Dieselgate, The Canadian Edition

GoFaster

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I would have to disagree. People show up at DriveClean tests every day in Ontario, to be told that they can no longer register the car unless they make thousands of dollars in repairs. Often, these people are the poorest in society, and buying a $1000 catalytic converter is a hardship to them.

It is quite likely that the Ontario government would say "VW offered to buy the car back. You declined. Your choice. You may no longer register it in Ontario, as it does not meet emissions."
This is only a foreseeable situation AFTER that remedy has been rolled out and owners have been given a reasonable amount of time to react to it (i.e. until the end of the buyback / fix campaign - whenever that might happen to be).

As of right now, if you have a common-rail TDI that is subject to having a Drive Clean test, it is supposed to be treated the same as any other car: If the "check engine" lamp is not on, and "readiness" is set internally, it is good to go - despite any underlying shenanigans that VW may have done which are NOT the owner's fault.

Go to the Drive Clean website and look it up yourself if you don't believe me. As of right now - No problem to have a Drive Clean done on a TDI and the underlying shenanigans are not a factor.
 

GoFaster

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Sorry, I have not been following all the discussion about the buyback program. There is no information at https://www.vwcanadasettlement.ca/en/.
Could someone simply tell me if there is any new update regarding the buyback program since the 31st of March?
Thanks
PLEEEEEEASE go back a few posts and do some reading to avoid 18,367 individual repetitions of "Sorry, I have not been following. Are there any updates?"

This has already happened several times in this thread and I, for one, am getting fed up with people failing to do even the most basic reading before posting. Sorry for you being the victim of my rant, but it is what it is.
 

uchu

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PLEEEEEEASE go back a few posts and do some reading to avoid 18,367 individual repetitions of "Sorry, I have not been following. Are there any updates?"

This has already happened several times in this thread and I, for one, am getting fed up with people failing to do even the most basic reading before posting. Sorry for you being the victim of my rant, but it is what it is.
 

iantryinit

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PLEEEEEEASE go back a few posts and do some reading to avoid 18,367 individual repetitions of "Sorry, I have not been following. Are there any updates?"
This has already happened several times in this thread and I, for one, am getting fed up with people failing to do even the most basic reading before posting. Sorry for you being the victim of my rant, but it is what it is.

Agree with your reply but.........if there wasn't so much BS in this thread and it was strictly about facts on Canadian scandal I'm sure everyone would read each post.

I just logged on for first time in awhile and seems like endless pages of useless banter and not too many facts.
But that's just my opinion.
 
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Bajszi

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Agree with your reply but.........if there wasn't so much BS in this thread and it was strictly about facts on Canadian scandal I'm sure everyone would read each post.

I just logged on for first time in awhile and seems like endless pages of useless banter and not too many facts.
But that's just my opinion.
I agree with you. That's why I'm trying to read it daily, so I can filter out all those pointless discussions. I don't think there was any useful info since post #3281 on Page 219.

Cheers,
Bajszi
 

ElectricMayhem

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I have to disagree with you ... it shows you are not into politics .. :) ... This would be quite suicidal, especially for bottom-of-the-barrel popularity of Wynn.
Very few people will be affected because 99% of owners are having an orgy on Facebook discussing their upcoming trip to the top of the vehicle depreciation curve. The citiots will cheer her because they have read the "forty times" stupidity, not realizing that it is forty times a microscopically small number.


It is likely that they grandfather TDi's in for licensing but they may also hold that to the current owner and when you try to sell it the ownership will not be transferable.
That is very insightful, and is a definite possibility. The Liberal government did something similar with firearms - you can own certain firearms until you die, then they are confiscated from your estate, to be melted down.

As of right now, if you have a common-rail TDI that is subject to having a Drive Clean test, it is supposed to be treated the same as any other car: If the "check engine" lamp is not on, and "readiness" is set internally, it is good to go - despite any underlying shenanigans that VW may have done which are NOT the owner's fault.
Go to the Drive Clean website and look it up yourself if you don't believe me.
Nowhere it says, that I should be carrying the burden in such a case by not being able to register my vehicle.
You guys are looking at the wrong thing. The only thing you should be looking at is the Environmental Protection Act. It says no-one may cause an out-of-compliance vehicle to be driven on a public road. End of story. The fact that TDIs pass today is simply a limitation of the way they have chosen to do the test. The engine type is coded into the VIN, and it would take about ten minutes for a faceless bureaucrat to program a computer to write a letter to all the owners saying "Dear tax slave: sorry, but you can't renew your sticker any more. It is for the children, we are sure you understand."

You can point to your passed DriveClean certificate all you want, it will do you no good in the end. VW has already pled guilty, the fact that the cars were never in compliance, is not in question.
 

tobianogreg

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Does anyone have an idea of why the mileage catagories shifted on the CBB estimator site? Will they change every 1st of the month?

