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Sappington

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I'll agree. We took several 100mi trips this weekend in ours and I had never rode in the back seat until this weekend and was very comfortable!:D
And how tall are you? That statement doesn't mean much with out that qualification. ;)
 

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I’m not sure if it’s because of the excess of walking I did in Quebec, or having a firmer GTI the following week, but my lower back was so sore.....
Huh?!? His one complaint is that the seats in the Jetta didn't offer protection against developing soreness a week later?
Apparently he wasn't sore after immediately after, or even a day after, walking in Quebec, nor during the time he had the Jetta. But bopping about in the GTI? Nah, THAT couldn't have caused whatever flare-up could it?
Maybe he should have blamed it on lifting the Christmas gifts out of the trunk of whatever free loaner he had 9 months ago.

Nice article! Pretty fair....
I'd prefer if the article were pretty good.
A fair editorial / review is only one step up from one that was written pretty poorly.
 
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Huh?!? His one complaint is that the seats in the Jetta didn't offer protection against developing soreness a week later?
Apparently he wasn't sore after immediately after, or even a day after, walking in Quebec, nor during the time he had the Jetta. But bopping about in the GTI? Nah, THAT couldn't have caused whatever flare-up could it?
Maybe he should have blamed it on lifting the Christmas gifts out of the trunk of whatever free loaner he had 9 months ago.

I'd prefer if the article were pretty good.
A fair editorial / review is only one step up from one that was written pretty poorly.

At least he did not talk ad nauseum about the old noisy smokey diesels of old, that so many writers seem to rehash over and over! I still say it is a pretty fair article IMO.;)
 

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Not a bad little piece, without the usual whining about noise, soot, and trouble finding fuel.

I'm a little disappointed with the fuel economy, maybe I'll keep my '02 instead...

I've averaged 5.3l/100km lifetime in mixed driving (210,000). Best tank (on a trip from Toronto to and from Montreal with 3 adults and luggage for a weekend) 1,243.8 or 4.3l/100km. My usual, about town, to and from work (about 3/4 highway) is around 1,050km in the summer and 950 in the winter.

Diesel rules!
 

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If I couldn't get UNDER 5 liters/ 100 KM on a trip like that in my 2004 BEW TDI, I would trade it in. Is 6 ltrs/100 km PLUS the price you pay for the extra horsepower?
 

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For those of us south of the St. Lawrence, that works out to about 38 mpg. I wonder how many kilometers he has on the odometer? Maybe that's why he is getting some lower numbers. He also said he spent four days in Montreal traffic. That could have really killed the overall trip mileage. I know I've parked a while in Montreal on several occasions.

Yes, 2004Nick, you get a mileage penalty for the heavier weight, more horsepower, and the environmental restrictions they've put on these motors and ultra low sulphur diesel fuel. I figure that I've lost about 10 mpg going from my 2000 TDI beetle to my 2010 TDI JSW. I ran about 5.0 in my beetle to about 6.4 in my sportswagen.
 

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I'm thinking that the reviewer of the new Golf TDi wagon didn't really "fill" up when he stopped for fuel. I always top-off my tank (even though it says not too). When it's really empty, the pump usually stops at around 48l the first time, and I've often run the pump up to 56.something litres. (Knock on wood I've never run it dry - yah, I know the dangers - but around town I usually go for around 50km after the low fuel light comes on.)

I'm also thinking that the newer 2.0l TDi with 140HP isn't nearly as thrifty as the older 1.9 (like my '02 Golf). My wife's '05 Passat with the 2.0 PD TDi isn't nearly as thrifty either, and actually quite sooty compared to my Golf. Both a blast to drive though!
 

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And how tall are you? That statement doesn't mean much with out that qualification. ;)
5'11" so not short, but not Jeremy Clarkson tall either!;)
We just filled up yesterday and ours has gotten even better. We were getting 36.9MPG originally but yesterday got 41.9MPG now that we have over 5000mi. It seems to be getting better and better. Not the 46MPG that my 03 did on a trip to Houston TX but improving. At least getting up to my city driving in the 03.
 

