Considering Switching From Jetta to Golf

Sergeant TDI

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I got the Jetta because I thought it looked better and was more reasonably priced than the golf, but the loss of a hatch has made things considerably more difficult since I've had it. I think I might change it up through a loan trade with a Golf owner.

Any reason why a switch to golf or a loan trade would be an issue?
 
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Ol'Rattler

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If you can find someone that just wants to trade, you might do O.K.. If you go to a dealer or car lot, they always want to make some money, so you will pay.

The Jetta and the Golf are really the same car. the Jetta has a bigger trunk while the Golf has a hatch with a shorter total length.

So what are the real advantages of a hatch besides less cargo area?
 

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The Jetta and the Golf are really the same car. the Jetta has a bigger trunk while the Golf has a hatch with a shorter total length.
So what are the real advantages of a hatch besides less cargo area?
The '12 Jetta and Golf are different platforms...the 'new' Jetta has gotten some pretty mediocre reviews.
 

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Depending on where you are in your loan you might do ok.

I traded in our '11 Jetta sedan and went to a '12 JSW - I lost a little bit of money but not much.
 

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I got the Jetta because I thought it looked better and was more reasonably priced than the golf, but the loss of a hatch has made things considerably more difficult since I've had it. I think I might change it up through a loan trade with a Golf owner.

Any reason why a switch to golf or a loan trade would be an issue?
The Jetta is nice and roomier and the engine and transmission are the same. The only reasons not to trade are that you feel the Jetta is nicer looking and is a better value and it will cost you more money to trade.

Is it worth it to you to pay more to walk away with a hatch and a smaller, lesser looking vehicle?
 

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You'll always take a hit trading a new car so soon. I had a loaner Jetta for 2 days while the dealer replaced an oil cartidge cover they broke during my 10,000 mile service call. The difference between the 2 cars is like night and day. I like the looks of the Jetta and maybe I'm a hard-to-please customer but the Golf has that substantial "German" feel that the Jetta lacks. Even the Passat that I drove doesn't quite measure up. The cars is more composed on the road, the doors close with a louder "thunk" and the interior details are more high-end (even the inside of the glove-box is lined). The Golf is built to European standards and they are used to paying more for a small car. It doesn't mean it's a better 'value' - it just feels like a more sophisticated and substantial car when you're driving it. In the U.S. it actaully dperciates a little more than the JSW (don't know yet about the redesigned Jetta Sedan) because the demand isn't as high over here. The Golf actually is built on a different platform than even the JSW (which is more like a "MkV 1/2" for lack of a better term). The Mark V's (Rabbit and JSW were identical). The Mark VI's are very close but the Golf is quieter due to different windshield design and body-welding etc. I drove it alone in 1 day from Chicago to Denver with only one stop in Omaha for gas and was not even tired when I arrived 14 1/2 hours later. I love the car.
 

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The Jetta is nice and roomier and the engine and transmission are the same. The only reasons not to trade are that you feel the Jetta is nicer looking and is a better value and it will cost you more money to trade.

Is it worth it to you to pay more to walk away with a hatch and a smaller, lesser looking vehicle?
Looks are subjective (many folks here much prefer the Golf over a Jetta in the looks dept), but as said above, other than sharing common drivetrains, the MK6 Golf is a better car: independent rear sus, better sound insulation, interior materials, sound insulated glass and other items make a big difference in the driving experience.

To the OP: if you can afford to take the depreciation hit, go for it. It's a better driving car. It would of course be wiser financially to drive your Jetta a few years before trading it in. By then the MK7 may be out too.
 

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Thanks for all the good pointers! I don't plan on taking any kind of hit with the kind of trade I'm thinking about. I literally want to trade loans. Apples for apples.

For example Person/Dealership A has a car that I want with about the same or less value. I sign papers transferring the title and loan obligation to my name. They, in turn sign a paper taking over my loan obligation and title. Unless this type of transaction is taxable, I don't think I would loose much, if anything at all.

I saw a 2011 Golf 6M with 1k miles going for $22k on Ebay through a dealer. Maybe they would be willing to trade :)
 

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So what are the real advantages of a hatch besides less cargo area?
Just my .02, but I passed on the new Jetta when I heard VW cheaped out and went with a torsion bar rear axle setup versus the Golf's traditional independent rear. Most people won't notice, but the spirited drivers amongst us certainly can. As it is, FWD to me is already a disadvantage on the twisties and track so losing an independent rear end was definitely a deal killer.

The Golf I believe is also slightly lighter than its sedan counterpart. It was also nice to know that the Golf TDI is still made in Germany rather than Mexico. Just a personal preference thing really...
 

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Looks are subjective (many folks here much prefer the Golf over a Jetta in the looks dept), but as said above, other than sharing common drivetrains, the MK6 Golf is a better car: independent rear sus, better sound insulation, interior materials, sound insulated glass and other items make a big difference in the driving experience.

