Daily commuter turbo

[WWJSWD]

Some higher altitude driving, 5-7K Ft. long commutes, but need much more power.. what would you choose?

GTE2260VZ

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GTB1756vrk

https://www.xmanturbos.com/product-page/2-0tdi-cr140-cjaa-cbea-cbab-gtb1756vk-turbocharger

 

[Garrison]

For higher altitude, a smaller turbo is generally suggested - GTB1756

 

[WWJSWD]

For higher altitude, a smaller turbo is generally suggested - GTB1756

Agreed, that brings me to my next question.. Malone Stage 4 kit GTB1756 for $3,200USD or Xman GTB1756 for $1,100USD.

Malone’s custom cast manifold will probably provide a slightly faster spool, but I struggle to justify the 3X cost increase.
Malone: https://tunezilla.com/products/MTGTB2260V
Xman:

https://www.xmanturbos.com/product-page/2-0tdi-cr140-cjaa-cbea-cbab-gtb1756vk-turbocharger

 

[Garrison]

You won't find a lot of love on here for Malone, the issues mentioned are exacerbated with higher stage tunes.

FWIW I'm running a CR170, so one step below your plan and Malone stage 3. I do still have smoke at WOT (although not a lot) and hwy mpg's are high 30's-low 40's, backroads however is spectacular, 50-70mpg and 30 something in the city.

If I were in your shoes, I would piece together whatever I needed to in order to get the setup at the lowest price and buy an off the shelf tune OR there's a dude on here who's name always escapes me. He's well regarded and can give you a well built custom tune. @lemoncurd can you please refresh my memory with the name of that tuner?

Either way, re: malone - I personally don't have any real negatives to share about them, but plenty of others do so caveat emptor and all that

Anymore questions, just ask away

 

[CanadianALH]

You won't find a lot of love on here for Malone, the issues mentioned are exacerbated with higher stage tunes.

FWIW I'm running a CR170, so one step below your plan and Malone stage 3. I do still have smoke at WOT (although not a lot) and hwy mpg's are high 30's-low 40's, backroads however is spectacular, 50-70mpg and 30 something in the city.

If I were in your shoes, I would piece together whatever I needed to in order to get the setup at the lowest price and buy an off the shelf tune OR there's a dude on here who's name always escapes me. He's well regarded and can give you a well built custom tune. @lemoncurd can you please refresh my memory with the name of that tuner?

Either way, re: malone - I personally don't have any real negatives to share about them, but plenty of others do so caveat emptor and all that

Anymore questions, just ask away

@Xtremefunky is the CR tuner. I hear his DSG tunes are also killer

 

[lemoncurd]

malone/tunezilla's hardware like the "stage 4" turbo kit is pretty decent.

their tuning, not so much.

like canadianALH said, hitup Xtremefunky.
you can dig through my post history to see my experience with malone tunes

TLDR; the only good thing about them is customer service. once you pop the hood on what theyre doing in their "tunes", it gets ugly.

 

[reince]

@Xtremefunky is the CR tuner. I hear his DSG tunes are also killer

+1 on CR Tuner

 

[lemoncurd]

imo, i think a GTD2060VZ turbo would be fine for sub 10,000ft elevations

GTD2060VZ 1.9TDI Vacuum Converted Hybrid Turbo Upgrade with 1.9/2.0TDI Manifold - Muchboost.com

MuchBoost GTD2060VZ turbocharger professionally adapted to 1.9TDI, or 2.0TDI transverse and longitudinal VE, PD, and Common Rail engines (all the engine codes are mentioned at the bottom of this page.) The turbo is equipped with a genuine Garrett Compressor Wheel 10+0 Blades. The base is an...

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muchboost, and xman both make quality products.

avoid turbo's with the wavy compressor wheel. they look like this:

IMG_3247.jpg

• lemoncurd
• Aug 8, 2024

going with a smaller GTB1756 would be totally fine aswell, and gives a nice power bump.

 

[Xtremefunky]

i think a GTD2060VZ turbo would be fine for sub 10,000ft elevations

I kinda depends how much spool you wanna sacrifice for power.
Generally spoken. The higher the altitude the less effective a turbo works (compared to less height).
Personally. I would also never take a GTB turbo in 2024... like.. thats 15 year old tech... so much happened... and if you compare the
GTB turbos to more recent turbos.... yeah, the GTBs make a ton more boost compared to current turbos, but what some might forgot is:
we are not seeking boost, we are seeking air mass. And especially on the GTE, the intake vs. exhaust manifold pressure ratio is insane.
Gaining an other 5% (volumetric) engine efficiency compared to the GTD (which already has like 12% over the GTB).
In other words: GTB turbos are great for parking lot talks. GTE and GTD turbos is what brings you forward with less EMP and therefore EGT.

Just one thing I want to point out here is.. since we are talking: I never managed to get beyond 230HP on a 2L, smokefree with GTB2260 without seeing EGTs comparable to the sun surface.

avoid turbo's with the wavy compressor wheel. they look like this:

Actually. In this case. I would probably use this brutal inefficient compressor wheel, together with a pretty much efficient turbine.
And kinda get the best of both worlds. Good response (at high altitude + driveability) and great poweroutcome.
So like GTD1756VRK with this curvy gen II compressor wheel.

