CR engine HPFP analysis
- Thread starter oilhammer
- Start date
STRANGETDI
Veteran Member
- Joined
- Sep 20, 2001
- Location
- East Hampton, CT
- TDI
- 2013 Audi A3 S-Line Premium Plus Quattro - APR Stage II
kjclow
Top Post Dawg
- Joined
- Apr 26, 2003
- Location
- Charlotte, NC
- TDI
- 2010 JSW TDI silver and black. 2017 Ram Ecodiesel dark red with brown and beige interior.
I would ask for a fuel sample to have tested yourself, if they come back and say it was bad. Ask for a copy of the fuel test regardless of what else they do. It would be good to know if they are actually testing now. I would also call the fuel station and see if they have had any complaints about bad fuel.
So I got an update today from VWofA that the dealership sent my fuel sample to the wrong place. So I have waited 15 days just to hear that and now they sent it to the correct place. I am really furious; would the sample even be good anymore?
Jesse_Boyer
Veteran Member
It's a poor design knowing full-well of the scar rating of US diesel. If you can't have a pump survive here, don't sell the car here. Period. If VW wanted more market share, providing a car with a high failure rate and sticking owners with upwards of five-figures of fuel system bills isn't exactly the best marketing...
FSHRAM, I'd be livid.
If the dealership is acting on behalf of VWoA and the dealership is told to make sure there wasn't a miss-fueling issue, so be it. However, if the dealership knows they can be reimbursed by VWoA for these systemic issues, yet still jerks owners around to avoid doing the work, I'd find a new dealer.
Yeah I have a message back to the VWofA rep that I am working with. I am beginning to lose my patience in staying calm and not erupting on them. While all of this goes on the car just sits there and is not being touched. Does the fuel sample change the work that needs to be done?
timk519
Veteran Member
It changes who pays for it. If it turns up bad, then you - or the station you got the fuel from - will be on the hook for the repair cost.
truman
Top Post Dawg
I think it is unlikely the station will be on the hook. How does one prove that it was the last load of fuel that caused the problem? A better case could be made if fuel was only purchased from one source.
Yeah and it has been so long that I cannot really go to the station on the same batch of fuel to get my own test. I will be by that station again tomorrow and could get a sample in a gas can and see what comes up I guess but is that even still relevant being three weeks later.
Update: My fuel sample came back clean so tey are repairing the car under the warranty and installing an "improved and updated pump" which kind of makes me mad that they did not just do this from the jump. I get the car back Tuesday hopefully and can get past this and decide if I want to keep the car or not.
PlaneCrazy
Top Post Dawg
New and improved pump = SOSDPN
(same old sh!t, different part number).
Check the part number of the pump they install, I'd be curious to see what they're putting in these days. If the part number ends in "X", it's a remanufactured pump, not a new one.
Initially they wanted to put 03L 130 851 AX in mine. I insisted on new, and got this P/N: 03L 130 755 A. This happened in 2013. I'd be curious to know if indeed they're putting in an updated part since then.
Last edited:
waltzconmigo
Veteran Member
FSHRAM---Congratulations, I do not know if I would be too concerned about a remanufactured pump but I would be apprehensive about them cleaning any hoses or the fuel tank. There have been reports of second (even third) failures when everything has not been replaced. (Not saying this to scare) I would consider coming out of pocket for anything they plan to "flush clean". Maybe with your failure you can qualify for 2micron's "rapid assist". (from my reading it seems that he has given those with failures priority) It would be beneficial to the club if you could find out what the fuel test is looking for and what tolerances they allow, being in Illinois the response may not pertain to everyone (Bio level) but it would still be helpful. Have you reported your failure to NHTSA? If not you should do so.
GearheadzTV
Veteran Member
Got my wagon back today, VWOA covered the repairs but I did notice that they clean the tank and flush the lines, pump and filter is replaced. I can post up the service sheet if anyone is interested in seeing part numbers...
wanabe
Well-known member
- Joined
- May 10, 1999
- Location
- Delray Beach,FL,USA
- TDI
- 2009 Jetta Sportwagen, Laser Blue, manual transmission
Please post the part numbers.
So I am finally getting my car back today after 23 days. They called to tell me the car is ready but my battery is shot. So I am on the hook for a new battery. This whole experience has been awful and cannot get over quick enough. I will update you all on what they all repaired.
mr_y82
Veteran Member
PNs were just posted over here (I know they are on here a few times, but easy to lose track of!)...
