Didn't see this coming - EPA shift

[dieseldonato]

saw a video this week Guy saying new diesels are sucking the DEF at 2-3 times the rate of older generations, That will hinter prospects of new TDI's for us

What diesels in particular? This hasn't been my experience, with heavy trucks or equipment.

 

[Bradm]

saw a video this week Guy saying new diesels are sucking the DEF at 2-3 times the rate of older generations, That will hinter prospects of new TDI's for us

Wait, there’s prospects of new tdi’s?
LOL

 

[braddies]

Stop with the coal-fired argument. Coal is nowhere near the major provider of electrical power in the US, and in some regions there's little to no coal use at all. The official numbers for 2022 is 19.5% of all electricity came from coal, and that number drops every year.

Electricity in the U.S. - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

The major fuel/energy sources and their contribution to annual U.S. electricity generation.

www.eia.gov

 

[jerryfreak]

Stop with the coal-fired argument. Coal is nowhere near the major provider of electrical power in the US, and in some regions there's little to no coal use at all. The official numbers for 2022 is 19.5% of all electricity came from coal, and that number drops every year.

Electricity in the U.S. - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

The major fuel/energy sources and their contribution to annual U.S. electricity generation.

www.eia.gov

ok how about "60% non-renewable", does that work better for you?

 

[turbodieseldyke]

None of it is renewable. Nobody's shoveling tons of hydrogen into the sun's core.

 

[turbobrick240]

Yup, better stock up on coal, we've only got about 5 billion years of good sunlight left. Honestly, I'd be surprised if humanity exists in 20,000 years.

 

[oilhammer]

Looking at the younger people, we may not have that long, LOL. Man kids are stupid today.

 

[mavreix]

I hate the coal rollers living in a big city they suck. I understand if you live in the country somewhere and want to roll coal, but when I'm jogging next to the road and get blasted by smoke its not so COAL, hah. pun intended

 

[dieseldonato]

I hate the coal rollers living in a big city they suck. I understand if you live in the country somewhere and want to roll coal, but when I'm jogging next to the road and get blasted by smoke its not so COAL, hah. pun intended

Doesn't matter where it is, it's bad press. It used to be really bad around here. Idk if it's the mentality, cost, or just better technology that lead to it dropping off. Sure you get that stupid kid who's parents bought them an old idi ford or second gen cummins that thinks it's cool. Still see a bunch of older vw idi and tdi that smoke like trains. But it's not near as bad as it was 10 years ago. Even the cops are pretty quick to jump on the kids/idiots about excessive smoke. Which is a turn for the good imo.

 

[kjclow]

I think with the common rail diesels it's much harder to roll coal. I used to be able to do it in my beetle but don't think I have with the JSW and never tried with my ram.

 

[dieseldonato]

I think with the common rail diesels it's much harder to roll coal. I used to be able to do it in my beetle but don't think I have with the JSW and never tried with my ram.

Just as easy to do, actually easier really with the programming. Toss a set of big nozzles at one and don't do anything with the tune, or don't upgrade the turbo. I just don't really think people are into turning up their diesels like they once were.

 

[turbobrick240]

Not much need when the newer diesel trucks are making 400-500 HP right off the factory line.

 

[oilhammer]

Except when they don't. Sadly, the need for deletes are still there, and often the change in software ends up with some smoke although it isn't "necessary".

 

[dieseldonato]

Not much need when the newer diesel trucks are making 400-500 HP right off the factory line.

haven't been impressed with any of the new trucks I've been in, and more then a few times I've been greatly disappointed with the claims of high hp from the factory. Heck the last new dodge 5500 cummins we got is so bad you don't dare pull out in heavy traffic with an empty truck, let alone if you have a load on it.

 

[turbobrick240]

A little puff of smoke here and there from a deleted commonrail is a far cry from clouds of coal. You can make them spew soot if that's your goal, of course.

 

[dieseldonato]

Defiantly not following your logic. Higher factory hp, is your claim to not seeing the smoke bellowing idiots. What dies that have to do with a little puff from a deleted common rail?

 

[wonneber]

Posts with political overtones have been deleted.

Big brother is watching.
In five minutes we will all agree this conversation never took place.

