Dieselgate, The Canadian Edition

[CDN_TDi]

Thats the thing....the Audi dealership was not listed in the list of dealerships when submitting the claim on the portal. Called RicerPoint and the Audi dealership and both said that I should choose the VW location where I am turning it into and that the Audi dealership which wasnt listed will know the details. When I was called to verify my mileage, the dude also confirmed that is the case....

You may have done this already... For anyone doing an Audi/VW trade-in, ensure it's stated on your Offer to Purchase agreement that the TDI emissions settlement trade-in amount be included - in writing - on that offer (new/CPO/ACP). As others have noted, it depends on the dealer's bank if you can endorse for immediate down payment (on surrender date) or if there's a "hold" on settlement cheque.
Get it in writing, please don't assume anything is good to go based on verbal chats.
Good luck FVWVWF !

 

[FVWVWF]

You may have done this already... For anyone doing an Audi/VW trade-in, ensure it's stated on your Offer to Purchase agreement that the TDI emissions settlement trade-in amount be included - in writing - on that offer (new/CPO/ACP). As others have noted, it depends on the dealer's bank if you can endorse for immediate down payment (on surrender date) or if there's a "hold" on settlement cheque.
Get it in writing, please don't assume anything is good to go based on verbal chats.
Good luck FVWVWF !

Totally agree.
My pre-signed agreement does state in the comments field, that my trade-in amount is based on my the number that comes out of the settlement. So it could be plus/minus the amount provided in the settlement.
I have stated this already but the additional money (aka downpayment) will be coming out of my own pocket....and I'll repay myself with the cheque so that I dont run into any delays at the dealership.
Oh...and thanks!

 

[laminated]

In theory yes. However, this did not happen for my surrender (turn-in) appt. The dealer manager was not happy as this occurred over several days with other appts that week, perhaps isolated to an incompetent specialist. You simply can NOT assume anything will be done for you in this process. I called in advance to confirm package (w/ cheque) arrival. Good luck everyone...

I luckily called ahead and thats when they said cheque is in their hands,,

 

[paperthin]

Thats the thing....the Audi dealership was not listed in the list of dealerships when submitting the claim on the portal. Called RicerPoint and the Audi dealership and both said that I should choose the VW location where I am turning it into and that the Audi dealership which wasnt listed will know the details. When I was called to verify my mileage, the dude also confirmed that is the case....

I had this problem also, and could not find a solution at the time. So....i disconnected the trade in altogether. I bought my Audi and parked my jetta. The Audi dealership was good enough to honor a 234$ discount on my purchase because i had showed them the FMV for my jetta. I am sure if my FMV was much higher it would have been a different battle.

 

[Phatburner]

Well, so much for the new Alltrack... Went to the coast and bought a 2016 Outback 6MT Touring this weekend.

I almost went that route myself. However then I test drove the subaru and noticed how gutless and heavy it felt and went looking elsewhere. I ended up buying a toyota tacoma with a 6spd manual. The fuel mileage is about the same as the outback and I get plenty of power if I want it and can haul stuff. I miss the low end torque of a diesel of course, but super happy with the truck and glad to be rid of that last TDI which was the worst of the VW's I've owned. Appt on Aug 03. Can't wait for this to be done.

 

[crashtested]

I almost went that route myself. However then I test drove the subaru and noticed how gutless and heavy it felt and went looking elsewhere. I ended up buying a toyota tacoma with a 6spd manual. The fuel mileage is about the same as the outback and I get plenty of power if I want it and can haul stuff. I miss the low end torque of a diesel of course, but super happy with the truck and glad to be rid of that last TDI which was the worst of the VW's I've owned. Appt on Aug 03. Can't wait for this to be done.

Funny the wife found the Tacoma to be gutless too and I didn't/don't like either but she's happy. A truck would have been ok, but the wagon suits our family needs better.

Now to find some "go fast" bits for this 2.5i in hopes of making it a little better.

 

[Rob_MacCara]

Has anyone here completed a Trade-In but picked up an Audi instead a VW?
I understand that Audi gets a list from VW of all those who are doing trade-in's and they also get a list of amounts. But wondering if there is anything extra or special that must be done when dealing with two separate buildings. (providing VW and Audi are not at the same location)

I traded my VW for an Audi - first to drop it off at the VW dealer (Moncton) and got the paperwork/cheque, then the rep marched me across the parking lot to the Audi dealer. My FMV had gone up a bit in the meantime, so Audi quickly adjusted the bill of sale and I saved a few bucks on taxes.
I was able to pick the Audi dealer from the portal.
The turning in/picking up new went very smoothly.

