Dealerships left out of the settlement/ So....

[Humanaquarian]

I'm sure this post will get moved to the obscure oblivian threads because topics like these seem to annoy moderators that DISCUSS things pertaining to VW , but I digress...

So, the dealerships aren't getting any settlement like that offered to the owners of these awesome cars (no, that is not sarcasm -I love my TDI and am quite torn on what to do).

So, I'm merely speculating because it keeps me occupied while I play the wait game here...but I woul hope VW offers incentives to buy another VW. I could see them loosing alot of customers is not. I'm sure they are aware of this.

Thoughts?

 

[MonsterTDI09]

Can you back up your claim about the dealers?

 

[BuyMeBackSoon]

If they don't help the dealers, they won't have any.

 

[Humanaquarian]

Can't find it, I read it this morning. Do a search if that's the main issue for you.
My main point was that VW would be remiss if they didn't offer an incentive to buy another VW. Possibly a program that enables you to buy seamlessly, because once you get your buyback -you'll want to hop into another car.
Or a program that lets you get a VW now based on the settlement you'll get.
I know 2 door GTI will be my choice and those will be increasingly hard to find, as they already are rare.

 

[VeeDubTDI]

I'm sure this post will get moved to the obscure oblivian threads because topics like these seem to annoy moderators that DISCUSS things pertaining to VW , but I digress...

So, the dealerships aren't getting any settlement like that offered to the owners of these awesome cars (no, that is not sarcasm -I love my TDI and am quite torn on what to do).

So, I'm merely speculating because it keeps me occupied while I play the wait game here...but I woul hope VW offers incentives to buy another VW. I could see them loosing alot of customers is not. I'm sure they are aware of this.

Thoughts?

That's an interesting thing to say about the moderators, especially when a dedicated Dieselgate forum was created specifically for topics like this.

 

[gloaming]

I'm sure this post will get moved to the obscure oblivian threads because topics like these seem to annoy moderators that DISCUSS things pertaining to VW , but I digress...

Dude, there's a whole subforum for Dieselgate now. If your thread gets moved into oblivian it's your own doing. You're talking about dealerships in a subforum that "is a discussion about emissions from TDI's. Pro's cons of Diesels (including biodiesel) effects on the environment and how they compare to Gasoline and other fuel sources for Internal combustion engines."

 

[VeeDubTDI]

Thread moved to the appropriate forum.

 

[Humanaquarian]

Didn't know there was a new sub forum... I don't obsess over this deal like some of you. Thanks for the off topic and de-constructive responses. This forum has attracted a lot of rude people since the scandal.

 

[PFCoppinger]

Yes. Dealerships are excluded. It is confusing because the one settlement resolves many things, including EPA/CARB's action, the FTC's action,and the Consumer Class Action, and the settlements are interlocking, which means that they are all approved or none are.

In the Consumer Class Action, dealerships are specifically excluded from the class, which means they can't be an "Eligible Owner" under the FTC/EPA settlements.

 

[Humanaquarian]

Thanks for on topic response!
So IMO that's trally crappy to do to the dealers, they are already taking a hit on bad publicity, but mow they're kinda stuck with no gain at all in their inventory.
It is my hope VW dies right by them and us by offering some great incentives.

 

[C C]

Compensating dealerships for the actual costs of carrying unsellable products is different from the burden of compensating customers who purchased and titled those "tainted" products.

Dealer and consumer; apples and oranges.

 

[PFCoppinger]

Thanks for on topic response!
So IMO that's trally crappy to do to the dealers, they are already taking a hit on bad publicity, but mow they're kinda stuck with no gain at all in their inventory.
It is my hope VW dies right by them and us by offering some great incentives.

That's why I suspect that those incentives are coming. But they have to get this big global settlement out of the way first.

 

[tobianogreg]

http://www.autonews.com/article/20160704/RETAIL07/307049956/vw-has-agreed-to-pay-billions-to-diesel-owners-did-retailers-miss?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[PFCoppinger]

That's interesting, but mostly from the lawyer who wanted to make big money on the case that didn't happen. Sour grapes there.

I don't think there is any way that either dealers or VW could have made any sort of settlement before the consumer and EPA cases are done without the optics being absolutely awful. Even in this thread, people make no distinction between dealers and manufacturer.

The consumer settlement relies pretty heavily on the existence of a dealership network, because they are the ones who process the buybacks and do the fixes if there is one. Delears still have the option to make their own lawsuit, and have a fair amount of leverage.

 

[tobianogreg]

Yeah, we don't know that dealerships "received nothing". Likely never will know what they received but if they're still there obviously they're happy.

 

[GSwag]

This should be good for the dealers. Cars moving is good for them and now a $h!t ton of cars are going to be dropped off at their doorstep by owners, many of whom will need new ones. This will move a lot of people in and out of new cars. Plus, the way the dealers gobbled up the incentives vw offered at the first part of this, I can't feel sorry for them

 

[dropnosky]

Didn't know there was a new sub forum... I don't obsess over this deal like some of you. Thanks for the off topic and de-constructive responses. This forum has attracted a lot of rude people since the scandal.

Irony anyone?

 

[dropnosky]

If they don't help the dealers, they won't have any.

This.