I just dropped back into a higher payout catagory but will lose that if I drive another 940 kms (this month?).
 

ElectricMayhem

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Does anyone have an idea of why the mileage catagories shifted on the CBB estimator site? Will they change every 1st of the month?

I just dropped back into a higher payout catagory but will lose that if I drive another 940 kms (this month?).

I would not obsess about the "estimator." It is not a part of the settlement; not binding on VW in any way. It is just to entertain you while the lawyers figure out how they are going spend the $150mm they "earned" for the truly outstanding job they did.
 

Armby

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Does anyone have an idea of why the mileage catagories shifted on the CBB estimator site? Will they change every 1st of the month?

I just dropped back into a higher payout catagory but will lose that if I drive another 940 kms (this month?).
The ranges should go up in time to reflect the average mileage driven by each model year. Dangerous predicting if this will happen the 1st of every month because VW has not been forthcoming on the details.

Having said that everything could change if the Judge forces a reset by not approving the deal as is.
 

n1d0n

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I really hope it will all be done today. please.
 

PlaneCrazy

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I think today is just further (I believe written) submissions, not a hearing. It would surprise me if the judge rules today after receiving the submissions. He will want to examine them first which may take a few days. Would it be too optimistic to shoot for a week from now? Knowing how slow the Canadian court system is...
 

n1d0n

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I think today is just further (I believe written) submissions, not a hearing. It would surprise me if the judge rules today after receiving the submissions. He will want to examine them first which may take a few days. Would it be too optimistic to shoot for a week from now? Knowing how slow the Canadian court system is...

Yes this is probably what will happen.. I was just hoping for something faster! :-/
 

mxs

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The only thing you should be looking at is the Environmental Protection Act. It says no-one may cause an out-of-compliance vehicle to be driven on a public road. End of story. The fact that TDIs pass today is simply a limitation of the way they have chosen to do the test. The engine type is coded into the VIN, and it would take about ten minutes for a faceless bureaucrat to program a computer to write a letter to all the owners saying "Dear tax slave: sorry, but you can't renew your sticker any more. It is for the children, we are sure you understand."
You can point to your passed DriveClean certificate all you want, it will do you no good in the end. VW has already pled guilty, the fact that the cars were never in compliance, is not in question.
Well, you can think whatever you want, I just don't think this is in the cards (unless a vehicle you are talking about has an available fix the government signed-off). Your firearms example in my view is not a very good analogy, on contrary.
 

mxs

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I really hope it will all be done today. please.
Based on? ... Oh the FB page, eh? Yeah, and a cheque for full purchase price is on its way.

Seriously, the judge wanted to have the legal counsel summary of the hearing back to him by today! .... so he can do some reading, thinking, calling Quebec, calling EPA ..... whatever ... in the next several weeks. Then, he will call them back in and tell them how he sees it.
 

n1d0n

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Based on? ... Oh the FB page, eh? Yeah, and a cheque for full purchase price is on its way.

Seriously, the judge wanted to have the legal counsel summary of the hearing back to him by today! .... so he can do some reading, thinking, calling Quebec, calling EPA ..... whatever ... in the next several weeks. Then, he will call them back in and tell them how he sees it.
what are you angry at??? It was just a comment I made stating that I would really be happy if it would all be done today.. I don't do facebook.
 
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uchu

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I think it's fair to say that we all wish that a ruling were given today and that the settlement program would roll out before the end of the month. Is it likely to happen? Unfortunately, no. There are quite a few loose ends that need to be finalised before a final ruling can be given. And, like I said before, the outcome is not going to please each and everyone of us affected TDI owners.

Regarding the judge meeting with counsels from both sides, I think that the purpose was to receive a summary with information that would answer his main questions and/or concerns about the settlement as it was proposed. Let's hope that : (1) It actually happened or is happening today, and (2) the answers that he receives are good enough for him to clear a path to a ruling. The same goes for the ruling of the judge in Quebec.
 

GigaFire

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Yeah, no. I want an answer today. After waiting another week, after four months of delays, after a year of waiting to be told to wait until now, I'm done. I just want my damn answer so I can move on.
 

uchu

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Yeah, no. I want an answer today. After waiting another week, after four months of delays, after a year of waiting to be told to wait until now, I'm done. I just want my damn answer so I can move on.
"Patience is the art of hoping". - Luc de Clapiers
 

Cheekee

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NO MORE 2012 Jetta TDI >> F150
I'm picking up my Jetta replacement tomorrow .... parking the VW until buyback ..... I'm 200 kms from extended warranty running out ... just enough to drive it to the dealership a couple of times .... hopefully we'll be on the other side of this mess soon .... I'll never buy another VW ...
Cheers
 
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