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=4856414&postcount=6616
GearheadzTV
Veteran Member
That's funny, I got the same call...just that my red top gel battery was only a year old, had them pull it out for me and exchanged it under warranty at Napa.
ksing44
Veteran Member
I just saw this in the pdf of the Closing Report from the NHTSA. I've got the RP0 pump in my Golf TDI purchased in April of 2010. It looks like about 1% increase per year.
on Flickr
I'm at about 54 months and 117,000 miles right now. I love the car and I'd like to keep driving it for a few more years, so it looks like I have to accept that fact that 8-9% will have failed by the time I'd like to move on to a new vehicle. the good news, i wasn't part of the 4-5% that already had an issue. I hope that trend continues. As I said, I love my car!
on Flickr
on Flickr
I'm at about 54 months and 117,000 miles right now. I love the car and I'd like to keep driving it for a few more years, so it looks like I have to accept that fact that 8-9% will have failed by the time I'd like to move on to a new vehicle. the good news, i wasn't part of the 4-5% that already had an issue. I hope that trend continues. As I said, I love my car!
on Flickr
Jimmy Coconuts
Veteran Member
- Joined
- Jul 27, 2015
- Location
- Henderson NV
- TDI
- 2009 JSW, 2010 Jetta, 2011 Q7 Prestige, 2012 A3 Premium, 2013 A3 Premium Plus, 2014 Beetle, 2015 Jetta
The thing that scares me is the first 48 months on the RP0 looks a lot like a power function. The tailing at the end between 48 to 51 months could be an anomaly, data entry error, who knows. The data excludes known misfueling events, so that implies the total failure rate is higher.
Y = 0.45*(X^1.56)
Y is cumulative failure rate %
X is years in service
Plug that into Excel, then pour yourself a drink.
Y = 0.45*(X^1.56)
Y is cumulative failure rate %
X is years in service
Plug that into Excel, then pour yourself a drink.
PlaneCrazy
Top Post Dawg
Yikes I don't like that curve. I'm at 51 months service, but had the HPFP replaced a couple of years ago. Thing is, it hadn't actually failed but replaced to correct power loss issues at WOT which I now know to be related to IC condensation build-up (which the IC TSD did NOT fix). I have 137k km now. I'd like to see a curve by mileage though.
I have just negotiated a deal to trade for a 2016 Golf Trendline TSI 5MT. It's what I can afford at the moment but the Trendline for 2016, in Canada, is very nicely kitted out and the only version with cloth seats. Cruise is now standard as is Apple CarPlay and AppConnect. I'm still on the fence because a Highline is still "more car" than a Trendline but honestly the only thing I think I'd miss is my sunroof. Not the leather, not the nav (AppConnect fixes that), and the foglights a bit maybe but not so much.
I'm sure the TSI will have its own issues but at 18k km a year at least I can look forward to 4 (bumper-to-bumper)-5 (powertrain) years warranty coverage.
I have just negotiated a deal to trade for a 2016 Golf Trendline TSI 5MT. It's what I can afford at the moment but the Trendline for 2016, in Canada, is very nicely kitted out and the only version with cloth seats. Cruise is now standard as is Apple CarPlay and AppConnect. I'm still on the fence because a Highline is still "more car" than a Trendline but honestly the only thing I think I'd miss is my sunroof. Not the leather, not the nav (AppConnect fixes that), and the foglights a bit maybe but not so much.
I'm sure the TSI will have its own issues but at 18k km a year at least I can look forward to 4 (bumper-to-bumper)-5 (powertrain) years warranty coverage.
ksing44
Veteran Member
It's true, the rate could accelerate over time based on the shape of the curve. If it goes to 20% at 10-years, that won't be good.
It's funny how 120,000 miles or 10-years sounds like good coverage, until you get to 120,000 miles in pretty quick order. With cars today, that's really not so many miles. I've had my fingers crossed for years now, so I'll just keep hoping for the best as I keep driving my TDI. If the HPFP goes, my back-up plan is to trade the car for a GTI and hope VW takes pity on me with the trade-in price of a TDI with a blown HPFP.
Looks like the cp3 pump retrofit will be a great upgrade for those looking for long lasting pumps. Perfect time is when the timing belt comes up to change at 120k miles. 2micron's kit is great way to mitigate the damage to just the pump if it goes.
kjclow
Top Post Dawg
- Joined
- Apr 26, 2003
- Location
- Charlotte, NC
- TDI
- 2010 JSW TDI silver and black. 2017 Ram Ecodiesel dark red with brown and beige interior.
There are times that I really miss the sunroof, like days when it is upper 90s and I could vent heat out the back of the sunroof. However, I am glad that I don't have the pano roof. I think that would really cook my interior. As for the fog lights, since I live in the suburbs, I've never really needed them. I know your drive is a lot different from mine.