To the OP: if you can afford to take the depreciation hit, go for it. It's a better driving car. It would of course be wiser financially to drive your Jetta a few years before trading it in. By then the MK7 may be out too.
I am not talking about which car is better or which car in both a Golf and Jetta forum folks like better and just to be clear, I have a Golf on order. The OP said: "I got the Jetta because I thought it looked better and was more reasonably priced than the golf, but the loss of a hatch has made things considerably more difficult since I've had it... " My point is that if you have already purchased a Jetta (which is a nice pick and depending on your needs and desires is alot of car for less money than the money) and you like the looks, price etc., but don't like not having a hatch, then there may be additional reasons to like and keep what you have in place of the hatch including depending on the options a pano sunroof, more interior volume- a relatively huge cargo area... and like you said at the end of the day, it has the same drivetrain.

To the OP: If it ends up being an even or near even trade and you really want the hatch and the Golf than I don't see any reason not to make the trade
 

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As far as I know, all Golf TDIs are still made in Germany.

My vin starts with WVW.

P.S. Just because its made in one country versus another doesn't mean a whole lot in overall reliability. It's more a component level thing than anything else. I only preferred Germany for the heritage. I probably would have been just as satisfied with a Mexican or American made VW as long as QC remained high.
 
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If you can pull off that sort of trade, just switching payments with someone, then do it. The golf has less rear passenger room, but has same trunk space plus a whole lot more with the seats down. Also, the golf will out handle the jetta by a long shot.
 

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I love the hatch!!! Last week I had a show to play and transported my bass rig : 4x10" cab, 1x15" cab, 350 watt head, bass guitar, acoustic guitar. Also our lead singer and his acoustic in the car!!! talk about practical.... oh and on the trip from Austin to San Marcos still got 44 mpgs!
 

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If you can find someone that just wants to trade, you might do O.K.. If you go to a dealer or car lot, they always want to make some money, so you will pay.

The Jetta and the Golf are really the same car. the Jetta has a bigger trunk while the Golf has a hatch with a shorter total length.

So what are the real advantages of a hatch besides less cargo area?
The golf actually has more ~usable~ storage space. I couldn't get nearly as much stuff in my mk4 GLI as i can in my TDI golf. The rear brace between the trunk and cabin pretty much makes the trunk useless for anything very long wide or tall.
 

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Ditto

The '12 Jetta and Golf are different platforms...the 'new' Jetta has gotten some pretty mediocre reviews.
Golf feels like and Audi inside. Jetta and JSW not so much.

Made in Germany vs Made in Mexico

Drive both and you'll see.
 

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I have driven the JSW , jetta mk5 and 6 each for about a week and IMO the golf is the nicest with the JSW nearly identical except for the inside door panels . The golf more refined than all I have driven and quieter and handles best as well , again just my .02 !
 

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If you can find someone that just wants to trade, you might do O.K.. If you go to a dealer or car lot, they always want to make some money, so you will pay.

The Jetta and the Golf are really the same car. the Jetta has a bigger trunk while the Golf has a hatch with a shorter total length.

So what are the real advantages of a hatch besides less cargo area?
Where are the advantages? well let's start with the hatch...HUGE advantage that I have used many times already.....or the different platform that gives you independent suspension...uh yes...its REAL noticeable. And then go sit in both cars. Every time I jump in an Audi I never feel much different when I jump in a highline golf. I wont bore you with all the feature differences ....I would pay more for the Golf any day. and I did!
 

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Has anyone ever had trouble with the cloth seats? Smell, durability, comfort, etc. I like the leatherette because it's easy to clean. Has anyone with a two door ever had any issues with getting people/stuff in and out?
 
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I love the hatch!!! Last week I had a show to play and transported my bass rig : 4x10" cab, 1x15" cab, 350 watt head, bass guitar, acoustic guitar. Also our lead singer and his acoustic in the car!!! talk about practical.... oh and on the trip from Austin to San Marcos still got 44 mpgs!
that's what i'm talking about, baby - i get two electrics (in hard cases) plus my VOX amp in the hatch w/out even folding a seat down... fold them down and you can practically jam the London Philharmonic in there!;)

taking every little thing into consideration, the Golf is rock AND roll - you will not be sorry.
 

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If you can pull off that sort of trade, just switching payments with someone, then do it. The golf has less rear passenger room, but has same trunk space plus a whole lot more with the seats down. Also, the golf will out handle the jetta by a long shot.
While the volume with seats up is close to the same, the space is different. The golf trunk isn't as deep as the sedan (correct?) but is much taller - floor of trunk to roof. Whereas the Jetta sedan is deeper but only as tall as the top of the trunk lid, and the trunk arms on the Jetta cut into the space a bit. Depending on what you carry mostly this could be a deciding factor (doesn't seem to be one for the OP and that's good)

Anyways, the hatch definitely makes loading easier - really enjoying the JSW because of that.
 

