Diesel Particulate Filter

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OK - TDI question!! I have 2010 Jetta TDI w/ 120000mi. My check engine light came on and cking with local VW dealership, they came back with a Diesel Particulate Filter. Never heard of such a thing. Worse, they want $3400 to replace it. I checked w/ non VW repair and they say $1800! :eek: What is this part, why so outrageous $$ and what is likely next move, fix, replace the car. What are y'alls thoughts!!?!??! Thank you
 

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http://www.myturbodiesel.com/wiki/d...ter-dpf-faq-repair-cleaning-and-pictures-tdi/

has a little info.

DPF is part of your emissions system. they do fail on some cars.

the part is available rebuilt from VW for around $900 for the DPF, you probably need an EGR filter too, which is a couple $100 more, add labor and you have your fee.

the dealer just has higher rates and marks up the part more. they might come down if you whine some. but after all, they want you to say the heck with it, and buy a new one.

your next move is up to you.
 

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What VW doesn't tell you is that if you keep the car long enough you WILL need one. At least you have a 2010 and you don't have to replace all of the cats as well!
 

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It is becoming routine to clean a DPF. They are used on 18 wheelers that rack up a lot of miles so it is cost effective to clean rather than replace and businesses that do this are opening up. Ask around at truck repair shops or truck stops to find a place. It's a lot cheaper than replacing!
 

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Lonewolf69 posted here that at 250,000 miles took DPF off, had it cleaned for $400, and is back on the road.

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=437595&page=2 start at post #20

but for those with a cracked DPF, the replacement is indicated. perhaps someone will come up with a cost-effective repair, but this is not yet available. (as far as i know)
 

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Since this question was asked by a newbie,

keep in mind that without the emissions equipment, none of the post-2009 tdis would be on the market.

the law all over US and Canada is that it is against the law to modify the emissions equipment from the design provided when the car was approved for sale.

there are folks who ignore the law, but it is not legal anywhere.

just like driving faster than the limit, you may get away with it, or you may not, depending on where you live. (and how blatant you violate the law)
 

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If I lived in a state that WASN'T "CARB Compliant" and the motor vehicle inspection didn't "sniff" the exhaust ALL the emissions crap would be GONE. Exhaust gas cooler, EGR, DPF, etc, etc. Then a 3" exhaust installed. Leaving you sounding like THIS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=w_utV-RMMWk :D
Thankfully you do. People who complain about emissions regulation need to just stop. Its not 1970 anymore. The US Population has increased by over 100 million people since then.

So unless the United States wants to stop populating like Deer then get use to Emission Regulation. We cannot simply keep emitting the same amount of pollution per citizen in a linear fashion.

I say this as a diesel car owner and a boat owner, Im not a tree hugger, but a realist. Its just reality, and in the beginning there will be some teething issues, but eventually like all other systems it will be refined and made sound.
 

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Thankfully you do. People who complain about emissions regulation need to just stop. Its not 1970 anymore. The US Population has increased by over 100 million people since then.

So unless the United States wants to stop populating like Deer then get use to Emission Regulation. We cannot simply keep emitting the same amount of pollution per citizen in a linear fashion.

I say this as a diesel car owner and a boat owner, Im not a tree hugger, but a realist. Its just reality, and in the beginning there will be some teething issues, but eventually like all other systems it will be refined and made sound.


This Guy +1
 

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Thankfully you do. People who complain about emissions regulation need to just stop. Its not 1970 anymore. The US Population has increased by over 100 million people since then.
So unless the United States wants to stop populating like Deer then get use to Emission Regulation. We cannot simply keep emitting the same amount of pollution per citizen in a linear fashion.
I say this as a diesel car owner and a boat owner, Im not a tree hugger, but a realist. Its just reality, and in the beginning there will be some teething issues, but eventually like all other systems it will be refined and made sound.
Frankly you'd have a point if legislators had a end game where they laid off on the legislation - they don't . Legislation is more about government departments more government jobs and revenue tools. You might have a little more foresight and desire to keep government small in the states but here in Ontario Can legislation is a revenue tool and more symbolism than substance, when it comes to the enviorment.