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I've gotten 45.3 mpg so far on a 'short' trip from Vermont to Connecticut and back (600 mi r/) so far. I'm also 5' 16" (you figure it out) and the seats are comfortable for me. I'm looking to make a trip in 328 days to the AlCan highway and may drive the TDI there and back. I'll need to get one of those maps you see on motorhomes with the states and provinces filled in as you go...
 

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vdubdezl-
I am on about the same track as you mine is 2011 TDi JSW- I have little under 4k, but each tank it gets a little better. My last fill-up showed 38.4 MPG- probably half maybe less the miles were highway

(We just filled up yesterday and ours has gotten even better. We were getting 36.9MPG originally but yesterday got 41.9MPG now that we have over 5000mi. It seems to be getting better and better. Not the 46MPG that my 03 did on a trip to Houston TX but improving. At least getting up to my city driving in the 03.[/QUOTE])
 
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I can't wait to see what my fuel mileage will be on my upcoming trip.
I'll be driving approx 2,500 round trip..... I'm excited! I've already mapped out the diesel stations between California & Wyoming. I hope diesel outside California will work well in my new 2011 JSW TDI & hope if I stick with big name stations, I'll be ok. Any thoughts on this?
 

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Just use the higher volume truckstops and you shold be ok. Don't forget your additive. Have fun cruising.
 

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I'm thinking that the reviewer of the new Golf TDi wagon didn't really "fill" up when he stopped for fuel. I always top-off my tank (even though it says not too).
The warning not to top-off is a carryover from the gassers. It's a non-issue with diesel since vapor expansion is a non-issue and liquid diesel expands about as much as motor oil does (doesn't expand much at all). Nothing to worry about. You also have no evaporative emissions system (aka vapor recovery system) to worry about like a gasser has. No check engine light (CEL) code will be triggered since it's not a sealed system and there's nothing monitored in that area to trigger a code. In a TDI it is completely safe to top the tank off all the way to liquid at the top of the filler neck.

Any TDI, whether sedan, hatchback, or Wagen, is an awesome road trip car. :cool: My 2010 JSW TDI recently went from NH to TDIfest 2011 in Lexington KY and then back to NH. 980 miles each way. I wouldn't want to do the road trip in any other car. :)

Good luck and Welcome to TDIclub! :cool:
 

n1das

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I hope diesel outside California will work well in my new 2011 JSW TDI & hope if I stick with big name stations, I'll be ok. Any thoughts on this?
kjclow said:
Just use the higher volume truckstops and you shold be ok. Don't forget your additive. Have fun cruising.
What kjclow said. :cool: Stick to fueling up only at high volume / high turnover stations along major routes. Go where the big rigs go. The fuel at these stations will be the freshest in the region because it's constantly being replaced often and will be least likely to be contaminated with water from condensation and who knows what else. Brand doesn't matter since the major big names all get unbranded fuel from the same regional distribution terminals where the tanker trucks get loaded.

Have fun cruisin' and enjoy your awesome road-tripper ride. :cool:
Good luck and Welcome to TDIclub. :cool:
 
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vdubdezl

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I can't wait to see what my fuel mileage will be on my upcoming trip.
I'll be driving approx 2,500 round trip..... I'm excited! I've already mapped out the diesel stations between California & Wyoming. I hope diesel outside California will work well in my new 2011 JSW TDI & hope if I stick with big name stations, I'll be ok. Any thoughts on this?
agreed with everyone else. All diesel is basically the same. I prefer to use Shell, Sunoco, or Exxon diesel because of the additives. I've worked on many fuel tankers and they will all fill up at the same terminal, but they will just punch different buttons for the different "brand" additives
 

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"ultimate road-tripper" ???


I had better preface this with "I tried to make a case for myself with the JSW as our solution, but multiple test drives just left us feeling missing things we wanted"

I seriously have to disagree with the "ultimate" in terms of "road-tripper".

While it may be great for fuel economy, and some decent cargo space, those 2 items alone do not qualify anything as ultimate for long trips.

To me there are a number of factors and this is from my road trips which are generally a minimum of 450 mile weekends to 7000 mile 2-3 week versions all across the US in any and all weather.

Fuel Range = JSW
Purchase price = JSW

Any other factor easily goes to several other vehicles most of which would be wagons to keep the cargo space and handling close, or better.

