Dead or not Dead. (I Guess it will be RIP)

C00lit

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2006 TDI BRM
So I lent my 2006 TDI to a friend. I have 3 cars and I just love my Jetta so much I don't want to get rid of it.
So I daily it alternating between that and my 2018 Civic LX 6 speed 2.0na

My friend messaged me and told me the engine stopped and barely starts making an awful noise.
Sounds horribly bad.

Scanned it, it's P2015...
A quick research on this tells me it's an issue with the intake manifold flap... But ... This knocking noise sounds more like pistons or cam knock...

Does the intake manifold flap issue really make the engine knock this badly??
 

Vince Waldon

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Edmonton AB Canada
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2001 ALH Jetta, 2003 ALH Wagon, 2005 BEW Wagon
Highly unlikely you'd get the starter struggling to turn over the engine and then very aggressive banging from the engine with just an intake flap issue.

Your friend didn't just top up the fuel tank, did they?
 

C00lit

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Montreal
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2006 TDI BRM
Highly unlikely you'd get the starter struggling to turn over the engine and then very aggressive banging from the engine with just an intake flap issue.

Your friend didn't just top up the fuel tank, did they?
The slow turnover was the battery being weak. It can turn over and start within a second the issue is the second it's started it struggles, dies and sounds like a nightmare doing so.
This video gave me some hope

He did top off the fuel.
However he owns a diesel where he's from and he's sure he filled it with diesel.
He also showed me the bill which writes diesel. Unless he first started with Gas and then realized it and changed.

He's the friend of a friend. My impression is that he's a nice guy and not bs-ing me... but... that's still a possibility.
he told me to keep the bill but I forgot to take it... (I should have checked how many litres he put it as that would have been a good hint.)

Apparently the issue just happened instantly... out of nowhere. Prior to that it was running super smooth as it always did.
But all in all I am fairly annoyed as I was hoping to keep the car longer given the fact that I put in a lot of money in maintenance.


Unless someone tells me it would be easy to fix this under 750$... I think it's going to the scrap.
It's had a decent life for Montreal Quebec standards given our horribly salted winter roads which rotts the rocker panels of all MK5's

1 year after purchase.

6 years later
The work of our winters... I would sand to bare metal, prime, bondo, sand prime and respray... but the rust comes from within.

And this summer I got my Mechanic to cut off all the rust and put on an aftermarket rocker that goes over.

Yes the car looked rough and my spray paint skills are garbage but the frame was flawless, the exterior rust was now under control and until this happened, it ran smoother than the 2018 Civic that replaced it... which I got for super cheap as it was heavily abused and still needs some work.

Also I guess I have a Newish PD140 Turbo to sell... which I never got to install as I was waiting for the original turbo of this car to fail or show signs or failure.
It was purchased new and installed in my previous Jetta which I put in over 10 000$ on to mod and make perfect. Injectors, Turbo...
And going 90kmph on a country road a deer jumped at me. (I got the dashcam video for that)
So I bought back the turbo from the scrap and bought a purely OEM car to replace it... 6 years later, I never reinstalled the turbo or modded this Jetta.
 
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Steve Addy

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Iowa
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97 Mk3
All you can do at this point is dive in and see what the problem is.

Get the receipt back, check the amount of fuel etc.

I wouldn't count it dead yet but it doesn't sound good, you won't know until you dive in.

Steve
 

C00lit

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Location
Montreal
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2006 TDI BRM
All you can do at this point is dive in and see what the problem is.

Get the receipt back, check the amount of fuel etc.

I wouldn't count it dead yet but it doesn't sound good, you won't know until you dive in.

Steve
I decided to try and fix it by replacing the EGR Flap.
As shown in this video here... The sound that car makes is kind of similar... so maybe...

Seems to be this part number
03G128063Q

Now I am wondering if I should attempt with a clearly cheap 75$ Ebay option

Or the OEM from these guys which worked out great in the past for the camshaft positioning sensor.
 
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John Wesley Hardin

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Rockport Texas
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2003 VW Jetta 1.9 Diesel GLS , Five Speed Standard Shift
So I lent my 2006 TDI to a friend. I have 3 cars and I just love my Jetta so much I don't want to get rid of it.
So I daily it alternating between that and my 2018 Civic LX 6 speed 2.0na

My friend messaged me and told me the engine stopped and barely starts making an awful noise.
Sounds horribly bad.

Scanned it, it's P2015...
A quick research on this tells me it's an issue with the intake manifold flap... But ... This knocking noise sounds more like pistons or cam knock...

Does the intake manifold flap issue really make the engine knock this badly??
Hope your friends a good mechanic
 

Lightflyer1

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Location
Round Rock, Texas
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2015 Beetle tdi dsg
I just let them use one of my other vehicles. I generally have 3 to 5 at any one time. It helps to have a $500 car around at times especially if you have kids and grandkids. One of my daughters is currently driving my old 2007 Tahoe.
 

pedroYUL

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MI, USA
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2015 Passat CVCA; 2015 GSW CRUA; 2012 wagon CJAA; 2004 wagon BEW(brother)
So I lent my 2006 TDI to a friend. I have 3 cars and I just love my Jetta so much I don't want to get rid of it.
So I daily it alternating between that and my 2018 Civic LX 6 speed 2.0na

My friend messaged me and told me the engine stopped and barely starts making an awful noise.
Sounds horribly bad.

