lemoncurd
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i wouldnt say retaining the engine-bay lift pump is bad, mine served me well for over 250k miles
i dont think youll run into any issues with the cp3 from whitbread
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i dont think youll run into any issues with the cp3 from whitbread
03Golfer
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The Whitbread kit differs from the 2micron instructions in that the Whitbread kit does not have the fancy fuel temp sensor adapter. I used the factory hoses to retain the sensor. The connector requires replacement, the pins are included. I put pin 1 to pin 1 but there were no explicit directions in that regard.
lemoncurd
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yes, for most cp3 kits now you just reuse the temp sensor + hosing as is
regarding the repinning of the connector, this is not required on pump kits which utilize the same style Bosch connector as stock.
if you would like, i can grab some up-close pics of my install. i dont have the whitbread kit however
Unfortunately, once the stock pump goes - you likely have aluminum shavings in the fuel system and the entire system must be replaced to avoid further contamination of the new pump.
lemoncurd
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which i will point out isnt a HUGE HUGE deal to do. it is just financially costly.
you need new injectors, this is a something you do NOT want to skip out on. if one (or more) of your injectors spray patterns are now compromised, you will have hotspots on the piston. this can lead to a cracked piston!
otherwise, after new injectors and a new HPFP, a simple line flush ensuring the return + feed FROM fuel filter is sufficient. i would fast track the fuel filter service for the first 20k miles. probably replace it at 1k miles, 10k, then 20k like normal
Nice - and also, don't forget to pump/drain the tank!
gmcjetpilot
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Got my CP3 pump.
The PUMP is interesting. It was just made 10/21/2024? I just got it 10/27/2024. This is from Whitbread Performance Kit. The pump is remanufactured and comes directly shipped from United Performance Co UK. It is stamped with that recent 10/21/2024 date along with BOSCH and 0445 010 045 with other part numbers CR/CP353/R70/20-789S.... See pictures. I am just curious. It looks well put together.
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I guess the date was what they stamped right before it went out the door and it was already built and tested I hope.
I do not think this is Bosch or at least all OEM parts?
The main housing is new, and has three numbers stamped in it (05483 0983 0511)
Should I trust this. Whitbread has been using them for a long time.
The fuel pressure control valve PN is 0928400643. I think that is a good one but told by Whitbread I need to get a tune. I planned on it. However some say no tune?
The PUMP is interesting. It was just made 10/21/2024? I just got it 10/27/2024. This is from Whitbread Performance Kit. The pump is remanufactured and comes directly shipped from United Performance Co UK. It is stamped with that recent 10/21/2024 date along with BOSCH and 0445 010 045 with other part numbers CR/CP353/R70/20-789S.... See pictures. I am just curious. It looks well put together.
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I guess the date was what they stamped right before it went out the door and it was already built and tested I hope.
I do not think this is Bosch or at least all OEM parts?
The main housing is new, and has three numbers stamped in it (05483 0983 0511)
Should I trust this. Whitbread has been using them for a long time.
The fuel pressure control valve PN is 0928400643. I think that is a good one but told by Whitbread I need to get a tune. I planned on it. However some say no tune?
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Tuheeden
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I have installed 5 of these from United! All excellent Quality and the metering valve is the correct one.Got my CP3 pump.
The PUMP is interesting. It was just made 10/21/2024? I just got it 10/27/2024. This is from Whitbread Performance Kit. The pump is remanufactured and comes directly shipped from United Performance Co UK. It is stamped with that recent 10/21/2024 date along with BOSCH and 0445 010 045 with other part numbers CR/CP353/R70/20-789S.... See pictures. I am just curious. It looks well put together.
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I guess the date was what they stamped right before it went out the door and it was already built and tested I hope.
I do not think this is Bosch or at least all OEM parts?
The main housing is new, and has three numbers stamped in it (05483 0983 0511)
Should I trust this. Whitbread has been using them for a long time.
The fuel pressure control valve PN is 0928400643. I think that is a good one but told by Whitbread I need to get a tune. I planned on it. However some say no tune?