What's a JSW cost, $30k totally loaded +/- insignificant amount.
What did my 2008 BMW 535xi Touring cost? $39,000 out the door and my warranty is 2x longer than a VW and up to 100,000 miles. All service also covered up to 4yrs/50k.

I get 25mpg driving "however I please", 22 mpg fully loaded down, 21 cubic foot cargo box + 2 bikes on roof, or nothing on the roof, 70 mph avg, 27-28 mpg. Premium is generally the same $ as ULSD...or lower, depending on your area but I'll just say it's equal.

I can haul WAY more volume (width and length too) of stuff than the JSW, I can haul more weight and more safely with the load leveling rear suspension and I can tow more, more safely. I have a 2" hitch as well.

Safety, heavier is safer and so is distance between me and the perimeter of the car so while the 5 series got a weird number for driver side impact, it was due to driver seating position and not the car design. Still, I'd rather have the space and inertia that a larger car provides for safety. MY 2nd row doors have the optional air bags too for our family trips.

All wheel drive...well, a 4 motion JSW would be cool, but it's not available. The AWD allows me to go anywhere, anytime.

6 spd manual, gotta have it, both of these wagons have it but if that's a requirement, the pickins are slim in the USA.

Creature comfort :
Long trips beg for comfort - the JSW may be an ok car, but super awesome comfortable it is not. This BMW has the 20 way multi adjustable "comfort" seats and they are truly awesome. My back seats are better than the JSW front seats.

Sound- long trips get annoying if the interior is noisy, the JSW may be better than out 2003 MkIV Jetta, but it's a long way from being "quiet". I can have perfect bluetooth phone calls at any speed without my caller being annoyed.

Driving fun and handling:
No comparison really, this wagon is so fluid and planted. Passengers can nap at 150 mph as it's still so quiet and solid.

Little things, like materials and classy bits:
I like rear windows that drop all the way into the door. I like all 4 windows to be "one touch up and down", my rear hatch glass opens separate from the hatch door if I need quick access or if bikes are on the hitch rack. The interior materials are top notch.

Why am I ranting, because I'm pissed that I can't have both high end car, even from the used market, in addition to high mpg.

Why don't we get the tdi Passat wagon ????? Why not the tdi A6 Avant ????? and yes, why not a 520d bmw wagon.

The JSW is a nice little car fairly affordable new, but it is no way an ultimate road tripper. It is an ultimate commuter car.
 

German_1er_diesel

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"ultimate road-tripper" ???
...BMW 535xi Touring...

Funny, at 1000€ less than a 535i xDrive touring, BMW has a 530d xDrive touring (258hp/398lb-ft, 6.2s for 0-100kph) in Europe. Seems more of an ultimate road-tripper to me -> 89% of 5-series sales in Europe are diesels.
http://goo.gl/8NnQZ

(I just noticed you can't get a 530d with AWD and a manual anymore - only the RWD 5-series comes with a stick)

I wonder why they don't sell a diesel 5 over there.
 

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Because they think no one would buy it. Just like the amarok or polo or.....
The car manufacturers think that the public is too diesel-phobic to even consider offering more main stream diesels. i don't think we will really see many great offerings until gasoline passes the $5.00 per gallon average for all of the US. I guess that wold push it closer to $7 for California.
 

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I wonder why they don't sell a diesel 5 over there.
Because they would rather push the x5 35d. They also thought the 5GT would become a big seller...well, it's sold less than E61's from what I read last. The truth is, people are going into the 5GT from 6,7,5 sedan, not from the Touring cars. The people who are ready for a new wagon.....are going over to Mercedes E350 4matic.

If you gave me a 5GT, I'd be online the same night checking what I can get for selling it.
 

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Because they think no one would buy it. Just like the amarok or polo or.....
The car manufacturers think that the public is too diesel-phobic to even consider offering more main stream diesels. .
For wagons it's double trouble when you talk diesel because wagon options are dropping quickly. Volvo, SAAB, BMW, Audi, all dropping some or all wagon models. Right now, there is talk of no next gen 3 series wagon, no big Audi wagon, why on earth Mercedes doesn't just bring the E wagon with the v6 bluetech I do not know! Then we have the goofy bmw 335d only in an automatic. Why not have 2 versions, a RWD 6 spd and/or an AWD automatic.