Scanned it, it's P2015...
A quick research on this tells me it's an issue with the intake manifold flap... But ... This knocking noise sounds more like pistons or cam knock...

Does the intake manifold flap issue really make the engine knock this badly??
Sounds like a few holed lifters, and even perhaps damage to the top of the valve stems.
 

GlowBugTDI

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2001 Beetle GLS TDI (BIODSL). 01 original Glow Bug TDI (sold)
Last time a car of mine made a sound somewhat similar to this the no. 1 piston made itself an exit door through the oilpan. That being said I dont think that is your issue.
As pedro said, kind of sounds like a bad hole. Almost sounds like a disconnected connecting rod to me, but I don't see how that would be the case. Better pull the valve cover.

I just let them use one of my other vehicles. I generally have 3 to 5 at any one time. It helps to have a $500 car around at times especially if you have kids and grandkids. One of my daughters is currently driving my old 2007 Tahoe.
Same. 400$ camry for the win! Many have beat it, nobody has killed it. These tdi's are pretty indestructible. If I'm worried about it I just put a piece of duct tape on the fuel door that says "diesel" so that there isn't any accidentals. I typically tell my family "if something breaks it was probably on its way out anyway". I would have broken it sooner or later.
 

Nuje

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Island near Vancouver
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2002 Golf 6MT; 2015 Sportwagen 6MT; 2016 A3 e-tron 6DSG
Actually brings up a decent point: In the event someone's going to borrow my car, I'm gonna look for a way to quickly / easily lock out the fuel release door. Shouldn't be too hard on the Mk4; on the Mk7....a little more of an issue as it's unlocked if the driver door is unlocked (mind you, no way in hell I'm letting anyone borrow that one - so the point is moot I guess).
 

privateTDIjet

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2009 Jetta 2.0 TDI and 2014 Passat 2.0 TDI / Ive got a MK5 bentley manual, message me for a free diagram
The slow turnover was the battery being weak. It can turn over and start within a second the issue is the second it's started it struggles, dies and sounds like a nightmare doing so.
This video gave me some hope

He did top off the fuel.
However he owns a diesel where he's from and he's sure he filled it with diesel.
He also showed me the bill which writes diesel. Unless he first started with Gas and then realized it and changed.

He's the friend of a friend. My impression is that he's a nice guy and not bs-ing me... but... that's still a possibility.
he told me to keep the bill but I forgot to take it... (I should have checked how many litres he put it as that would have been a good hint.)

Apparently the issue just happened instantly... out of nowhere. Prior to that it was running super smooth as it always did.
But all in all I am fairly annoyed as I was hoping to keep the car longer given the fact that I put in a lot of money in maintenance.


Unless someone tells me it would be easy to fix this under 750$... I think it's going to the scrap.
It's had a decent life for Montreal Quebec standards given our horribly salted winter roads which rotts the rocker panels of all MK5's

1 year after purchase.

6 years later
The work of our winters... I would sand to bare metal, prime, bondo, sand prime and respray... but the rust comes from within.

And this summer I got my Mechanic to cut off all the rust and put on an aftermarket rocker that goes over.

Yes the car looked rough and my spray paint skills are garbage but the frame was flawless, the exterior rust was now under control and until this happened, it ran smoother than the 2018 Civic that replaced it... which I got for super cheap as it was heavily abused and still needs some work.

Also I guess I have a Newish PD140 Turbo to sell... which I never got to install as I was waiting for the original turbo of this car to fail or show signs or failure.
It was purchased new and installed in my previous Jetta which I put in over 10 000$ on to mod and make perfect. Injectors, Turbo...
And going 90kmph on a country road a deer jumped at me. (I got the dashcam video for that)
So I bought back the turbo from the scrap and bought a purely OEM car to replace it... 6 years later, I never reinstalled the turbo or modded this Jetta.
Why would you give up so easily on something you invested so much for? Dive into it and find out whats wrong with it. If you ever needs VCDS just message me I'll gladly meet up with you and scan your car. It always brings me pain to see a good TDI at kenny's because you truely can't buy something like it anymore. If it makes you feel any better, I once lent mine to a friend so that he can pickup someone in Quebec city and he came back with a check engine :LOL: You're not alone in this.
 

C00lit

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Location
Montreal
TDI
2006 TDI BRM
Why would you give up so easily on something you invested so much for? Dive into it and find out whats wrong with it. If you ever needs VCDS just message me I'll gladly meet up with you and scan your car. It always brings me pain to see a good TDI at kenny's because you truely can't buy something like it anymore. If it makes you feel any better, I once lent mine to a friend so that he can pickup someone in Quebec city and he came back with a check engine :LOL: You're not alone in this.
That's super awesome of you to offer.
I already have the VCDS and the error is P2015 Intake Manifold Flap Position Sensor.
Found a video of the same car showing the issue being the electronic throttle body as shown in my response above.

I received the part and will try to swap it out this weekend to see if it makes a difference.
I am not a mechanic and these days as a self employed I.T. guy I am drowning in projects that don't even bring much income (it's all investing in my own services, knowledge and marketing...
While I did put a lot in this car's maintenance, it's still a Quebec Driven Jetta and while the body is solid it will always be a fight against rust while the car will always look rough... so... It's hard to justify putting more on a mechanic to dig into it.

If I can't fix it this weekend, you can have it for whatever a junkyard would be willing to give me :)
I also have a Garrett PD140 Turbo with under 5000KM on it from my previous Jetta.
 
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