PlaneCrazy
Top Post Dawg
I'm actually disappointed the Mk VII has the pano roof, so the lack of sunroof on a Trendline is a plus for me. I wish they stayed with a normal sunroof.
The fogs are a marginal improvement in bad weather. I did like the cornering feature on my unlit dirt road.
Back on the subject, my wife claims to want to keep her wagon 10 years. That'll be about 200-250k km. So I hope that curve keeps being updated as I'll watch it like a hawk. At the end of the warranty, I'll for sure look at taking steps to secure the fuel system.
kjclow
Top Post Dawg
- Joined
- Apr 26, 2003
- Location
- Charlotte, NC
- TDI
- 2010 JSW TDI silver and black. 2017 Ram Ecodiesel dark red with brown and beige interior.
I'm planning on ten years for each car too, but the wagen may end up going to one of the kids before the ten years are up. If the mileage numbers look good and the engine gets good reviews, I am thinking about a 2017 GMC Canyon diesel.
PlaneCrazy
Top Post Dawg
I was thinking the same with our wagon but by the time it's 10, my oldest will be 32 and my youngest 27. I'm hoping by then they can do their own thing automotively and not rely on hand-me-downs from the old farts... then we can hang on to one old car as a winter beater.
mr_y82
Veteran Member
ericy
Veteran Member
The thing I don't like about the curve is that it seems like we should have a lot more data on the RP1 and RP1+ by now. A lot more data on all pumps, in fact.
I have a 2014 JSW that now has only 10K miles. I still have plenty of time to decide what to do - at the moment I am trying to get a feel for how big a deal this is for the newer pumps and the newer models.
On my old ALH, I had the FIP replaced (twice
). But when those things go bad, they don't contaminate the rest of the fuel system. I could put in a 2micron when I get close to the end of the warranty..Eljean
Veteran Member
- Joined
- Oct 10, 2002
- Location
- Morley, Michigan
2011 JSW TDI-25,000 miles-safe buy?
Hi All...
Contemplating buying 2011 JSW w/ 25k on it. No warranty due to rebuilt title, never seen winter..front driver corner crunched with 2445 mi. on it.
I've read through a lot of this... My fears...
HPFP going bad
Exhaust flap
EGR
Intercooler freeze
You guys are the experts…It’s a young TDI – should I go for it? Is there any “preventative maintenance” I could do to maybe prevent or delay any of the above failures?
Love TDI’s- We have 8 – bought 5 from TDI members
2 - 96, 1-97 Passats – not driving - for sale/parts – manual – Mom’s – Mom needs new car
2 – 99.5 Jetta’s – 374k lifted (our intro to TDI club) and 100k – manual - son
1 – 2000 Golf – 245k+ auto - daughter
1 – 2001 Jetta - 230k son
1 – 2002 Jetta - 210k (future son-in-law)
1 – 2009 JSW - 170k (non-biological son I claim) recent purchase, working on new clutch install right now
1 – 2001 Beetle –130k gasser (future daughter-in-law)
I really appreciate your honest input. Test drove the car, looks, feels new…really tight. Wiped the tailpipe…a little soot, not much, more like road crud. He's asking $15k, don't think he'll budge much.
Eljean
231-250-0489
Hi All...
Contemplating buying 2011 JSW w/ 25k on it. No warranty due to rebuilt title, never seen winter..front driver corner crunched with 2445 mi. on it.
I've read through a lot of this... My fears...
HPFP going bad
Exhaust flap
EGR
Intercooler freeze
You guys are the experts…It’s a young TDI – should I go for it? Is there any “preventative maintenance” I could do to maybe prevent or delay any of the above failures?
Love TDI’s- We have 8 – bought 5 from TDI members
2 - 96, 1-97 Passats – not driving - for sale/parts – manual – Mom’s – Mom needs new car
2 – 99.5 Jetta’s – 374k lifted (our intro to TDI club) and 100k – manual - son
1 – 2000 Golf – 245k+ auto - daughter
1 – 2001 Jetta - 230k son
1 – 2002 Jetta - 210k (future son-in-law)
1 – 2009 JSW - 170k (non-biological son I claim) recent purchase, working on new clutch install right now
1 – 2001 Beetle –130k gasser (future daughter-in-law)
I really appreciate your honest input. Test drove the car, looks, feels new…really tight. Wiped the tailpipe…a little soot, not much, more like road crud. He's asking $15k, don't think he'll budge much.
Eljean
231-250-0489