Diesel price...

[Speedmaster_102]

So what's up w/ the steep increase in the diesel price? Something about capitalism and not enough billions of dollars of profit?

 

[Uberhare]

It doesn't make sense the spread from RUG to DSL now.

158.9 RUG
194.5 DSL

 

[Uberhare]

Last night locally:

150.9 RUG
199.9 DSL

***?

 

[MrCypherr]

Its gotten to the point where the 20 minute drive out to the rez is worth it over spending an extra $20 in fuel. Usually costs me like $89 max from empty on the rez where in the city its around $105-120.

 

[P2B]

Closest fuel station to me is on the rez, not even 5km away. It's on the trail in winter too

 

[GD]

Still rez or no rez these prices are insane!

 

[Speedmaster_102]

I love my TDI, and it's a fun car to drive. But, when will I get to the point and say **** it, it's not worth owning a diesel car anymore; deleted or intact.

Golf R on premium fuel is probably cheaper to operate than a TDI at this point, am I not wrong?

Im just rambling, and clearly that I'm frustrated.

 

[cdi320]

I love my TDI, and it's a fun car to drive. But, when will I get to the point and say **** it, it's not worth owning a diesel car anymore; deleted or intact.

Golf R on premium fuel is probably cheaper to operate than a TDI at this point, am I not wrong?

Im just rambling, and clearly that I'm frustrated.

A car averaging around 8.7L/100km running regular gas will cost the same as a tdi averaging 6.5L/100km, with RUG being 1.50 per liter and diesel 2.00 per liter

Given most newer gas cars of equivalent engine size can average well below 8.7L/100km, on average, a diesel car has become more expensive to run if the spread stays as it currently is.

Even at 5.5L/100km on average, or better, which a newer CR can only do driving purely highway or rural roads, an equivalent gasser needs to average around 7.3L/100km, which is still doable... in my opinion, diesels aren't worth it anymore, nor have they been for a long time.

 

[MrCypherr]

I feel like it all depends on what your traveling is like. For me, Im doing 1100km roughly a week so a gas car wouldnt really make much sense for me. I fill up once a week roughly around $70-85. Im avg around 4.5-4.8L/100km and thats 95% highway driving. Ive stopped filling up at name brand stations unless I absolutely need to.

 

[J_dude]

A car averaging around 8.7L/100km running regular gas will cost the same as a tdi averaging 6.5L/100km, with RUG being 1.50 per liter and diesel 2.00 per liter

Given most newer gas cars of equivalent engine size can average well below 8.7L/100km, on average, a diesel car has become more expensive to run if the spread stays as it currently is.

Even at 5.5L/100km on average, or better, which a newer CR can only do driving purely highway or rural roads, an equivalent gasser needs to average around 7.3L/100km, which is still doable... in my opinion, diesels aren't worth it anymore, nor have they been for a long time.

Oh? My ALH is definitely worth it at an average of less than 5L/100km... Diesels are in my opinion FAR from being “not worth it”. I mean heck, they last longer, are more efficient, have more torque, and are also safer in a wreck, I guess if you like driving around with highly explosive gas that’s liable to blow you to pieces at the slightest provocation I guess you can, but diesel isn’t going to just light up like that. Also it lasts longer than gas in storage.
I think I’ll keep my old diesels, thanks.

I have no use for all the new electronic crap and DEF systems though.

 

[cdi320]

I feel like it all depends on what your traveling is like. For me, Im doing 1100km roughly a week so a gas car wouldnt really make much sense for me. I fill up once a week roughly around $70-85. Im avg around 4.5-4.8L/100km and thats 95% highway driving. Ive stopped filling up at name brand stations unless I absolutely need to.

It doesn't matter how much you drive, if the spread of diesel is significantly higher then regular gas then an equivalent gasser that averages x liters per hundred will cost the same to run for a diesel that averages y liters per hundred... I've done some simple math for you in my previous post

 

[cdi320]

Oh? My ALH is definitely worth it at an average of less than 5L/100km... Diesels are in my opinion FAR from being “not worth it”. I mean heck, they last longer, are more efficient, have more torque, and are also safer in a wreck, I guess if you like driving around with highly explosive gas that’s liable to blow you to pieces at the slightest provocation I guess you can, but diesel isn’t going to just light up like that. Also it lasts longer than gas in storage.
I think I’ll keep my old diesels, thanks.

I have no use for all the new electronic crap and DEF systems though.

LOL....

 

[kjclow]

It doesn't matter how much you drive, if the spread of diesel is significantly higher then regular gas then an equivalent gasser that averages x liters per hundred will cost the same to run for a diesel that averages y liters per hundred... I've done some simple math for you in my previous post

I use a 30% spread. If diesel is over 30% higher than rug, it's more expensive for me to be driving a diesel. However, buying that third or fourth car just so I have the option of driving gas or diesel is going to cost a whole lot more than a few (100s) tanks of fuel.

 

[cdi320]

I use a 30% spread. If diesel is over 30% higher than rug, it's more expensive for me to be driving a diesel. However, buying that third or fourth car just so I have the option of driving gas or diesel is going to cost a whole lot more than a few (100s) tanks of fuel.

Oh absolutely, I am not suggesting dumping one's current car just because the spread of diesel and gas has gotten ridiculous, of course that will cost more in the long run. I am merely saying that unfortunately the cost effectiveness of a diesel is no longer there, at least not for newer diesels. An older ALH that can get under 5 liters per hundred on the highway still makes sense, but those are far and few these days (at least in the rust belt areas).

 

[kjclow]

I dumped my ALH 12 years ago. IIRC, the 2000 beetle got about 41 mpg lifetime with the best tank of around 54 mpg. The JSW started in the upper 30s with a few tanks into the low 40s. Best was about 44 on the interstate running cruise at 73 mph. Since the fix, I'm averaging around 35 with 37-38 on the interstate.

