. We have a secondary residence there for the winter, and ALH in good shape would be a perfect car for us (pref. a wagon, def. a manual).

A CR would have to be cheap indeed before I'd buy one. And the HPFP would have to be covered by that massive warranty.
 

ecode

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I have my appointment (trade-in) booked for middle of September with one dealer, but I'm considering switching to another dealer, as I may buy the "new" 2018 car from them and not the dealer I setup the appointment with originally.

How hard would it be to switch dealers, and how soon? I assume at least over 20 days before they (Rice) call me to confirm Kms and appointment date?

Or

Can I drop-off the TDI with 1st dealer, and buy new car from 2nd dealer?
Is the trade/new car tied with 1st dealer? Can the FMV cheque be taken to another dealer?


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No, you can't, unless both dealers are in the same dealer network, I presume. You also don't even see the FMV when you trade. Only the check for the difference.

Call Ricepoint and get them to modify everything. You'll also need to indicate trade ahead of time. You can't change your mind from buyback to trade when you show up to your appointment.

Essentially you need to have the trade (new purchase) all figured out ahead of time.
 

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And the HPFP would have to be covered by that massive warranty.
It is in the USA Gen I fix. I'm think the same will be true in Canada too. All the trouble points (HPFP, EGR flap, DPF) are covered by the 4.5 year extended fix warrantee.

All that is left for me to pick the fix is to find out what the fix $ compensation is. I thought it was just going to be the restitution money but in the USA letter it says restitution PLUS a percentage of the KBB black book price. That makes sense to me as all the stories of these cars going to the crusher means they need to make the fix a sweet deal to keep from crushing more cars. For example, if I take the buyback and they send my car to the crusher VW is out 21K. If I take the fix and just the restitution VW is out about 6k, 5k restitution and 1k parts and labour. That makes the buyback a better deal for me, but if they sweeten the deal to at least 7k then then the fix starts to makes sense to me considering the additional 4.5 years of warrantee.

My TDI has been faultless for 7+ years and 102,000 km. Seems a wast to crush it.
 

dsldub

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No, you can't, unless both dealers are in the same dealer network, I presume. You also don't even see the FMV when you trade. Only the check for the difference.

Call Ricepoint and get them to modify everything. You'll also need to indicate trade ahead of time. You can't change your mind from buyback to trade when you show up to your appointment.

Essentially you need to have the trade (new purchase) all figured out ahead of time.
That's what I feared. I selected trade in already for mid-September, but nothing is figured out as far as the new car. Problem is, 2018 are not out yet. Can't for the life of me, buy a car sight unseen. call me old school maybe.

The TDI needs emissions and sticker renewal come September, something I would like to avoid all together, since it's going back, (I could drive it without and risk the fine if caught...) and kinda why I picked September for trade-in date.

Can I still trade-in (September) and pick new car in October?
I believe I can change dealers still, as long as I guess they look after both old and new car? I remember seeing something to that effect as far as being able to switch dealers on the portal.
 

ecode

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It is in the USA Gen I fix. I'm think the same will be true in Canada too. All the trouble points (HPFP, EGR flap, DPF) are covered by the 4.5 year extended fix warrantee.
All that is left for me to pick the fix is to find out what the fix $ compensation is. I thought it was just going to be the restitution money but in the USA letter it says restitution PLUS a percentage of the KBB black book price. That makes sense to me as all the stories of these cars going to the crusher means they need to make the fix a sweet deal to keep from crushing more cars. For example, if I take the buyback and they send my car to the crusher VW is out 21K. If I take the fix and just the restitution VW is out about 6k, 5k restitution and 1k parts and labour. That makes the buyback a better deal for me, but if they sweeten the deal to at least 7k then then the fix starts to makes sense to me considering the additional 4.5 years of warrantee.
My TDI has been faultless for 7+ years and 102,000 km. Seems a wast to crush it.
Ignore the US settlement, nothing about their valuations affect Canada. You will get $5,100 total if you do the fix (assuming you bought before September 2015). That is it. And, you'll only get it all after the fix is complete.... if this Gen 1 fix is anything like the Gen 3, it will have multiple parts. The warranty will start as soon as you get any parts of the fix done, so if there's a 1 year wait for parts of something between part 1 and 2 (like there is for Gen 3), you only get half of the money for part 1 and then the rest for part 2.