 

[Garrison]

I kinda depends how much spool you wanna sacrifice for power.
Generally spoken. The higher the altitude the less effective a turbo works (compared to less height).
Personally. I would also never take a GTB turbo in 2024... like.. thats 15 year old tech... so much happened... and if you compare the
GTB turbos to more recent turbos.... yeah, the GTBs make a ton more boost compared to current turbos, but what some might forgot is:
we are not seeking boost, we are seeking air mass. And especially on the GTE, the intake vs. exhaust manifold pressure ratio is insane.
Gaining an other 5% (volumetric) engine efficiency compared to the GTD (which already has like 12% over the GTB).
In other words: GTB turbos are great for parking lot talks. GTE and GTD turbos is what brings you forward with less EMP and therefore EGT.

Always learn something new when I read your posts - thanks for chiming in man!

 

[WWJSWD]

malone/tunezilla's hardware like the "stage 4" turbo kit is pretty decent.

their tuning, not so much.

like canadianALH said, hitup Xtremefunky.
you can dig through my post history to see my experience with malone tunes

TLDR; the only good thing about them is customer service. once you pop the hood on what theyre doing in their "tunes", it gets ugly.

If I had to guess, EGT Limits removed, boost elevated, injection duration extended past TDC increasing EGTs even more so. Id bet if you really pushed a tune like this (driving under heavy load for extended periods) you'd melt an exhaust valve or drop a valve seat from the head expanding due to the high heat.

I think... GTB1756, intercooler, swirl flap delete, and a quality tune from Xtremefunky.. call it a day

 

[Speedmaster_102]

If I had to guess, EGT Limits removed, boost elevated, injection duration extended past TDC increasing EGTs even more so. Id bet if you really pushed a tune like this (driving under heavy load for extended periods) you'd melt an exhaust valve or drop a valve seat from the head expanding due to the high heat.

I think... GTB1756, intercooler, swirl flap delete, and a quality tune from Xtremefunky.. call it a day

Xtremefunky wouldn't use a GTB turbo as mentioned in this thread.

 

[WWJSWD]

imo, i think a GTD2060VZ turbo would be fine for sub 10,000ft elevations

GTD2060VZ 1.9TDI Vacuum Converted Hybrid Turbo Upgrade with 1.9/2.0TDI Manifold - Muchboost.com

MuchBoost GTD2060VZ turbocharger professionally adapted to 1.9TDI, or 2.0TDI transverse and longitudinal VE, PD, and Common Rail engines (all the engine codes are mentioned at the bottom of this page.) The turbo is equipped with a genuine Garrett Compressor Wheel 10+0 Blades. The base is an...

muchboost.com

muchboost, and xman both make quality products.

avoid turbo's with the wavy compressor wheel. they look like this:

IMG_3247.jpg

• lemoncurd
• Aug 8, 2024

going with a smaller GTB1756 would be totally fine aswell, and gives a nice power bump.

Whats the need for avoiding the wavy compressor wheels? Just curious. PowerTDI offers a GTD1756 mated to a CR170 exhaust manifold. However the compressor is wavy for sure
Turbo GTD1756vrk for 2.0 CR (powertdi.pl)

 

[lemoncurd]

Whats the need for avoiding the wavy compressor wheels? Just curious. PowerTDI offers a GTD1756 mated to a CR170 exhaust manifold. However the compressor is wavy for sure
Turbo GTD1756vrk for 2.0 CR (powertdi.pl)

Xtremefunky talked about it

Actually. In this case. I would probably use this brutal inefficient compressor wheel, together with a pretty much efficient turbine.
And kinda get the best of both worlds. Good response (at high altitude + driveability) and great poweroutcome.
So like GTD1756VRK with this curvy gen II compressor wheel.

 

[WWJSWD]

Xtremefunky talked about it

You rock man, well that seals the deal on what I'll buy then. Especially since you can get it mated to a stock casting. Xtremefunky pointed out to me how silly it was Malone recommended a 2200BAR sensor over a 2700BAR one.. Malone said its easier to tune for, but probably nothing was actually changed in the fuel pressure/demand map. So, I'll upgrade to a 2700BAR sensor (using the PN in your signature block). and reach out to Xtremefunky for a quality tune.

Speaking of the 2700BAR sensor, is there a good vendor to get one? I've only found it on ebay

 

[lemoncurd]

You rock man, well that seals the deal on what I'll buy then. Especially since you can get it mated to a stock casting. Xtremefunky pointed out to me how silly it was Malone recommended a 2200BAR sensor over a 2700BAR one.. Malone said its easier to tune for, but probably nothing was actually changed in the fuel pressure/demand map. So, I'll upgrade to a 2700BAR sensor (using the PN in your signature block). and reach out to Xtremefunky for a quality tune.

Speaking of the 2700BAR sensor, is there a good vendor to get one? I've only found it on ebay

malone likes the lower BAR sensors because they can get away with bad tuning as the ECU is blind to any pressure above the sensor reading. so their solution is to just pin the pressure as high as itll go and let it ride.

i do not know of a good sensor vendor, i havent purchased one yet either. im kind of hoping i can find it on a vehicle in europe and just buy it from a dealer or something