 

[MrCypherr]

It doesn't matter how much you drive, if the spread of diesel is significantly higher then regular gas then an equivalent gasser that averages x liters per hundred will cost the same to run for a diesel that averages y liters per hundred... I've done some simple math for you in my previous post

Which as I mentioned, is why i stopped filling up at name brand stations. Its 35-40cents cheaper on rez which is why, in my opinion, the diesel is better for my driving as I mentioned. Until a gas car can easily 1000kms, for me, a diesel will always be worth it. There will always be cheaper stations to fill up. Again, my opinion on it as you said yours.

 

[Speedmaster_102]

Yikes, diesel is almost a buck a litre more than regular fuel. Regular was 1.59 and diesel was 2.42 as of yesterday at my local pump.

At what point do you decide that it's just not worth having a diesel car anymore?

 

[cdi320]

Yikes, diesel is almost a buck a litre more than regular fuel. Regular was 1.59 and diesel was 2.42 as of yesterday at my local pump.

At what point do you decide that it's just not worth having a diesel car anymore?

Well, see my previous post...

A car averaging around 8.7L/100km running regular gas will cost the same as a tdi averaging 6.5L/100km, with RUG being 1.50 per liter and diesel 2.00 per liter

Given most newer gas cars of equivalent engine size can average well below 8.7L/100km, on average, a diesel car has become more expensive to run if the spread stays as it currently is.

Even at 5.5L/100km on average, or better, which a newer CR can only do driving purely highway or rural roads, an equivalent gasser needs to average around 7.3L/100km, which is still doable... in my opinion, diesels aren't worth it anymore, nor have they been for a long time.

So that was with a spread of 50 cents... now that it's 83 cents, here's some more simple math using my 13 golf wagon that averages right around 6.5 L/100km

It costs me 15.73 to drive 100km (6.5 Liters x 2.42 a liter = 15.73)

15.73 divided by 1.59 (price of regular) = 9.9 liters, or in other words, any car that averages 9.9 L/100km breaks even with a tdi that averages 6.5 L/100km... many modern gassers with similar sized engines/power average well below that. Not even an ALH that let's say averages 5.0 L/100km (very optimistic average) is really not worth it anymore...

 

[Speedmaster_102]

Well, see my previous post...



So that was with a spread of 50 cents... now that it's 83 cents, here's some more simple math using my 13 golf wagon that averages right around 6.5 L/100km

It costs me 15.73 to drive 100km (6.5 Liters x 2.42 a liter = 15.73)

15.73 divided by 1.59 (price of regular) = 9.9 liters, or in other words, any car that averages 9.9 L/100km breaks even with a tdi that averages 6.5 L/100km... many modern gassers with similar sized engines/power average well below that. Not even an ALH that let's say averages 5.0 L/100km (very optimistic average) is really not worth it anymore...

Thanks for the math and I'll just ride the high diesel price until at least spring '23 to revisit if it's worth keeping my car. My wife's 2016 CRV averages 7.8l/100km with a mix of highway and city. The only time we ever take my car is when we are doing a long drive on the weekends because that's when my car really shines; long consistent drives. I never average anything less than 6.8l/100 since I bought the car in Jan 2020.

 

[cdi320]

Thanks for the math and I'll just ride the high diesel price until at least spring '23 to revisit if it's worth keeping my car. My wife's 2016 CRV averages 7.8l/100km with a mix of highway and city. The only time we ever take my car is when we are doing a long drive on the weekends because that's when my car really shines; long consistent drives. I never average anything less than 6.8l/100 since I bought the car in Jan 2020.

That's great fuel consumption for a mid size SUV with a fairly big 2.4L engine... it's sad that with the current spread, a gas SUV can be cheaper to run then a normal sized diesel car... hopefully this madness stops in the next year and the gap goes back to what it was

 

[Boostlee]

1.8t sportwagen....looking pretty tempting right now.

 

[kjclow]

I've got my JSW in the body shop this week and the wife is driving a 22 Corolla. Guess we'll run the poop out of it and burn through all the cheap gas while we can.

 

[Speedmaster_102]

Diesel has hit 3.00+/L in New Brunswick.

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Diesel prices jump in all three Maritime provinces, topping $3 a litre in New Brunswick

Drivers in all three Maritime provinces will be paying more for diesel after prices were adjusted Saturday morning.

atlantic.ctvnews.ca

 

[cdi320]

As the British would say, that's bonkers...

 

[amit9]

Diesel has hit 3.00+/L in New Brunswick.

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Diesel prices jump in all three Maritime provinces, topping $3 a litre in New Brunswick

Drivers in all three Maritime provinces will be paying more for diesel after prices were adjusted Saturday morning.

atlantic.ctvnews.ca

Yes saw it on CP24 that it was a jump of 68 cents/L!!!

 

[cdi320]

And it's been above average temperatures across eastern Canada and the US these past few weeks... Let's see what happens when it actually gets cold

 

[2nsane2005]

Diesel has hit 3.00+/L in New Brunswick.

:|

Diesel prices jump in all three Maritime provinces, topping $3 a litre in New Brunswick

Drivers in all three Maritime provinces will be paying more for diesel after prices were adjusted Saturday morning.

atlantic.ctvnews.ca

Gross! It's $1.84L here in Edmonton Alberta.

 

[J_dude]

Gross! It's $1.84L here in Edmonton Alberta.

Lucky, it’s still $2.10/L in southwest Saskatchewan

 

[Uberhare]

Glad I filled up before coming home across the border last night. It was $5.50 / gal which was high compared to TX and OK at 4.50.

 

[Mozambiquer]

I paid $4.699 minus the GasBuddy discount.
Diesel prices coming down a bit here...