Side note, ANYONE who purchased a TDI after September 2015, if it is not a Manual Passat can ONLY do fix now (and only half of the monies). No buyback options available.
 
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ecode

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That's what I feared. I selected trade in already for mid-September, but nothing is figured out as far as the new car. Problem is, 2018 are not out yet. Can't for the life of me, buy a car sight unseen. call me old school maybe.

The TDI needs emissions and sticker renewal come September, something I would like to avoid all together, since it's going back, (I could drive it without and risk the fine if caught...) and kinda why I picked September for trade-in date.

Can I still trade-in (September) and pick new car in October?
I believe I can change dealers still, as long as I guess they look after both old and new car? I remember seeing something to that effect as far as being able to switch dealers on the portal.
Whether you can delay the actual purchase will likely be up to your dealer....

Your E-test is free now, and your plates transfer over to the new car, so you aren't out any money keeping it until October.
 

dsldub

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Whether you can delay the actual purchase will likely be up to your dealer.....
Not really my fault, I'm ready to buy now. Im only delaying the trade because 2018 are not out yet this year for some reason. Any other year, and they'd be out by now. No pricing available either....Will see.
Reason I want to switch dealers is mostly because they don't want to play ball with me. They pretty much want me to commit ($1000 deposit) to something I've never seen yet other than pictures.
I'm going to Europe next month and rented a wagon (Focus SW or similar), I may luck out and get the new '18 wagon "TDI" to try out.
 

PlaneCrazy

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Not really my fault, I'm ready to buy now. Im only delaying the trade because 2018 are not out yet this year for some reason. Any other year, and they'd be out by now. No pricing available either....Will see.
Reason I want to switch dealers is mostly because they don't want to play ball with me. They pretty much want me to commit ($1000 deposit) to something I've never seen yet other than pictures.
I'm going to Europe next month and rented a wagon (Focus SW or similar), I may luck out and get the new '18 wagon "TDI" to try out.
It's still a bit early for the '18s. I bought my '16 Golf at the end of August '15, and it was one of the first '16s to arrive at the dealer.

They should however, have the pricing and options available by now.
 

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That's what I feared. I selected trade in already for mid-September, but nothing is figured out as far as the new car. Problem is, 2018 are not out yet. Can't for the life of me, buy a car sight unseen. call me old school maybe.

The TDI needs emissions and sticker renewal come September, something I would like to avoid all together, since it's going back, (I could drive it without and risk the fine if caught...) and kinda why I picked September for trade-in date.

Can I still trade-in (September) and pick new car in October?
I believe I can change dealers still, as long as I guess they look after both old and new car? I remember seeing something to that effect as far as being able to switch dealers on the portal.
I am in same situation. Here is what I have being told by the closest VW dealer: Trade-in is against an existing VIN number.

I am waiting for prices, supposed to be released by middle of August. I can place an order with refundable security deposit as soon prices are known. Dealer then send order to factory (if not included in their pack of already ordered lot of vehicles for 2018). As soon as dealer receives list of VIN numbers assigned to its order (2-3 weeks before arrivals), picks one from the list that meets my order, and gives that VIN to me. Then I would call Rice-Point and set appointment asap, if I were in a hurry.
 

