GoFaster
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And I'm sure the lawyers for both sides have already gone over this in court, and came up with a compromise.
Dieselgate, The Canadian Edition
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PlaneCrazy
Top Post Dawg
No kidding...
Not much more to add here, just going to wait to see what happens. However if the naysayers manage to block an agreement for several months again, I will be mightily pissed, we will have to cancel our new wagon.
Nebelwerfer
Veteran Member
Here's the fun fact of the day - your beliefs don't mean jack **** to anyone here. Grab your Birkenstocks and go eat some more granola while you come to grips with that.
I'll be driving my unfixed car into the ground due to the fact that there is no maditory fix...it's all voluntary. The majority of provinces don't have emissions testing either.
For the member who posted this is Turing into Facebook part deux- spot on.
Regards
Pachena
Member
It should have ZERO to do with compromise.
Pachena
Member
+1000... and don't forget to hug a tree and kiss David Suzuki
.And yeah, the pipeline with the dirty tarsand oil is coming to your doorsteps.
BTW good luck driving your Model 3 for 15 -20 years.
Pachena
Member
Yup. Agree. I still have a right to them.
Sure. And that's fine. I just don't think it should be voluntary.
And, if it wasn't voluntary -- there would be a lot more p'd off TDI owners demanding a "fair" settlement.
In the US, I believe you don't get the payment until you get the fix. Why wouldn't that be fair?
Yes. Testing recently ended here, supposedly because newer cars were cleaner. I remember going through once with my previous TDI - and it failed. The guy said that it was "impossible" - and made me drive around the facility and do it again (for free!) so he could pass me. Little did either of us know!!
Also, just because there is no regular/mandatory testing, that does not mean that there are not regulations and (legal) limits.
Pachena
Member
Thanks!
grey matter
Veteran Member
I smell a "Troll" here, time to move on little fella
Pachena
Member
Folks have to remind themselves of what the lawsuit was all about.No kidding...
Not much more to add here, just going to wait to see what happens. However if the naysayers manage to block an agreement for several months again, I will be mightily pissed, we will have to cancel our new wagon.
It was about being sold vehicles that were not legal to be sold, and in many places actually illegal to be on the road.
The remedy (settlement) should address the issues.
It's not about receiving a windfall, or bunch of unexpected money. It's about (full) redress and damages for those of us that were harmed by VW actions.
There are obviously some/many folks who don't care about the NOx issue, and want to keep driving their un-fixed vehicles who, obviously haven't been harmed by VW's actions, or at the very least have been harmed a heck of a lot less than others who are concerned about the actual reasons for the class-action.
I don't want this to drag on either. I want to be rid of my car. Every time I drive my vehicle, I risk totaling it, and if that occurs, I get the cash payment portion only -- no buy back, probably resulting in a reduced settlement from the insurance company.
Dragging this out (without any changes) only helps VW as affected vehicles are totaled/become undrivable, or otherwise become ineligible for the highest redress possible.
But I don't want a quick settlement at the expense of a fair settlement. I don't want VW to get off with less of a smack than they deserve.
JohnNS
Veteran Member
Their beliefs mean something to me. BOOM, fun fact disproven. Grab your dented beer can, go roll some coal, and come to grips with whatever you like to grip on lonely Saturday nights.
Aww, wasn't that fun?
Pachena
Member
I could call you names, too -- but that would be wrong (that's a hint, in case you missed it!).
For what it's worth:
I purchased a new 99 Jetta TDI. Loved that car, and drove it until a valve went through a piston on my way home from work one day (not Timing belt related). Repair cost would have been more than vehicle value. There was no doubt I was going to get another TDI and was planning on another Jetta. Went to the dealership and saw the Passat. VW then had an on again, off again with selling TDI Passats -- I think they brought them back in 2012?. Our "new car" account was large enough to get the Passat, so we did.
It was a new 2013 Passat TDI Highline (with Tech and Sport packages). Loved it, until I discovered that VW had lied to me and tricked me into buying what I thought was a "clean diesel".
VW is about to lose a long time VW owner (when I was younger I also owned a few beetles - a 1966 and 2 different 1965's).
I thought about Opting out of the settlement, but I work and had to factor in the time, cost and what "extra" I truly expected I might get above what the settlement was offering. So I opted to remain in, and file an "Objection" (apparently I was 1 of about 500).
To use Ivanka's "complicit" logic, if being a troll means trying to constructively add to the conversation, then I'm a troll.
uchu
Veteran Member
You really seem to have a lot of time in your hands. And a huge grudge against VW (and everyone who disagrees with your views).
To be honest, you'd be feeling more at home commenting in the TDI FB group. Cheers.
Geekydaddy
Member
Maybe you should vote him off the island
Thank you for the feedback, I guess I was wrong about Friday the 7th.
Pachena
Member
Days off, and some free time.
A grudge against VW - absolutely. They ripped me off when I bought my car (not on Sept 18, 2015) and are hoping to do so again with this settlement.
A grudge against everyone who disagrees with me -- nope. Not in the least. I haven't meant to offend anyone, only change a few opinions. People have a right to their own opinion, including me.
There are at least a few here that even agree with me.
I've tried to say what I believe, including my reasons.
There is no such thing as a "right" opinion.
This wouldn't be much of a discussion forum if everyone agreed with each other.
I never got into FB. I thought it would be a fad, like MySpace. (I admit to being more than a little wrong on that one!)
Im not here jumping on ya because I dont get involved in internet drama....but that comment right there is probably the quote of 2016. I love hearing that one. Totally believable whenever someone says it.
Like fuk.
Manu
Veteran Member
Anyone know what are the kilometer bracket that KBB uses to estimate car value?
Like from:
100-120K = $$$$
120-140K = $$$
140-160K = $$
or something similar?
Like from:
100-120K = $$$$
120-140K = $$$
140-160K = $$
or something similar?
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Lister
Veteran Member
- Joined
- Jul 29, 2016
- Location
- Vancouver
- TDI
- 2005 Z4, 2007 Audi A3 RIP, 2013 Jetta Dirty Diesel, 2013 BMW 328i
I think I will jump in to change up the feeling around here.
Last week my wife calls me saying our TDI is doing funny stuff (really jerky, and abnormal revving, and the CEL came on).
That was enough for us as we went car shopping in Vancouver on the weekend, and now we take delivery of our 2013 BMW 328i CPO on Wednesday.
The way I looked at this was I know that we will get approx $24k as per the CBB estimator, So if the judge gives us anything above that then even better.
I have been trying to not put any money into this VW car, and with the 1.9% loan rate from BMW, it was a no brainer as we got an awesome deal.
Anyone else getting ready to do the same?
Last week my wife calls me saying our TDI is doing funny stuff (really jerky, and abnormal revving, and the CEL came on).
That was enough for us as we went car shopping in Vancouver on the weekend, and now we take delivery of our 2013 BMW 328i CPO on Wednesday.
The way I looked at this was I know that we will get approx $24k as per the CBB estimator, So if the judge gives us anything above that then even better.
I have been trying to not put any money into this VW car, and with the 1.9% loan rate from BMW, it was a no brainer as we got an awesome deal.
Anyone else getting ready to do the same?
n1d0n
Veteran Member
Good Idea to change the vibe around here a bit..
I almost pulled the trigger on a new canyon duramax as my needs have changed but I am waiting for the final decision and then I will order it.
Armby
Veteran Member
The ranges are different for each year (and maybe for each model). Play with the CBB estimator on the settlement site to figure it out for your car.
joey003
Veteran Member
Nice, congrats on the replacement.
I replaced my Jetta last summer (was originally going to the summer before but when the scandal hit I held off). We've also been looking for a replacement for my wife's Golf Wagon. Looking at several small SUVs. I really like the 2018 Tiguan, but looks like it's a good 4 months or so away.
Manu
Veteran Member
I have a 2010 GSW Highline 6MT with x kms. What I'm trying to find out is where do I exceed x amount of kms and get bumped into the next bracket. Come summer I tend to drive a lot....
You're gonna have to play a bit. This varies, depends on the year, model and probably province too. (who knows). I do not think there is a formula of any kind...if there is, Id like to know too.
For my 2012 my price doesnt change 120k-161k...for others price changed at 140k.
Pachena
Member
I still have the glossy Passat brochure from VW - those are the words VW used.
cconrad
Veteran Member
Back in 2013 the brochure may very well have said clean diesel. I bet it was cleaner than previous models. You nor anyone else knew what the marketing term "clean diesel" meant, if you considered the term at all during your pre purchase information gathering it would rank below 5% assuming it actually meant something to you at the time.
Not to say such people dont exist but I have never came across anyone going out there in search of a new car with a calculator and some charts comparing emissions between vehicles and choosing the most "cleanest" one based on that alone. I have yet to hear or see anyone take into consideration when choosing between vehicles. If such people do exist, I am sure they ended up in some hybrid car or a Fred Flinstone car...and definitely not a TDI. But in these times...I have seen stranger things so who knows.
It's pretty said what this is coming down to here ... people arguing stupid "clean diesel" brochure marketing which somehow makes the diesel gate worse? Really?
Seriously, the only news to me is that sadly, thanks to the people who argued that the settlement is not high or fair (insert whatever you prefer) enough the delay clock is now on. Some of you said you don't mind as long as the settlement is not delayed by another two months ... you need to realize that this is virtually now a guarantee that there will not be a settlement prior to end of Jun. The further apart the judge leans from the offer the longer it will take to come up with another one, presumably with more money for the members, which both sides will agree to.
Seriously, the only news to me is that sadly, thanks to the people who argued that the settlement is not high or fair (insert whatever you prefer) enough the delay clock is now on. Some of you said you don't mind as long as the settlement is not delayed by another two months ... you need to realize that this is virtually now a guarantee that there will not be a settlement prior to end of Jun. The further apart the judge leans from the offer the longer it will take to come up with another one, presumably with more money for the members, which both sides will agree to.
So you guys want to change the tone...
As of this moment, I still have my mkiv parked in the yard. I just donated it through Kidneycar. On their website, you can have them send an honor/memoriam card to someone. VW Canada's CEO and PR exec's are getting cards
As of this moment, I still have my mkiv parked in the yard. I just donated it through Kidneycar. On their website, you can have them send an honor/memoriam card to someone. VW Canada's CEO and PR exec's are getting cards
PlaneCrazy
Top Post Dawg
Getting back to the core of the issue, the settlement, dealers have received a letter from VW Canada. My dealer e-mailed me a copy (in French). In short form:
-Court asked parties to submit a summary of discussions by April 7th;
-This summary was jointly submitted by the representatives for the plaintiff and VW on April 7th;
-Now awaiting final decision of both the Quebec and Ontario courts;
-Dealers have been asked not to comment on the settlement or the judicial procedures
-VW is in a position to launch the settlement process before the end of April pending the final decision of the courts.
So there is nothing more to do than wait (and make inane comments) until the courts decide.
Personally I would have bought one even without the marketing hype. I just wanted a diesel, and I assume if it was sold, it was sold legally and met all current regulations. That was enough for me, after all that was the basis on which I bought our pre-2007 TDIs, which had no "clean diesel" marketing hype.
-Court asked parties to submit a summary of discussions by April 7th;
-This summary was jointly submitted by the representatives for the plaintiff and VW on April 7th;
-Now awaiting final decision of both the Quebec and Ontario courts;
-Dealers have been asked not to comment on the settlement or the judicial procedures
-VW is in a position to launch the settlement process before the end of April pending the final decision of the courts.
So there is nothing more to do than wait (and make inane comments) until the courts decide.
Indeed. The issue isn't that it was marketed as "clean diesel", the issue is that VW broke the law and it would have been just as bad if it was a run of the mill gasser.
Personally I would have bought one even without the marketing hype. I just wanted a diesel, and I assume if it was sold, it was sold legally and met all current regulations. That was enough for me, after all that was the basis on which I bought our pre-2007 TDIs, which had no "clean diesel" marketing hype.
For us the decision was simple, the only replacement for a Golf wagon is another Golf wagon and we have a TSI wagon, Trendline, connectivity package, 5-sp manual, in transit as we speak. Dealer will hold it for us until the settlement dust settles. We're not really into SUVs. My experience with the TSI engine in my '16 Golf hatchback is convincing enough for us to make the switch (6.4 L/100 km average in summer, 5.6 L/100 km highway in summer, on regular gas). Plus it's way quieter, and quicker. That's not too big of a fuel consumption penalty compared to our TDI.