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Has anyone ever had trouble with the cloth seats? Smell, durability, comfort, etc. I like the leatherette because it's easy to clean. Has anyone with a two door ever had any issues with getting people/stuff in and out?
I have a 4-door but have not had any problem with the seat durability etc after 18,000 miles. I was reticent about having cloth, preferring the leatherette in the JSW as well and except for my 2008 Rabbit(Golf) have only had leather for the past 20 years. However, once I saw the improvement of this Golf's cloth vs the econobox-style mousehair fabric in the 08 Gas Rabbit, I was much relieved. Even though I don't know what the long-term durability will be it starts off much more german-like in terms of firm, durable feel. It's comfortable, but I'm afraid any fabric will be subject to acquiring smells and stains more readily than leather or vinyl - can't be avoided. However, after 15 months, mine still smells new and since it's black, does not show dirt like a gray or beige fabric would. There are firms that convert front and back seats to leather for $1,500 or less. The 4-door has power-reclining seats which is one reason I chose it over the 2-door. I have the DSG auto because even though I like rowing gears, it's almost impossible to use one in weekday Chicago rush-hour traffic, which can keep me in stop-and-go agony for up to 2 hours each way. That said, I love the brilliant DSG and know that some complain about it. It's so much more affirmative and quick than a traditional Automatic, it really feels like a manual that someone is expertly using. Some reviewers think it "bucks" around town but once you know the correct amount of throttle to use it never happens. Have never had a single issue with my Golf and as long as I don't go into HPFP panic, plan on keeping it a long time
 

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I have a 4-door but have not had any problem with the seat durability etc after 18,000 miles. I was reticent about having cloth, preferring the leatherette in the JSW as well and except for my 2008 Rabbit(Golf) have only had leather for the past 20 years. However, once I saw the improvement of this Golf's cloth vs the econobox-style mousehair fabric in the 08 Gas Rabbit, I was much relieved. Even though I don't know what the long-term durability will be it starts off much more german-like in terms of firm, durable feel. It's comfortable, but I'm afraid any fabric will be subject to acquiring smells and stains more readily than leather or vinyl - can't be avoided. However, after 15 months, mine still smells new and since it's black, does not show dirt like a gray or beige fabric would. There are firms that convert front and back seats to leather for $1,500 or less. The 4-door has power-reclining seats which is one reason I chose it over the 2-door. I have the DSG auto because even though I like rowing gears, it's almost impossible to use one in weekday Chicago rush-hour traffic, which can keep me in stop-and-go agony for up to 2 hours each way. That said, I love the brilliant DSG and know that some complain about it. It's so much more affirmative and quick than a traditional Automatic, it really feels like a manual that someone is expertly using. Some reviewers think it "bucks" around town but once you know the correct amount of throttle to use it never happens. Have never had a single issue with my Golf and as long as I don't go into HPFP panic, plan on keeping it a long time
Thanks for the thoughtful post. I didn't know the 4 door had power reclining seats, that's very nice. The lever in the Jetta is a little bit stiff. I know about the leather upholsterers. A friend of mine got it done to his old civic a while back when the seats started to fray. He paid about $500 The upholstering job didn't even last 2 years before some of the stitching started to break.

As for the DSG, I agree that when you are going above 25 mph it's heavenly, but I still think that it needs some work when you are going slow. When I tested the Jetta I drove a 2.5 gasser and the clunkyness when going slow wasn't there. The issues with DSG are purely a diesel model problem.
 

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Thanks for the thoughtful post. I didn't know the 4 door had power reclining seats, that's very nice. The lever in the Jetta is a little bit stiff. I know about the leather upholsterers. A friend of mine got it done to his old civic a while back when the seats started to fray. He paid about $500 The upholstering job didn't even last 2 years before some of the stitching started to break.

As for the DSG, I agree that when you are going above 25 mph it's heavenly, but I still think that it needs some work when you are going slow. When I tested the Jetta I drove a 2.5 gasser and the clunkyness when going slow wasn't there. The issues with DSG are purely a diesel model problem.

soooooo....decision?? the enveloppe please.....
 

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As for the DSG, I agree that when you are going above 25 mph it's heavenly, but I still think that it needs some work when you are going slow. When I tested the Jetta I drove a 2.5 gasser and the clunkyness when going slow wasn't there. The issues with DSG are purely a diesel model problem.
The 2.5L cars equipped with the auto trans are conventional "slush-boxes". I have a friend with a GTI with the DSG and he has said it is a little clunky when going slow. I think it is because the car doesn't know exactly what you are going to do and it's trying to anticipate whether you are going to stop or go.
 
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The 2.0t jetta I had as a loaner while the dealership was paying to have my stereo transferred from my gli to my tdi had the DSG. It wasn't clunky at all, but it always wanted to haul ass. I think i got maybe 25mpg in that car combined for the 3 weeks I had it.
 

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Night and Day

I drove both the Jetta and Golf and for me it was an incredibly easy choice to make. The Golf feels more substantial inside, more screwed together, in my mind a nicer place to be. It handled better over the same roads on the test drive course and was quieter too. You pay a little more but it is worth it.
 

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I drove both the Jetta and Golf and for me it was an incredibly easy choice to make. The Golf feels more substantial inside, more screwed together, in my mind a nicer place to be. It handled better over the same roads on the test drive course and was quieter too. You pay a little more but it is worth it.
You pay more because the golf is still on the old platform and the jetta has all the cost savings from the new platform. Crappy rear suspension, crappy interior plastics, etc.
 
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