 

[Lucsar]

Gentlemen: quick question please...

1. Early Lease Termination: Can I show up to my appointment with only the vehicle portion of the ownership ?

I have a brand new validation sticker on my plates(June 2018) and I want to hand in these plates back to the Ministry Office to get a refund. I will need the plate portion at the Ministry.

Just wanted to know if I only need the vehicle portion at my turn in appointment ?

Thanks,

 

[CDN_TDi]

I traded my VW for an Audi - first to drop it off at the VW dealer (Moncton) and got the paperwork/cheque, then the rep marched me across the parking lot to the Audi dealer. My FMV had gone up a bit in the meantime, so Audi quickly adjusted the bill of sale and I saved a few bucks on taxes.
I was able to pick the Audi dealer from the portal.
The turning in/picking up new went very smoothly.

Congrats on the new ride Rob !

 

[PlaneCrazy]

I almost went that route myself. However then I test drove the subaru and noticed how gutless and heavy it felt and went looking elsewhere. I ended up buying a toyota tacoma with a 6spd manual. The fuel mileage is about the same as the outback and I get plenty of power if I want it and can haul stuff. I miss the low end torque of a diesel of course, but super happy with the truck and glad to be rid of that last TDI which was the worst of the VW's I've owned. Appt on Aug 03. Can't wait for this to be done.

For those not willing to give up on VW yet and still wanting a compact efficient hatch or wagon, here are recent results from my '16 Golf 1.8 TSI. No unusual driving techniques other than anticipating lights and following speed limits on mostly rural 80-90 km/h roads with some 100 km/h autoroute.

Range after refuelling last Saturday

Long-term fuel efficiency since last month:

Short-term, after 40 km stuck behind a motorhome doing 80 km/h on rural two-lane roads:

Caveat, the MFD is consistently 0.4 L/100 km optimistic, so the long-term number is actually 5.7, and the short term drive (last pic) 4.8.

That still ain't bad for a gasser burning RUG... and these kinds of numbers figured into our buying a TSI wagon for my wife to replace her TDI. The only thing matching the practicality of her TDI wagon was an SUV, and no SUV will even come close to those numbers. The low-end torque isn't bad either, at 185 lb-ft starting at 1600 RPM, that's better than a 1.9 ALH or PD. The car is nicely broken-in with 47k km.

 

[dsldub]

For those not willing to give up on VW yet and still wanting a compact efficient hatch or wagon, here are recent results from my '16 Golf 1.8 TSI. No unusual driving techniques other than anticipating lights and following speed limits on mostly rural 80-90 km/h roads with some 100 km/h autoroute.

Range after refuelling last Saturday

Long-term fuel efficiency since last month:

Short-term, after 40 km stuck behind a motorhome doing 80 km/h on rural two-lane roads:

Caveat, the MFD is consistently 0.4 L/100 km optimistic, so the long-term number is actually 5.7, and the short term drive (last pic) 4.8.

That still ain't bad for a gasser burning RUG... and these kinds of numbers figured into our buying a TSI wagon for my wife to replace her TDI. The only thing matching the practicality of her TDI wagon was an SUV, and no SUV will even come close to those numbers. The low-end torque isn't bad either, at 185 lb-ft starting at 1600 RPM, that's better than a 1.9 ALH or PD. The car is nicely broken-in with 47k km.

You really have to baby the car to pull that off, something I could easily do with the TDI, even with a heavy right foot.

 

[FVWVWF]

I traded my VW for an Audi - first to drop it off at the VW dealer (Moncton) and got the paperwork/cheque, then the rep marched me across the parking lot to the Audi dealer. My FMV had gone up a bit in the meantime, so Audi quickly adjusted the bill of sale and I saved a few bucks on taxes.
I was able to pick the Audi dealer from the portal.
The turning in/picking up new went very smoothly.

When did you register and picked your final dealer to do the transaction?
I know that the Audi dealership told me they've contacted RicePoint or whoever and asked them to add their location to the list of dealers but when I was doing this it still wasnt available. Well anyways...
Congrats on the new car...hopefully my deal goes as smooth as yours.

 

[PlaneCrazy]

You really have to baby the car to pull that off, something I could easily do with the TDI, even with a heavy right foot.

I drive it exactly as I did my TDI. I'd consume around 1 L/100 km less with the TDI. At 120 on the autoroute, I'm getting around 6.3-6.5. Still not bad for a gasser, and exactly what my 2005 Passat TDI got when new. And better than the Passat now (now my son's car), with 300k km.