A tune is not required but you will get better performance with a tune. My recommendation would be to add a 2200 fuel rail pressure sensor to get another 100 bar fuel pressure (this requires a tune but if your doing a retune anyhow it's very nice - pn# 04L906054) - and it's only one socket and 5 minutes
My CP3 came with a metering valve that had no PN.. XMan said it was "Probably" PN: 0928400492 and ive had no issues.. Check out what metering valve part numbers are already compatible on TuneZilla.. They have a huge list of metering valve PNs when you go through their Auto tune page. Once I upgraded to a 2200BAR sensor they also offer that on the autotune page as well.. If you've still got emissions everything should still work fine on that end as well.Got my CP3 pump.
The PUMP is interesting. It was just made 10/21/2024? I just got it 10/27/2024. This is from Whitbread Performance Kit. The pump is remanufactured and comes directly shipped from United Performance Co UK. It is stamped with that recent 10/21/2024 date along with BOSCH and 0445 010 045 with other part numbers CR/CP353/R70/20-789S.... See pictures. I am just curious. It looks well put together.
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I guess the date was what they stamped right before it went out the door and it was already built and tested I hope.
I do not think this is Bosch or at least all OEM parts?
The main housing is new, and has three numbers stamped in it (05483 0983 0511)
Should I trust this. Whitbread has been using them for a long time.
The fuel pressure control valve PN is 0928400643. I think that is a good one but told by Whitbread I need to get a tune. I planned on it. However some say no tune?
calimustang
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YES! you are correct. glad to hear about United. I have been eyeing on them but not sure of the pricing and such. my CP3 is 200k miles old now. would like to have an backup.... just in case. my FMV has been 0928400643 on 2 set. (old 2011 JSW by 2micron so I kept his advices/tips for FMV 0928400643 and such) this is my 2nd 2micron cp3 in my 2014 JSW. (from other owner who no longer have the TDI with 20k miles on it and I racked 180k miles on it)
Tuheeden
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Couple of notes:
- Yes you can order a spare CP3 direct from United for a good price. I keep one on hand.
- Yes in California you CAN do a CP3 and 2200 bar sensor and not violate any emissions laws. The tune only adjusts the injection duration and metering valve and leaves everything else as is
These two upgrades I recommend on every CJA or CBE that comes my way. They start quicker and usually pick up a couple of MPG. And of course no CP4 grenade issues
- Yes you can order a spare CP3 direct from United for a good price. I keep one on hand.
- Yes in California you CAN do a CP3 and 2200 bar sensor and not violate any emissions laws. The tune only adjusts the injection duration and metering valve and leaves everything else as is
These two upgrades I recommend on every CJA or CBE that comes my way. They start quicker and usually pick up a couple of MPG. And of course no CP4 grenade issues
smelly621
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This is not true, CARB knows what the checksum on your ecu/tune should be and any aftermarket tune is not going to match their database causing a fail during a smog check
turbodieseldyke
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Has this actually happened to anyone? There was FUD going around when the new rule took effect, but one by one, people reported their tuned cars passed the test.
Tuheeden
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I do not live in California but my response about the tune was based on reports from others that say they passed the test.
However the CP3 can be dropped in with no tune so that should be fine in any case.
Like most states, it likely depends on the inspection station is my guess
turbodieseldyke
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The smog computers all work the same, so if one doesn't catch the tune, another one won't either. The only thing that varies between stations is the visual checks.
smelly621
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I have only heard of the earlier edc15 ecu based TDIs not getting flagged when smoging with a tune. Haven't seen anyone with a common rail that's wanted to test their luck on that front
gmcjetpilot
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That is the INFO I needed! OK I feel better, thanks for this. Yes on adjusting for fuel pressure Reg setting. Will do.
The 2200 bar rail pressure sensor, I have been confused on that.. You confirm this option not needed but a nice one. I don't plan on hot rod tunes any way, but this makes sense to do. I don't want over pressure codes that might pop up (or not).
PS the housing looks like it is bare cast metal or it may have a finish. Will that rust? Should I clean and paint the surface? Other "Bosch" CP2 pump housings have a in images a smooth look with a coating or finish.