Heavy Machinery tier 4 diesel DPF's can be removed and cleaned for a hefty price why wasn't that designed on the VW diesels and why should we be subsidizing technology to curb peoples guilt? I didn't buy the car for my neighbors pleasure and peace of mind... and if someone in government thought a boat was an unnecessary luxury leading to an excessive carbon footprint would you get rid of your boat without full compensation? I'm guessing from what you said above you would without compensation even.

Don't get me wrong I see where your going but I don't think it's as cut and dried as you make it- further more it would be nice if those that did hug trees and aim to see us all back in the stone age had a clue what the green utopia they dream about really costs people.

They don't and that's the problem - everyone else covers the bill for their pipe dreams, and peace of mind.
 

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Mugs, I can understand the downside to regulation, but in this one regard Its not for a Green Utopia, its making sure what we have now won't get worse.

That was my point about population growth, its not a reality anymore where we can say that regulation is not necessary. It is, because the human population continues to grow virtually unchecked.

From 1970 to current the Canadian population has increased by about 12 million people and your total population stands at 35 million.
The United States current population stands at 318 million, up from 205 million in 1970, so you can see how much more important it is down here.

So our options are to either reduce the amount of pollution we produce per citizen as we continue to grow, or we stop breading unchecked.

Which do you think is going to be the harder thing to change?

In regards to my gas powered boat, if it got to a point where they would be banned, I would most likely have sold it years before because the ban most likely would be in response to some massive fuel shortages. I would buy a sailboat and life would go on.

Thankfully the EPA finally began regulation on boats, and now my I/O has a catalytic converter on it and my C/O output is 85-90% less, and yet it produces 40 more horse power, has better mid range throttle response and gets about a 20% increase in fuel economy compared to the identical 5.0L V8 it replaced.

You are throwing the words regulation and ban together like they are mutually exclusive to each other. They aren't, you can regulate things and still have a positive out come.
 
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We need more war.

Thin us out with ourselves.

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Going stage 3 was the best thing I've done to/for my golf. Goodbye dpf, hp egr, lp egr, asv, assorted cats, and terrible exhaust flapper valve. They won't be missed. I will shed a tear for all the asthmatic squirrels that have to breath my exhaust when i stomp on it. My car produces no black smoke, which is more than I can say about many of the older modded tdi's. Not that those aren't great motors as well.
 

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I didn't buy a diesel auto to BE "green". I bought one to SAVE "GREEN"! Unlike Europe the popularity of diesel autos still isn't here. Most people think that diesels are a "hassle". There is some "adjustment" over gasoline power. Like only having to fill the tank every 500 miles or MORE. Like having to add some fuel additive, if you choose to. Or needing to wash your hands if you get a bit "sloppy" when fueling. I still get a kick out of the "looks" you get when you stick that yellow nozzle into that tank. So all the "EPA stooges" can keep their cars the way they choose. I for one if the situation permits will REMOVE as much of that "green nonsense" as humanly possible. Even with all the stuff removed I'd wager these engines are CLEANER than MOST of the gasoline engines going down the road. As for selling the car, I drive them 'til they're JUNK. However number of miles that may be. My 2004 Silverado has passed 200K. Showing some rust, but still runs like a Rolex. Car payments SUCK! I'd sooner spend that dough on GOOD routine maintenance. NICE to have a daily driver that gets 42+ MPG versus 16. Waiting for the day I can "Roll Coal" on a Prius.:D Better yet a VOLT!
 
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Rolling coal isn't going to save you any green. That black smoke is money out of your pocket that never made it to the wheels. Plus it's pretty juvenile.
 

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Ha. Regulations keep them 230 miles from shoreline. Must be no wind out there.

What about fun pulls?

Watching souped up 20k# semi pulls, pumping exhaust so thick it clumps on the way out (probably from water injection to save aluminum for the 300ft) and falls to the ground.

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