 

[crashtested]

Lightening fast!

Called RP and reverted from buyback with trade-in to straight buyback on Sunday July 23...

Submitted documents July 23.
Documents approved July 24.
Offer Letter received, signed and returned July 25.
Booking appoint for Aug NOW!



Booked for 12pm Aug 19!

 

[CDN_TDi]

I drive it exactly as I did my TDI. I'd consume around 1 L/100 km less with the TDI. At 120 on the autoroute, I'm getting around 6.3-6.5. Still not bad for a gasser, and exactly what my 2005 Passat TDI got when new. And better than the Passat now (now my son's car), with 300k km.

Thanks for sharing PlaneCrazy - impressive results. My routes include a lot of city, so my MK7 avg is ~7.5-7.8 range so far. Miss low-end TDI torque. Found myself going back to MK4 1.8T days... spooling up the turbo. This MK7 is almost too refined a ride tho but don't miss window reg, coilpacks & other fun times from days past!

 

[PlaneCrazy]

Thanks for sharing PlaneCrazy - impressive results. My routes include a lot of city, so my MK7 avg is ~7.5-7.8 range so far. Miss low-end TDI torque. Found myself going back to MK4 1.8T days... spooling up the turbo. This MK7 is almost too refined a ride tho but don't miss window reg, coilpacks & other fun times from days past!

I find the gearing compensates pretty well for the torque. I scoot up hills in 5th without ever downshifting. The torque comes on nice and low, just less of it. Still at 185 lb-ft it beats the stock torque of any PD or ALH.

 

[Phatburner]

For those not willing to give up on VW yet and still wanting a compact efficient hatch or wagon, here are recent results from my '16 Golf 1.8 TSI. No unusual driving techniques other than anticipating lights and following speed limits on mostly rural 80-90 km/h roads with some 100 km/h autoroute.

That's pretty impressive performance considering the drive that you get at that economy. That's what I always loved about my TDIs. I couldn't in good conscience reward that company with any further business though.

With respect to the gutless comment; I wonder if that was due to being so familiar with the bottom end torque the TDI gave us? The Tacoma needs to see some revs to develop any power. Above 3k at least and it is like a different truck entirely. I'm talking about the V6. The ECU programming will limit torque severely below 2k and it feels terrible if you are in the wrong gear. Took some getting used to after driving diesels for so many years. I may have made the same mistake when I test drove the Subaru, I don't recall revving it much as I was in a lot of traffic. I'm glad that we are all finding alternatives to our old beloved VW's that we can be happy with.

A week from tomorrow and my problem child is history.

 

[Manu]

TSI is gutless compared to my TDI. Wife's Golf needs to be revved up and turbo has to be spooled up to see anything out of it. It's going to take a lot of getting used to once I make the switch to my own TSi, but I think one of the first mod will be a JB1 module.

This was accomplished being extremely careful, a lot of coasting and on cruise control, and being mindful of fuel economy, something I can do with the TDI without thinking of it. Can it be done with the TSi? yes, but only for a very short period.
I see the same #'s as CDN_TDI.

Untitled by MANU 01, on Flickr

 

[PlaneCrazy]

I can manage it pretty consistently. I used to drive my TDI the same way. It don't get the gutless comment though, peak torque is 185 lb-ft, 200 on the automatics, and it starts at a very low 1600 RPM. It's like driving a 1.9 PD that has a top end. I've never heard the term "gutless" applied to the torque of a PD! (177 lb-ft @ 1750 RPM)

The wider gear ratios do take some getting used to though. I find my TSI pulls better in 5th than my TDI did in 6th, I rarely have to shift out of 5th on the hills around here that required dropping out of 6th in my TDI, 6th on the TDI being a much taller gear. The gaps between gears is probably why people complain about it being gutless.

 

[Phatburner]

Yup switching from a long stroke diesel to an over square rev happy engine takes a significant change of approach and I'm not talking about any kind of 'performance oriented driving'. It was a bit shocking to be going up the first steep hills I encountered, pushing the pedal in 6th and seeing the speed dropping like a stone, grabbing 5th and seeing more of the same. Downshifting 2 gears is the new way of life when it used to be just a little more pedal with the TDI. However, the drop in thermal efficiency with this gasser combined with the small cabin volume means I don't have to freeze my nose off waiting for heat in the cold winter. I won't miss that. There are pluses and minuses as with anything. So far....still smiling.

 

[crashtested]

Ugh - Still coming to grips with the 2.5i in this Outback.

It'll pull the big mountain passes out here; but not in 6th and even then with a down shift from 5th to 4th there isn't a whole lot of oomph like the TDI where you could make a pass, in 6th! Just a different way of getting from A-B I guess.

 

[Rod B]

Ugh - Still coming to grips with the 2.5i in this Outback.

It'll pull the big mountain passes out here; but not in 6th and even then with a down shift from 5th to 4th there isn't a whole lot of oomph like the TDI where you could make a pass, in 6th! Just a different way of getting from A-B I guess.

Did you consider the Subaru Forester with the 250hp 2.0 liter turbo? I drove one of these & liked it.

 

[crashtested]

Did you consider the Subaru Forester with the 250hp 2.0 liter turbo? I drove one of these & liked it.

No manual, never came into the equation.

 

[Lucsar]

Did you consider the Subaru Forester with the 250hp 2.0 liter turbo? I drove one of these & liked it.

No manual, never came into the equation.

Don't mean to hijack this thread fellas, but has Subaru resolved the issues with the excessive oil consumption on the 2.5 models(non turbo) ?

Always loved these cars, but never offering really good deals...?

 

[ecode]

Don't mean to hijack this thread fellas, but has Subaru resolved the issues with the excessive oil consumption on the 2.5 models(non turbo) ?
Always loved these cars, but never offering really good deals...?

I believe they did, based on what I've heard.

 

[PlaneCrazy]

I couldn't in good conscience reward that company with any further business though.

I thoroughly get that. I did the same thing to GM 30 years ago...

Believe me I seriously considered the alternatives. But we needed a compact, affordable, manual, and fuel efficient practical vehicle to carry our bikes & gear; I prefer the bikes in the car than on the rear bumper; sometimes I have to put them on the roof, but that kills fuel economy.

Looking at the manual transmission alternatives out there, it pretty much boiled down to an Outback/Forester, neither option of which thrilled me; there was the base CX-5 which has, theoretically, a manual on the FWD; as does the new Nissan Qashquai; but they came up short in other areas (no CarPlay for instance, and not as fuel-efficient as a Golf TSI). I don't need AWD, and the fuel efficiency and lack of manual was a deal breaker on most smaller SUVs. And we preferred a wagon to an SUV. The only car station wagons out there besides the GSW (and to some extent the Outback), are Audi, Volvo, BMW, Mercedes, all four of which are outrageously priced. My wife can easily afford one, but not willing to dump good money on a logo, for a car that does nothing more than a GSW could do.

So in the final analysis only a GSW could replace a GSW, and throw in the sales tax reduction by doing a trade in, we both held our noses and got another GSW. So far the car has been fine, it's a lovely car to drive just like my Mk VII hatch (which I bought just before dieselgate broke), and we have a pretty decent dealer. Fingers and toes crossed that it continues to deliver for many more years. It will likely end up on the Wet Coast in 2 years so it has the potential to last a long time. We plan to be bi-coastal and keep one car in the east, one in the west.

 

[Phatburner]

The manual gearbox was at the top of my list too. They are getting scarce in new vehicles. Never owned an automatic. This is one of the main points that led me to a truck. You have more options for a manual transmission in a truck. Some of the small trucks are getting comparable fuel economy to the average SUV and real 4WD if you want that. I was really happy with my first TDI and not so much with the new one except on the fuel economy aspect. I had been running B100 biofuel in the first one but the salesman convinced me the new TDI's were so squeeky clean it was not a concern that I had to put petroleum in the tank. Honestly I think my first TDI was damn clean even without the biofuel. There was never a hint of soot on the back. I think all the extra emmissions tech only ruined the drivability. Now I'm driving less than 10k a year so I consider it still a small enviromental footprint even though I am in a truck. Never imagined I'd see the day, but these constraints of manual gearbox and others that I put on my new ride just pushed me in this direction.

 

[tobianogreg]

Fix reported for older TDI's?

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1AC2F3

 

[Scratchy101]

CVT Transmissions

Did you consider the Subaru Forester with the 250hp 2.0 liter turbo? I drove one of these & liked it.

Have you driven a CVT lately? Any vehicle with one of these is immediately taken off my list.
Sadly Subaru was an excellent vehicle (my wife had a 2003 Impreza which was one of the best driving vehicles we owned) but has decided to kill the driving experience with these transmissions. Putting 250HP and loads of torque through one of these things was not the smartest thing to do.

 

[Phatburner]

Just as we suspected. So fuel economy will take a hit, but I'll be willing to bet that is only the tip of the iceberg of other issues that will hit anyone who decides to go down that route.