Diesel shortage.

[[486]]

Wonder if one of those “rocket” stoves would work for you, virtually no smoke with those units

unrestricted draft in any stove will do that
but you also run into it possibly ejecting far more heat out the flue than it radiates into the room, to the point that you're better off leaving a window open than running the wood stove, because at least you don't need to feed the window

 

[atc98002]

Wonder if one of those “rocket” stoves would work for you, virtually no smoke with those units

Doubt it. They are hyper sensitive to smoke. The forest fires more than 100 miles away from us got to them severely. Fortunately the rain finally came and cleaned our air. It was really bad around Seattle for several weeks this year. We've had the same thing the past few years, and many of those fires were in British Columbia or south Oregon/northern California.

 

[TDIBone]

I'm just hoping nothing major on my MK VII breaks while prices are like this. Going to be hard to convince the wife to keep it considering I only drive about 10 miles to work.

 

[Andyinchville1]

On the east coast we had to endure the pipeline shut down for gasoline awhile back .... Not fun times worrying about not being able to drive around etc...

While it was tough , it was somewhat localized .... well east coast mainly at least .... I remember having to drive about 100 mile out (luckily I am a courier so at least the trip was a paid trip) to mom and pop stations in the boonies to fill up the (12) 5 gallon jugs I was lugging around in the passenger compartment of the wagon .... Definitely NO smoking!!

As time went on, even the more obscure gas stations out in the coountry ran out of gasoline (fortunately Diesel was still relatively easy to get then .... thank goodness for the TDI !).

We got to within a day or 2 of running out of gasoline for the drivers that were helping us do deliveries ( I actually got very busy doing deliveries since all the other drivers at the courier company I was working for either ran out of fuel or refused to go out for fear of not having or being able to find enough gasoline to be able to make it back home ....

Visions of Mad Max and the Road Warrior filled my head.

Anyways, THAT was with gasoline being short ...... I can only imagine how bad it would be if it was Diesel that was running out (no big trucks running means lots of stuff being short ... including gasoline .... Thank god we still have about a few years worth of toilet paper left from the Pandemic! Ha

I'm thinking IF we really start getting that bad off with Diesel shortages we had better start contemplating, rescuing our fellow Americans who are being held by the Nazis in Saudi Arabia ... Once we get our troops there we could start setting up voting booths to give them the opportunity to allow them to be annexed by America .... After that we should be set for oil for awhile ;-)

On the other hand , and to minimize any potential backlash from the above from the other super powers IF that's a concern .....
Maybe we can let Russia have Ukraine , China Take Taiwan , then we can justify us simply taking Saudi Arabia .....

In any event we can NOT afford to run out of Diesel fuel .... Other than the above solutions , I don't see much more we can reasonably do.... Any Ideas?

Andrew

 

[[486]]

I'm thinking IF we really start getting that bad off with Diesel shortages we had better start contemplating, rescuing our fellow Americans who are being held by the Nazis in Saudi Arabia ... Once we get our troops there we could start setting up voting booths to give them the opportunity to allow them to be annexed by America .... After that we should be set for oil for awhile ;-)

On the other hand , and to minimize any potential backlash from the above from the other super powers IF that's a concern .....
Maybe we can let Russia have Ukraine , China Take Taiwan , then we can justify us simply taking Saudi Arabia .....

hahaha

just annex canada
like they did in the fallout videogame 'verse

 

[nwdiver]

I don't see much more we can reasonably do.... Any Ideas?

Andrew

Use less Diesel.

Embark on mass electrification that would put the war buildup in the 1930s and 40s to shame. Require 'shore power' be provided at truck stops and ban idling trucks. Add cantilever power for trains and uphill sections for trucks. The only real solution is to break our dependency.

 

[Jr mason]

Use less Diesel.

Embark on mass electrification that would put the war buildup in the 1930s and 40s to shame. Require 'shore power' be provided at truck stops and ban idling trucks. Add cantilever power for trains and uphill sections for trucks. The only real solution is to break our dependency.

They have to be reasonable solutions.

While some of those may be obtainable they aren't affordable. You think transportation costs are high now.....



We have the answer already that could provide a stop gap until other technologies and infrastructure mature. Diesel electric. It is a reliable, affordable technology that utilizes an infrastructure that's been in place for 100 years. Semi trucks. Large construction equipment that burn100 gallons per day. Buses. Marine power. Fuel consumption is literally halved or more (its been proven) in these configurations. BEV technology is a farce in its current state in all but the smallest vehicles. We're being pushed backwards.