 

[TurboABA]

Everyone wants to be like VW

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/cummins-take-about-204-bln-charge-fourth-quarter-2023-12-22/

 

[JELLOWSUBMARINE]

Everyone wants to be like VW

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/cummins-take-about-204-bln-charge-fourth-quarter-2023-12-22/

I'll keep my old smokin' 83' around just to taunt them

 

[RabbitGTI]

When I was a kid, the air was yellow and you could taste it. Nixon started the EPA to address that and other problems. The improvements in air and water quality are astounding. Of course that was when we had a real Republican party. This post is not political, it is a fact.

 

[BeauDaugherty]

This shift by the EPA doesn't mean they're completely looking away from emissions devices; it seems like they're just going back to the way things were handled before 2020. They're not making it the top issue to chase after anymore. Personally, I think this could really shake things up for the car industry, especially for folks who make, sell, or use those extra parts that change how much pollution a car puts out.

 

[K5FAL]

I’m wondering how the Chevron decision will affect auto emissions regulations going forward. Hopefully it will keep the EPA from going any further than the plain text of the Clean Air Act as written by Congress. It’s hard not to go political here but that’s the way it should be in the first place.
I’ve never read the Clean Air Act but I’m sure the EPA went much further than the law, as written, with “expert advise” from orgs like the Sierra Club.
Like it or not, EVERYTHING is political now. Even what powers your car. “They” are determined to mandate EV’s. Therefore, I am determined not to have one.

 

[turbobrick240]

The overruling of the Chevron deference by the Supreme Court could definitely have implications for auto emissions regulations. That said, I think there's about a zero percent chance that diesel passenger cars will make any sort of comeback in this market.

 

[atc98002]

“They” are determined to mandate EV’s. Therefore, I am determined not to have one.

That's kind of cutting off your nose to spite your face. EVs are not inherently bad. They just aren't the right car for everyone at this time. I think the day will come, but it's not really that close yet. And I'm pro-EV, but recognize they still won't work for everyone.

 

[K5FAL]

@atc98002

I don’t have anything against people who buy them. The tech is certainly interesting and I can see them suitable in certain urban environments where people never have to travel very far.
in just don’t like the mandate. That’s all.

 

[turbobrick240]

You might not like the proposed ban against menthol cigarettes either- but it wouldn't be wise to cultivate a 4 pack a day habit just to show the govt. you disagree.

 

[K5FAL]

You’re comparing smoking cigarettes to the loss of freedom to purchase and use ICE powered vehicles? Do what our betters demand of you. They’re the “expert class” after all. You’ll soon find yourself giving up freedoms that they won’t.

 

[turbobrick240]

I don't think the probability of a 100% phase out of new ICE passenger cars in the US by 2035 or 2030 is all that high. Those sorts of aspirational mandates get pushed back all the time. Much higher probability that they meet those goals in much of Western Europe, imo. That will likely narrow the available options for ICE cars here.

 

[dieseldonato]

The overruling of the Chevron deference by the Supreme Court could definitely have implications for auto emissions regulations. That said, I think there's about a zero percent chance that diesel passenger cars will make any sort of comeback in this market.

If you look back at the history of emissions in diesel engines in Europe vs the united states, it's fairly clear why they never gained major acceptance in the USA. They (diesel engines) were often given preferable emission laws that were more lax then what gas engines had to meet. It wasn't till the late 90's (ish) that the eu started getting serious about emissions in diesels. They never really had a large market share in the USA because our standards were a lot tighter, and the perception of dirty, noisy diesels was never really put to rest.
Actually a fairly good video on the topic.

 

[turbobrick240]

If you look back at the history of emissions in diesel engines in Europe vs the united states, it's fairly clear why they never gained major acceptance in the USA. They (diesel engines) were often given preferable emission laws that were more lax then what gas engines had to meet. It wasn't till the late 90's (ish) that the eu started getting serious about emissions in diesels. They never really had a large market share in the USA because our standards were a lot tighter, and the perception of dirty, noisy diesels was never really put to rest.
Actually a fairly good video on the topic.

I think the failure of diesel cars to gain widespread adoption in N. America had more to do with the relative cheap fuel costs here vs. Europe and elsewhere. And American's preference for big powerful cars. When fuel costs spiked during the OPEC crisis, diesel auto sales made a significant jump. If you go someplace like Saudi Arabia where fuel is exceptionally cheap, you'll see relatively few diesel cars. Now that the standards have really tightened up, diesels have a tough time. Especially when there are gas cars with no expensive aftertreatment that can manage 40+ mpg.