Chrysler Diesel Cheat?
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kjclow
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What a surprise! I guess now we will find out what really happens to one of the big three when they got cuaght with their hand in the cookie jar. Are their ECUs produced by Bosch?
Max Period
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14PassatTDISE
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Time to "invest" in a 2014 Grand Cherokee? lol
Mr. Furious
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I will be very interested to see. Chrysler is the least American of the big 3, but they still have a lot of lobbying power.
TurnOne
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Stock was down almost 20%, now 12%.
I wouldn't trust FCA to give away as much as VW did.
VW much stronger company.
I wouldn't trust FCA to give away as much as VW did.
VW much stronger company.
TDI_SC
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The Diesel in my 2015 Grand Cherokee is Italian sourced....
TDI_SC
TDI_SC
atomicfront
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Isn't Trump putting an oil executive in charge of EPA? I doubt they get any punishment at all .
Carphuntin_god
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http://jalopnik.com/everything-we-know-so-far-about-jeep-and-ram-s-alleged-1791118844
Implies they are hoping new administration and EPA chief will be much nicer to them.
Implies they are hoping new administration and EPA chief will be much nicer to them.
we'll see. I bought a Lariat model RAM ecodiesel five months ago to replace my 2015 TDI Golf.
btw, today is my Golf turn in date. So imagine my surprise to see that I am trading one diesel emissions scandal for another
seriously though, this ecodiesel has been amazing. I have 11,500 miles on it and current life time average economy is 28.3 mpg.
btw, today is my Golf turn in date. So imagine my surprise to see that I am trading one diesel emissions scandal for another
seriously though, this ecodiesel has been amazing. I have 11,500 miles on it and current life time average economy is 28.3 mpg.
Ram4Sam
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Why....yes it is.....
Lucky me......In late 2015, FCA bought back/replaced my 2014 Ram 3500 truck because of electrical issues they couldn't fix.....Just turned my 2015 jetta in about three weeks ago. The VW deal paid a little better.......Sam
TDI2000Zim
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It is easy for Fiat-Chrysler to defend itself. They just have to say:
"WE SUBCONTRACTED VOLKSWAGEN AG FOR OUR DIESEL EMISSION SYSTEM!"
However, as more and more AMERICAN companies get outed in diesel cheating, I expect President Trump to come to the defense of TDI automobiles/light trucks.
Who knows, maybe the EPA will get some changes in their rules...
kjclow
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I like this in the FAQ:
What should I do if I own an affected 3.0-liter diesel Dodge Ram or Jeep Grand Cherokee?
There is nothing you need to do at this time.
They should have worded it as, "There is nothing you can do! We're doing all we can to get those smelly diesels off the road."
k1xv
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Go through two buybacks back to back? Why not? I read about numerous people on this site who say they are replacing their 2 liter VW with a 3 liter VW/Audi.
What do they think is going to happen to their replacement vehicle?
What do they think is going to happen to their replacement vehicle?
az7000'
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That's me and I'm hoping for a $10k + payment after they fix it with a sweet extended warranty like the Gen 3's. And like many here I bought extra 2.0's too!
The Jeep diesel engines are the ones developed in Europe by GM Motori, a company owned partly by GM and Fiat. These are 3.0 L engines.
I would be interested to hear which company developed the emissions system.
I would be interested to hear which company developed the emissions system.
GoFaster
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Having read some of the underlying documentation, this appears to be an "undeclared AECD" issue as opposed to an "intentional cheat" issue.
To illustrate the difference:
VW: "If vehicle is being operated on a dyno, use emission strategy A. Otherwise, use emission strategy B." That's not legal.
Chrysler (example, because I don't know the exact circumstances): "If vehicle speed and load conditions exceed X, ramp down EGR." It so happens that X is never exceeded during the test procedures ... but if they did, it would work the same on the dyno as it did on the road. This, as I understand it, is quasi-legal and can be approved by the authorities (therefore legal) IF the strategy is declared as an AECD - but they didn't do that.
All engine manufacturers "teach to the test" and calibrate their systems (not just emissions) to pass the tests that they will be subjected to. What happens when conditions are present which are outside of those experienced in the test ... varies.
Spark-ignition gasoline engines typically run richer than stoichiometric (no longer in closed-loop operation) when you mash the accelerator all the way to the floor, for example. That creates enormously more HC, CO, and PM than the regulations otherwise allow. But it's approved as an AECD (and has to be declared and approved!) because the consequence otherwise would be melted pistons and exhaust valves and it could destroy the catalyst.
To illustrate the difference:
VW: "If vehicle is being operated on a dyno, use emission strategy A. Otherwise, use emission strategy B." That's not legal.
Chrysler (example, because I don't know the exact circumstances): "If vehicle speed and load conditions exceed X, ramp down EGR." It so happens that X is never exceeded during the test procedures ... but if they did, it would work the same on the dyno as it did on the road. This, as I understand it, is quasi-legal and can be approved by the authorities (therefore legal) IF the strategy is declared as an AECD - but they didn't do that.
All engine manufacturers "teach to the test" and calibrate their systems (not just emissions) to pass the tests that they will be subjected to. What happens when conditions are present which are outside of those experienced in the test ... varies.
Spark-ignition gasoline engines typically run richer than stoichiometric (no longer in closed-loop operation) when you mash the accelerator all the way to the floor, for example. That creates enormously more HC, CO, and PM than the regulations otherwise allow. But it's approved as an AECD (and has to be declared and approved!) because the consequence otherwise would be melted pistons and exhaust valves and it could destroy the catalyst.
Max Period
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Yes they are EDC17
Previous AG of Oklahoma is being appointed.
Carphuntin_god
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2wd or awd?
DanB36
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Add me to the list. What do I expect? A nice crossover/SUV, good cargo and hauling capacity, good economy, a fix, and probably some decent compensation out of that settlement too.
Mr. Furious
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The oil executive has been nominated for Secretary of State.
The EPA nominee is most notable outside of Oklahoma for repeatedly suing the EPA, though, so his overall point stands.
mine is 4wd
leather, sun roof, cooled seats, every damn option they sell... Amazing truck. I couldn't be more pleased with it.
But, Like my amazing Golf, if they do a buy back in a year or two and I get more than I paid for it... it's gone too
leather, sun roof, cooled seats, every damn option they sell... Amazing truck. I couldn't be more pleased with it.
But, Like my amazing Golf, if they do a buy back in a year or two and I get more than I paid for it... it's gone too