 

[MBfrontier]

I have had very good service from my local VW dealer. I just took my 2012 VW Golf 4 Door TDI DSG in for its' 40k service and noticed there are significantly less people there than I've seen in the past. While I was there I had the thought that it would be a shame and inconvenient if they weren't around for my future service needs if I ended up keeping my car or purchasing a new VW. Fortunately, they are part of a very large auto group that owns dealers representing most of the other brands domestic and foreign.

I don't think the VW Dealers have done very well at all as a result of this scandal. I would think most have lost money on the reduced sales as well as the loss in value of the dealership itself. I have read reports of VW Dealership buyouts that occurred below normal value by bargain hunters. It remains to be seen if VW will take care of their dealer network going forward. Certainly, VW can't afford to begin losing dealerships on top of the mess the manufacturer has created for itself'. Let's face it, if you can't find a dealer to service your car, who's going to fork over ten's of thousands to buy one?

Just my $.02.

 

[bluecrab]

I recently went to the Wash DC area dealer where I bought my Tdi Sportwagen in late 2012. After walking the lot and through the showroom, I never was never approached or saw a sales person. I checked to see if they had any new Sportwagens. They had so many I started counting - 22 Sportwagens an the lot. When I bought mine, they usually had about 5 Sportwagens, with maybe 1 being a popular-at-the time Tdi. All there lot was more full than I expected this late in the model year.

I know VW press releases mention strong sales. I really think they will have to work with the dealers to try to rebuild there sales in this area.

 

[Graham Line]

Any agreements with the dealers would probably be worked out through VW USA, VW Canada and so on. They would not necessarily be part of a legal settlement involving VW, the EPA and CARB.

 

[bubbagumpshrimp]

Volkswagen dealerships have been receiving monthly discretionary funds (dealers can spend it how they want) since shortly after this kicked off. To say that dealerships have gotten "left out" is simply not accurate.

Have they been fairly compensated? No...I don't believe that for a minute. However, it's not like they have received nothing since this mess took off. I get why most of the dealerships didn't try to join the big suit, but something tells me that whatever settlement VW eventually offers them (if they offer them anything) will be a lot less than if they'd taken the litigation path.

http://www.autonews.com/article/201...s-volkswagen-dealers-fear-cash-wont-be-enough

 

[Jogglebot]

The dealership where I bought my TDI is building a new dealership (2nd location) right down the street from me. The former location is a recent build too. I don't think they foresee any sales problems.

 

[JCTDI]

They will definitely roll out incentives for dealers to offer deep discounts to people trading in their TDIs. Dealers probably won't know any details about it until August/Sept.
What I would like to see is an EARLY incentive program that allows customer to pre-order the VW model they want to trade for, so that the car is on the dealer lot by the time the buybacks happen.
I have checked all of the dealers near me and not one of them seems to have a 6sp MT version of the GSW. They are all automatics!

 

[RollingCoal]

They will definitely roll out incentives for dealers to offer deep discounts to people trading in their TDIs. Dealers probably won't know any details about it until August/Sept.
What I would like to see is an EARLY incentive program that allows customer to pre-order the VW model they want to trade for, so that the car is on the dealer lot by the time the buybacks happen.
I have checked all of the dealers near me and not one of them seems to have a 6sp MT version of the GSW. They are all automatics!

That would be great for customers and dealers alike. If they offered a nice incentive for any model in the line up I would get into a golf R without hesitation. As mentioned in another thread I wouldn't pay over MSRP for one and it's the only car I would want from VW at the moment.

 

[BlueGruff]

They will definitely roll out incentives for dealers to offer deep discounts to people trading in their TDIs. Dealers probably won't know any details about it until August/Sept.

My exact same thoughts. VW has to support their networks of dealerships by bringing in customers. If VW doesn't provide incentives for customers to get into another VW, then VW risks losing many TDI customers who will go buy another brand.




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[ChimneyJim]

My local dealer is out of control. This package was $169 last year. Apparently they are gunning for the customer rather than corporate. Another reason I am done with VW.

 

[bubbagumpshrimp]

My local dealer is out of control. This package was $169 last year. Apparently they are gunning for the customer rather than corporate. Another reason I am done with VW.

Lol. Their cars came with free 3 years/30,000 mile service 3+ years ago. I think the industry standard is two years at this point. If someone is dropping $20k+ on a vehicle with you and you aren't willing to spot them a couple free oil changes (that appears to be the case here)...something is wrong.

 

[LarBear]

My wife keeps telling me that when the buybacks begin all car dealers will be like sharks circling the bloody kill. Since she tends to be right about this sort of thing more often than not I don't disagree.

Our local VW shark keeps hitting me with ads to buy a new VW of some kind and has been since possible buybacks were announced this past spring. I'm not the brightest puppy in the litter, but why would I take less than half what my likely buyback would be to buy a car now. It could be that if dealers take TDI's in as trade-ins at the current Blue Book price VW would save a huge pile of money by not having to buy them back from owners. At any rate if we buy another VW which at this point doesn't seem likely it won't be from the local shark when we can drive 120 miles to another dealer with a much better reputation. How many car dealers have boycotts, small though they may be, going against them, the local group that includes the VW dealership does.

 

[Teepke]

some recent news on this topic...

(links to 'vw compensation for dealer' stories on google)

-tp