 

[oilhammer]

Thread Crap engaged, post #36.

 

[nwdiver]

Thread Crap engaged, post #36.

LOL..... really? So $100s of Billions of government spending on bombs and bullets... and selling out democracy...

Maybe we can let Russia have Ukraine , China Take Taiwan , then we can justify us simply taking Saudi Arabia .....

Is preferable to a little infrastructure spending???

Use less Diesel.

Embark on mass electrification that would put the war buildup in the 1930s and 40s to shame. Require 'shore power' be provided at truck stops and ban idling trucks. Add cantilever power for trains and uphill sections for trucks. The only real solution is to break our dependency.

Gonna be a lot cheaper to find ways to use a gallon less diesel than to get a gallon more. Maybe not as ideologically satisfying to everyone... but cheaper.

 

[oilhammer]

Oh no, Greta changed my opinion for sure. In the exact opposite way that was clearly intended. Zealots be damned, you won't indoctrinate me.

 

[lemoncurd]

The shortage is starting to show its tail in my area... atleast i think. Diesel jumped nearly 70 cents over night (at one station), $6.7 atm

Thankfully some other stations havent gotten their fuel trucks yet so I am going to go snag some <$6 diesel for my TDI while i can

Not fun times! And I'll be damned if I just throw in the towel, sell the TDI, and buy an EV. TDI isnt going anywhere until its wheels fly off it on the highway

 

[nwdiver]

Oh no, Greta changed my opinion for sure. In the exact opposite way that was clearly intended. Zealots be damned, you won't indoctrinate me.

So yes to war and no to infrastructure? Really? Which service are you enlisting into?

I already did my 8…. learned my lesson on being overly dependent on petroleum the hard way.

 

[1854sailor]

So yes to war and no to infrastructure? Really? Which service are you enlisting into?

I already did my 8…. learned my lesson on being overly dependent on petroleum the hard way.

Would you please just go away and start your own EV website...

 

[oilhammer]

I just wonder, if this is the only web site he craps on, or does he troll a bunch of others? I certainly don't troll the EV fanboy places, don't really care to. I have no problem with other people doing other things that they like.

But once his high electric horse graces itself with its presence in ANY thread here, it's done.

 

[[486]]

So yes to war and no to infrastructure? Really?

Or you know, 'no' to both because we already spent all the money already.

 

[Jr mason]

Gonna be a lot cheaper to find ways to use a gallon less diesel than to get a gallon more. Maybe not as ideologically satisfying to everyone... but cheaper.

Ahem, diesel electric does just that.

Your comment on spending "a little on infrastructure" misses the reality mark by.... more than a little.

 

[lemoncurd]

Ahem, diesel electric does just that.

Your comment on spending "a little on infrastructure" misses the reality mark by.... more than a little.

Diesel electric for heavy applications. Diesel plug in hybrid for commuter cars..... If only someone made a proof of concept of such technology for commuter / lightweight vehicles..... OH WAIT! VW did and no one seemed to care. Even now no one talks about the VW XL1.

 

[nwdiver]

Or you know, 'no' to both because we already spent all the money already.

The same was true in 1938. If I recall my history correctly the previous 10 years weren’t exactly known for their economic prosperity. We ‘found’ more money then and it worked out great. Why not learn from history?

 

[[486]]

The same was true in 1938. If I recall my history correctly the previous 10 years weren’t exactly known for their economic prosperity. We ‘found’ more money then and it worked out great. Why not learn from history?

dunno man, free money has an enormous societal cost to it
just look at where we were at in '38 and try to link it to anything other than central banking doing what it does best and giving out stupid amounts of money to people that had no business spending it

ETA: because iirc a couple decades before that we set up the third iteration of the US central bank, both previous tries failed spectacularly, but that was far enough in the past at that point that people had forgotten the results and so we tried it again

 

[nwdiver]

dunno man, free money has an enormous societal cost to it

Yeah…. when you have more money chasing a limited supply of diesel. This is using more money to decrease dependence on diesel.

 

[atc98002]

I like diesel, but currently drive an EV. But I’m going back to a PHEV, because EVs aren’t quite there yet, at least at an affordable price.