I drove a Q7 tdi the other day, totally loaded, the fancier ventilated seats, the air suspension.... not very impressed, and really underwhelmed considering the $70,000 tag. What a bore and not so great on the mpg either.
 

kjclow

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Americans fell out of love with the wagons when chrysler introduced the minivan. Although, I guess if you really look at it, VW was first! Minivans ran their course of 20-30 years and have been replaced by the SUVs and those are now being replaced by the crossovers. GM tried to bring back the big wagon but couldn't find a way to make them functional to the soccer moms and dads. I understand the appeal of an SUV (just got rid of mine) of sitting up higher and getting a clearer picture of what's around me. However, I much prefer my jsw for handling and mileage. I can fit close to the same amount of crap into the jsw as I did the CR-V, maybe not as tall of things but just as long and wide.
 

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GM tried to bring back the big wagon but couldn't find a way to make them functional to the soccer moms and dads.
Because the fricking Hemi they put in the Magnum sucked fuel like crazy. They tried to make it a performance vehicle at a time fuel prices were rising. Put a diesel in that thing, and I'd be sold.

I understand the appeal of an SUV (just got rid of mine) of sitting up higher and getting a clearer picture of what's around me. However, I much prefer my jsw for handling and mileage. I can fit close to the same amount of crap into the jsw as I did the CR-V, maybe not as tall of things but just as long and wide.
Personally, I feel the same way. Not to mention that for those of us who don't own an SUV, we think some of those land yahats are somewhat intimidating on the road. I find most SUV's somewhat impractical and don't have the cargo space that is worth the price tag.
 

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I think the Jetta Wagon is awesome. Especially for families and/or people who travel a lot. Great cargo room and fantastic hwy mpg and a large fuel tank. What's not to love other than a rather bland look?

While some wagons are falling out of favor, though they were rarely in favor, I think that a lot of people are making the move from sedans to hatchbacks/kammbacks for the simple reason of better utility. The addition of the Prius v (43city/39hwy)(the largest Prius with 67.3cu.ft. of total cargo area) could help improve Jetta Wagons sales because some people will simply not like the price ($26k MSRP) or some other feature of the hybrid and the closest competitor is the Jetta Wagon TDi (32city/42hwy)in terms of size, price and fuel economy.

Here is a decent article comparing the two with the Ford Escape. The numbers they use are slightly different than the manufactures websites but close enough.

http://wot.motortrend.com/youre-buy...a-tdi-wagon-or-ford-escape-hybrid-121329.html
 

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My only complaint about the jsw versus the cr-v is that the backseats don't recline.
 

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Originally Posted by kjclow
GM tried to bring back the big wagon but couldn't find a way to make them functional to the soccer moms and dads.
Because the fricking Hemi they put in the Magnum sucked fuel like crazy.
Magnum was a Chrysler product, not GM's.
I find most SUV's somewhat impractical and don't have the cargo space that is worth the price tag.
Agree completely. I never quite understood why so many people would fork over the $$ for a Ford Escape or even a Jeep Grand Cherokee considering they really don't hold that much more than a Jetta Wagon -- and you keep paying for it with mileage that's less than half of what the diesel JSW gets (probably half even of the gasser JSW). Unless you have a need to go off-road (the only off-road most SUV drivers see is the ditch in winter when they fail to stop), why not buy a station wagon?

In addition, I'm seeing some really wasteful design, especially on crossovers. I look at vehicles like the Kia Sorento and Nissan Rogue and see vehicles significantly longer than mine which can't carry any more because of the sloping back window and curvy tailgate.

I suppose I just like my "box" too much. :p
 

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I have 2011 tdi JSW bought new in the middle of april it has 6700 miles on it now,I have never gone under 40mpg since I have had it this has been short trips and around town,best has been about 43mpg,we are leaving in Nov. and heading to FL.(1700 mile trip)with 2 doge and will have luggage carrier on roof plus full trunk,I am dying to see how well it will do on milege,hoping to stay close to 40mpg or better, any way it will be better than our 2001 Chevy suburban,(16mpg)
 

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keep the speeds around 65 and you shouldn't do that bad, but any faster and that rooftop box will give you a hit on MPG.
 
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