Rob_MacCara

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When did you register and picked your final dealer to do the transaction?
I know that the Audi dealership told me they've contacted RicePoint or whoever and asked them to add their location to the list of dealers but when I was doing this it still wasnt available. Well anyways...
Congrats on the new car...hopefully my deal goes as smooth as yours.
I started this process on the 28th of April, and on about June 6th chose my dealer as VW of Moncton. About a week later I was able to change to Audi of Moncton for the Trade-in location. Still had to return it to the VW side of the parking lot.
Love the new car so far - I'm getting about 650+ kms to a tank and so far been using premium fuel.
 

copperbeech

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At the time of purchase of a brand new 2015 TDI GSW we opted to include the VW 5 Star Mechanical Breakdown Warranty (10 years). We are accepting the buy back offer with trade in. In advance of the actual return of the car is there a way to obtain a prorated refund of this warranty?
 
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ecode

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At the time of purchase of a brand new 2015 TDI GSW we opted to include the VW 5 Star Mechanical Breakdown Warranty (10 years). We are accepting the buy back offer with trade in. In advance of the actual return of the car is there a way to obtain a prorated refund of this warranty?
Depends who the underwriter is. If it's one that is administrated by LGM, then No, VW told them to stop issueing refunds due to the scandal a few months ago.
 

copperbeech

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Thanks ecode. So warranties purchased directly through VW at the time of purchase can have different underwriters and so be treated differently in terms of a refund?
 

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I started this process on the 28th of April, and on about June 6th chose my dealer as VW of Moncton. About a week later I was able to change to Audi of Moncton for the Trade-in location. Still had to return it to the VW side of the parking lot.
Love the new car so far - I'm getting about 650+ kms to a tank and so far been using premium fuel.
Right on. Got me worried there for a second, thought that I maybe had to change dealerships or something...haha.


Submitted documents on May 1st....and about 17 fingernails eaten, 3lbs of hair lost and about 10 ulcers...my affair with the TDI came to an end last Friday.
 

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turtlegirl

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To fix or not to fix

Hello all,
I'm sure my question has been answered already here, but could someone please send me the link, or let me know what the fix is for my 2014 Passat TDI? Save me reading through 415 pages of threads? How will it affect my vehicle? Less power? Worse fuel efficiency?
The debate begins about whether I should fix, or get rid of it. Problem is finding a sedan with manual transmission these days.
Thanks!
 

ecode

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Hello all,
I'm sure my question has been answered already here, but could someone please send me the link, or let me know what the fix is for my 2014 Passat TDI? Save me reading through 415 pages of threads? How will it affect my vehicle? Less power? Worse fuel efficiency?
The debate begins about whether I should fix, or get rid of it. Problem is finding a sedan with manual transmission these days.
Thanks!
www.vwcanadasettlement.ca
 

ecode

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Thanks ecode. So warranties purchased directly through VW at the time of purchase can have different underwriters and so be treated differently in terms of a refund?
Pretty much, yes. The ones that VW sells (not to be confused by ones that the dealer might also offer from a different third party) - but the ones VW administrates via a company called LGM - THOSE are not begin refunded... anymore. They were back in February.

I'm taking them to small claims, personally, as I have documented proof of requesting cancellation in February, when they were still providing them. I was literally a couple days late after they arbitrarily decided to stop issuing refunds.
 

crashtested

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Received the confirmation call yesterday. The poor guy calling, I had him totally flustered asking about coming in with less km's than estimated; would it mean a bonus cheque and what he meant when he said make sure the car is in "good condition"... 20 days and counting.
 

copperbeech

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but the ones VW administrates via a company called LGM - THOSE are not begin refunded... anymore. They were back in February.
I just checked and our 10 year/200000 km 5 Star warranty obtained through the dealership at the time of purchase is LGM. It is clearly unfair that refunds stopped as of February. It should be a prorated refund and so a cut off as of February doesnt make sense.

So we have the almost $3k warranty + 3M protection film + mud guards + rear bumper protector all purchased through the dealership in advance of the delivery of our then much anticipated first VW (2015 TDI). All these add ons were not trivial expenses that will not be recovered :mad:.
I guess I am being naive that I can mention these "all for naught" purchases
when negotiating the final price of our preordered 2018 Golf R :eek:.
 
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