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

I hate to burst your bubble, nwdiver, but folks are finally figuring out that (a) EVs that automakers are currently producing are both way too expensive for most consumers and not practical for that audience, either; (b) EVs have little, if any, beneficial impact on the environment; and (c) a wholesale movement of the automotive fleet to EVs is not going to happen.

EVs will be around, but as a niche product. Toyota, the worlds largest automaker, has announced it's is going to continue to produce ICE vehicles for the foreseeable future. Why? Because that's what customers want and will buy. And they are a profit making enterprise.

 

[nwdiver]

I hate to burst your bubble, nwdiver, but folks are finally figuring out that (a) EVs that automakers are currently producing are both way too expensive for most consumers and not practical for that audience, either; (b) EVs have little, if any, beneficial impact on the environment; and (c) a wholesale movement of the automotive fleet to EVs is not going to happen.

EVs will be around, but as a niche product. Toyota, the worlds largest automaker, has announced it's is going to continue to produce ICE vehicles for the foreseeable future. Why? Because that's what customers want and will buy. And they are a profit making enterprise.

Reality disagrees. (a, b &c )The TCO and environmental cost is lower with EVs after < 5 years. It’ll be interesting to see how Toyota sells into a niche ICE market as it’s increasingly banned.

 

[J_dude]

I like the way oilhammer put it, “high electric horse” instead of “electric high horse”. Lol

 

[Jr mason]

Reality disagrees. (a, b &c )The TCO and environmental cost is lower with EVs after < 5 years. It’ll be interesting to see how Toyota sells into a niche ICE market as it’s increasingly banned.

Lower TCO? Maybe, but only because it's heavily subsidized.

 

[nwdiver]

Lower TCO? Maybe, but only because it's heavily subsidized.

LOL! Who do you think paid my salary when I was protecting your supply of diesel in the gulf? How is that not a subsidy?

 

[Jr mason]

LOL! Who do you think paid my salary when I was protecting your supply of diesel in the gulf? How is that not a subsidy?

Your gonna have to get more specific than that.
If you are insinuating that our military involvement in another country is somehow equivalent to an oil subsidy your beyond left field - you're in the bleachers. The USA could shut the spigot off and go full stupid (electric) tomorrow and we will still be meddling in other countries buisiness. The world will always depend on oil whether it's for a fuel or plastics, asphalt, feedstock, or lubricants, etc. 2nd and 3rd world countries will probably use it as a fuel for the next 50+ years which means there will be wars over it which means we will have our nose in it.

 

[Tin Man]

I'm finding it difficult to pin down the actual monetary value of using a barrel of oil but must assume it creates much more wealth than it costs to extract and protect it. Dunno.

Clearly alternatives to fossil fuels must also live in this reality. Most of us would rather not go back to the stone age.

[COLOR=rgb(6.790000%, 26.190000%, 80.510000%)]THE ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF OIL & GAS[/COLOR]
Oil: The Journey of A Barrel of Oil

 

[nwdiver]

Your gonna have to get more specific than that.
If you are insinuating that our military involvement in another country is somehow equivalent to an oil subsidy your beyond left field - you're in the bleachers. The USA could shut the spigot off and go full stupid (electric) tomorrow and we will still be meddling in other countries buisiness. The world will always depend on oil whether it's for a fuel or plastics, asphalt, feedstock, or lubricants, etc. 2nd and 3rd world countries will probably use it as a fuel for the next 50+ years which means there will be wars over it which means we will have our nose in it.

Um…. what? …. our use of oil for non-energy items is ~half. If we reduced our consumption by ~50% we could get ~100% of our supply domestically or from democratic states like Norway and ~0% from murderous autocrats like Putin and MBS.

I don’t have a problem with using oil. I have a problem with the fact that we use such an insane amount that some people are apparently willing to commit mass murder (war) to save a few bucks on their next fix.

 

[Tin Man]

I don’t have a problem with using oil. I have a problem with the fact that we use such an insane amount that some people are apparently willing to commit mass murder (war) to save a few bucks on their next fix.

I don't believe a word.
You DO have a problem using oil. Iraq war was not to save a few bucks. It was to stop Saddam from controlling the world oil market. If we wanted the oil for the money spent on military we could have had it for much less on the open market.

Besides, our obsession with SUV's is also insane.