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gmcjetpilot
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One tiny question. Why "I keep one on hand"? I expect (in my mind) a CP3 will last 200,000 miles ( or more ) and if it fails output will get low benignly, aka no shrapnel in fuel system. Go buy a pump at that time. Are they going to become un-obtain-knee-um, rare?
I read over the years CP3's are not available, hard to get. Yet when I started looking I saw new ones out there for about a grand. (I don't know if they are new Bosch or aftermarket new). Also it is unclear what CP3 will fit (to me), as it seems not all CP3's look the same in fit, and not compatible with a VW TDI.
Then there are Re-Man pumps, which is what I settled on. Warehousing an expensive part for a decade or two that I may never need is not seem cost effective for me. If you have one spare that's cool. Not picking on you. Are you a Pro in repair business? What am I missing?
PS the housing looks like it is bare cast metal or it may have a finish. Will that rust? Should I clean and paint the surface? Other "Bosch" CP2 pump housings have a in images a smooth look with a coating or finish.
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Tuheeden
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Once you have a CP3 if your going to do a tune anyway, the 2200 bar sensor is only like a $99 tune and gives you an additional 100 bar of fuel pressure. This noticably improves power while shorter duration lowers EGT and can even slightly improve fuel economy. And since it's a 5 minute install, why not!!
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what he said, yep it made my JSW a entirely different animal.
Tuheeden
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I keep one around because I have 4 of them in service and then I get my friends to buy VW and I sell it to them! The pump direct from United is like 375 pounds so not bad.
And YES the surface does get some rust. I was also thinking of painting them or even cerakote! Maybe do the intake too!
lemoncurd
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get a 2700bar.. 2200bar is a pointless upgrade. if your tuner says to get a 2200bar it is because theyre an objectively bad tuner who cant figure out how to tune the fuel pressure for use with a 2700bar. so their solution is to instead pin the fuel pressure, and shoot for above the sensor range so that the ECU is blind to any fuel fluctations outside the sensor range which would otherwise cause a fault/DTC-trigger
Tuheeden
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I have the 2700 in one of mine but the 2200 is cheaper and easier to get and stock injectors are maxed at 2000 bar so unless you are planning on upgraded injectors I just use the 2200. But I do agree with you that if you might ever upgrade you can get the 2700 and be done.
lemoncurd
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lookup the 2700bar PN i have in my sig
theyre like <$30. $13 from china specifically.
there is no problem with going with a larger sensor, unless of course your tuner cant handle it
lemoncurd
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just rerouted my OEM canister fuel lines. looped the returns together, and piped the CP3 return directly into the tank return.
effectively making the OEM canister/filter an inline filter
i was able to bleed with VCDS this way!
effectively making the OEM canister/filter an inline filter
i was able to bleed with VCDS this way!
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lemoncurd
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my butt dyno says the car runs better. the engine feels smoother, and i havent been able to induce limp mode with it setup like this.
after talking to my tuner, it's likely how i had it setup before was a bit problematic. the cp3 is designed to run with some, constant, feed pressure.
with the canister setup like OEM, without the second auxiliary pump, the cp3 has zero feed/head pressure, and instead SUCKS fuel from the fuel canister.
with how it's setup now, fuel is supplied TO the pump, it no longer "sucks" the fuel in.
i still need to go log and confirm these suspicions, but the logic checks out... and the proof is in the pudding, i havent been able to get it to go into limp mode
gmcjetpilot
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OK thanks for info. I may paint the pump.... Fire Engine Red. Ha ha.
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Did the same thing to mine. I've had the low rail pressure limp mode for over a year when I go WOT; especially in sport mode. Took it for a ride and couldn't get it to go into limp mode after doing this. Will continue to drive it and see but I'm very optimistic. Car pulls hard and runs really nice. Stage 2 Malone cp3 ckra intake Darkside intercooler. Thanks for posting this.just rerouted my OEM canister fuel lines. looped the returns together, and piped the CP3 return directly into the tank return.
effectively making the OEM canister/filter an inline filter
i was able to bleed with VCDS this way!
One last thing, the routing is different on the A3 filter canister. Here is a screenshot: