TDiSkater
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You are correct. I can see the residue from where the sticker was located. Currently unlabeled. Fantastic. I used that station for my gas, but was bummed when I saw the bio label after I went TDI. Big Smile. Thanks.
Chicago 2009 TDI Owners: Non-Biodiesel Support Group
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TDiSkater
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Correction or update. Shell at 176 and 21 had our favorite blue b5 to b20 sticker on pump today. Oh well. I knew the price being 30 plus cents cheaper than all else was likely a bad sign. I wonder if I just missed the sticker when I drove through last time I posted. I didn't see it until I went to grab the nozzle. It was not on the pump but on the post just above the nozzle head. Easy to miss.
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Crows Synthetics
Vendor
I did not read all the posts I thought the 09 TDI could not burn Biodiesel?
Bill
Bill
TDiSkater
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The point of this thread is most here are trying to avoid bio while we are under warranty. However IL mostly sells B11 and soon B20. Probably 90 percent of stations or more now. So we call out when we find a D2 station or when one switches
cmeller
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The Shell on Peterson near Butterfield in Libertyville still doesn't have any stickers on the pump, not that I think they are using any different fuel than the Shell on 21
However, I'll just keep filling up with whatever they have and hope for the best. I'm hoping I will be one of the 99% who don't have an issue and if i do, VW of A will do the honorable thing.
Crows Synthetics
Vendor
Thank for the comment I assume it was meant for me.
Bill
mjez
Veteran Member
Are there any software engineers on this forum? How about making an Android and iPhone app that would help us find D2 stations in North America.
Also, once developed and on the market there would be a one time fee of $2-$5 to make sure that only people that need to use it download it and it would also keep away people that want to update it with false info.
What do you think?
Also, once developed and on the market there would be a one time fee of $2-$5 to make sure that only people that need to use it download it and it would also keep away people that want to update it with false info.
What do you think?
WhiteSoxYay
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Premium Diesel around Chicago's north burbs
I was gonna check Fries Automotive and will call back when the fuel supplier is there.
Regarding the Meijer station at 1301 Meijer Dr., when I called them the dudes behind the counter had no clue what I was talking about. I found the name and number of the guy at Schaeffer Oil (St. Louis) who puts in additives (containing no alcohol) for fuel they sell to Meijer and said they do not use biodiesel. They also said that the fuel they usually use is Marathon or Shell, usually. I went over to fill it up and my Golf has been smooooooth! It's driving great with great acceleration. That's going to be my main filling place.
BTW: The BP at Tower and Green Bay Rd in Winnetka doesn't have B2 which they said they did. There is a difference and stopped filling from there.
Go Golf Go!
I was gonna check Fries Automotive and will call back when the fuel supplier is there.
Regarding the Meijer station at 1301 Meijer Dr., when I called them the dudes behind the counter had no clue what I was talking about. I found the name and number of the guy at Schaeffer Oil (St. Louis) who puts in additives (containing no alcohol) for fuel they sell to Meijer and said they do not use biodiesel. They also said that the fuel they usually use is Marathon or Shell, usually. I went over to fill it up and my Golf has been smooooooth! It's driving great with great acceleration. That's going to be my main filling place.
BTW: The BP at Tower and Green Bay Rd in Winnetka doesn't have B2 which they said they did. There is a difference and stopped filling from there.
Go Golf Go!
TDiSkater
Veteran Member
Fries told me they only have truck nozzles and that I wouldn't be allowed to fill at their place. If Fries is close, the BP at Sanders and Willow is currently selling D2. Also that BP pump handles have giant Diesel markers. No chance of a misfuel.
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Tom in chicago
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BP at Tower and Green Bay
"BTW: The BP at Tower and Green Bay Rd in Winnetka doesn't have B2 which they said they did. There is a difference and stopped filling from there.
Go Golf Go!"
I thought they were selling pure diesel. Are you saying that they are selling B11? Does anyone no any sources of pure diesel in Rogers Park or the North Shore?
I am East of Sheridan Rd on the far north side.
Thanks to everyone posting to this thread.
"BTW: The BP at Tower and Green Bay Rd in Winnetka doesn't have B2 which they said they did. There is a difference and stopped filling from there.
Go Golf Go!"
I thought they were selling pure diesel. Are you saying that they are selling B11? Does anyone no any sources of pure diesel in Rogers Park or the North Shore?
I am East of Sheridan Rd on the far north side.
Thanks to everyone posting to this thread.
Tom in chicago
Active member
Service for a 2009 Jetta BPI
I passed my 2 year warranty period on my Jetta and want to find a good VW mechanic other than the overpriced VW dealers. Any suggestions for the far north side of the city?
I passed my 2 year warranty period on my Jetta and want to find a good VW mechanic other than the overpriced VW dealers. Any suggestions for the far north side of the city?
fjhil1
Member
Speedway on Grand Avenue (Gurnee)
Went looking this past weekend and found that the Speedway on Grand Avenue (132) just east of 94 (next to McDonald's) has non-biodiesel. I noticed that the pump had no sticker and went inside to ask. The manager said they recently scraped the biodiesel stickers off because they stopped stocking biodiesel. He actually called the owner while I was there to confirm that they indeed are receiving non-biodiesel fuel.
Went looking this past weekend and found that the Speedway on Grand Avenue (132) just east of 94 (next to McDonald's) has non-biodiesel. I noticed that the pump had no sticker and went inside to ask. The manager said they recently scraped the biodiesel stickers off because they stopped stocking biodiesel. He actually called the owner while I was there to confirm that they indeed are receiving non-biodiesel fuel.
I just registered here to say thanks for this thread. I live in Louisiana but visit Chicago a few times a year, and the biodiesel thing threw me off today - not used to seeing the option back home. I stopped at the Mobil at the Edens and Half Day and all they had was labeled as up to 20% bio. Anyway, I can confirm that as of today, the BP at Green Bay and Central in Highland Park has pure diesel ($4.29/gallon today). I would never have thought of that station were it not for this thread, so again, thanks.
Also, I wanted to share this quick nugget - found this very interesting and figured you would, too. Before I set out to the BP in HP, I called Audi Exchange in HP asking if they could recommend a station locally that sells non-biodiesel. After being transferred, I explained why I was asking (i.e., that my Q7 owners manual stated that anything over 5% bio matter is "prohibited"). The guy responded that I should go to the Mobil at 41 and Half Day. I told him I had just been there and the fuel was not compliant with what the owners manual calls for. To which, he responded (probably paraphrasing slightly), "honestly, I didn't even know that. We take all our cars there to fill them up." Wow.
Also, I wanted to share this quick nugget - found this very interesting and figured you would, too. Before I set out to the BP in HP, I called Audi Exchange in HP asking if they could recommend a station locally that sells non-biodiesel. After being transferred, I explained why I was asking (i.e., that my Q7 owners manual stated that anything over 5% bio matter is "prohibited"). The guy responded that I should go to the Mobil at 41 and Half Day. I told him I had just been there and the fuel was not compliant with what the owners manual calls for. To which, he responded (probably paraphrasing slightly), "honestly, I didn't even know that. We take all our cars there to fill them up." Wow.
fjhil1
Member
Lake Villa, Antioch, & Gurnee search results
Went to fill up at the Speedway on Grand Avenue (132) just east of 94 (next to McDonald's) and I noticed that the pumps now have the blue sticker
I called Gurnee VW and asked where they are filling up TDI's and they said that the Mobil station at 21 and Washington (by Six Flags) doesn't have bio-diesel.
I also noticed that the pumps at the Citgo on the NE corner of Grand Avenue and 83 (Lake Villa) do NOT have blue stickers. I asked the attendant and she said they were straight diesel.
The Citgo just north on 83 (Antioch) does have the blue sticker.
The Murphy station at Wal-Mart (Antioch) does NOT have the blue stickers. I checked with the Murphy attendant and he said it's not bio-diesel.
I gotta say that I rarely get a good feeling that the attendants really know though....
Went to fill up at the Speedway on Grand Avenue (132) just east of 94 (next to McDonald's) and I noticed that the pumps now have the blue sticker
I called Gurnee VW and asked where they are filling up TDI's and they said that the Mobil station at 21 and Washington (by Six Flags) doesn't have bio-diesel.
I also noticed that the pumps at the Citgo on the NE corner of Grand Avenue and 83 (Lake Villa) do NOT have blue stickers. I asked the attendant and she said they were straight diesel.
The Citgo just north on 83 (Antioch) does have the blue sticker.
The Murphy station at Wal-Mart (Antioch) does NOT have the blue stickers. I checked with the Murphy attendant and he said it's not bio-diesel.
I gotta say that I rarely get a good feeling that the attendants really know though....
Sangiovese
Member
I came across this forum by accident and am very glad to have found it! I have a 2007 MB GL320CDI and have been going crazy trying to find pure diesel. One by one, all of the stations in the NW Chicago suburbs have converted over to bio. The last holdout, Mobil, is now going bio as well..
Here is my contribution to the effort. I'll continue posting as I find stations or as stations convert over.
Waukegan: The Murphy by Wal-Mart in Fountain Square Plaza had bio, then it didn't and now the blue sticker is back again.
Lake Forest: One of the last holdouts, the Mobil station at the I-94 oasis, has now converted to bio. There is a VERY small blue sticker on a hard to see area of the pump.
Vernon Hills: The Mobil on IL-21, across from Ernie's Shell, has pure diesel and has always had pure diesel. Ernie's Shell does not have a blue sticker so perhaps it's OK but I have no idea. The Mobil on Route 60 and Butterfield has bio, along with a huge sign on the pump saying this is not a MObil branded product.
Libertyville: As noted by cmeller, the Shell on Peterson has NO stickers of any kind, not even the green ULSD sticker. The attendant had no idea what kind of diesel they sell. Last I saw, the Citgo on Peterson and Route 21 has bio.
Mundelein: The Clark on US 45 and Hawley had pure diesel until they closed. The station has now re-opened as a Mobil and they have NO stickers on the pump. The Shell that's about 2 blocks south of the new Mobil has bio. The Citgo on Route 45 and Route 176 has bio. So does the Citgo on Butterfield and Allanson.
Grayslake: The Thorntons on Route 45 and Washington has bio and so does the Thornton's on Hainesville Rd and Washington in Hainesville.
In summary, the only station on this list that I have complete confidence about carrying pure diesel is the Mobil on Route 21 in Vernon Hills. This is pretty much the last Mobil station not to use bio, so I'm guessing its days are numbered.
I wonder how many people just fill up with whatever is available and have NO IDEA they are not supposed to be using bio. I really think those of us on this forum and other like-minded people are in the minority. It seems like Mercedes is starting to have issues in the Chicago area because they recently distributed a service bulletin to dealers instructing them how to identify bio-related sludging and other issues. MB dealers also test the fuel in the tank when these types of issues appear. If the tests confirm bio, then warranty service is denied. I would imagine that VW and Audi dealers are doing something similar, or soon will be.
.Here is my contribution to the effort. I'll continue posting as I find stations or as stations convert over.
Waukegan: The Murphy by Wal-Mart in Fountain Square Plaza had bio, then it didn't and now the blue sticker is back again.
Lake Forest: One of the last holdouts, the Mobil station at the I-94 oasis, has now converted to bio. There is a VERY small blue sticker on a hard to see area of the pump.
Vernon Hills: The Mobil on IL-21, across from Ernie's Shell, has pure diesel and has always had pure diesel. Ernie's Shell does not have a blue sticker so perhaps it's OK but I have no idea. The Mobil on Route 60 and Butterfield has bio, along with a huge sign on the pump saying this is not a MObil branded product.
Libertyville: As noted by cmeller, the Shell on Peterson has NO stickers of any kind, not even the green ULSD sticker. The attendant had no idea what kind of diesel they sell. Last I saw, the Citgo on Peterson and Route 21 has bio.
Mundelein: The Clark on US 45 and Hawley had pure diesel until they closed. The station has now re-opened as a Mobil and they have NO stickers on the pump. The Shell that's about 2 blocks south of the new Mobil has bio. The Citgo on Route 45 and Route 176 has bio. So does the Citgo on Butterfield and Allanson.
Grayslake: The Thorntons on Route 45 and Washington has bio and so does the Thornton's on Hainesville Rd and Washington in Hainesville.
In summary, the only station on this list that I have complete confidence about carrying pure diesel is the Mobil on Route 21 in Vernon Hills. This is pretty much the last Mobil station not to use bio, so I'm guessing its days are numbered.
I wonder how many people just fill up with whatever is available and have NO IDEA they are not supposed to be using bio. I really think those of us on this forum and other like-minded people are in the minority. It seems like Mercedes is starting to have issues in the Chicago area because they recently distributed a service bulletin to dealers instructing them how to identify bio-related sludging and other issues. MB dealers also test the fuel in the tank when these types of issues appear. If the tests confirm bio, then warranty service is denied. I would imagine that VW and Audi dealers are doing something similar, or soon will be.
TDiSkater
Veteran Member
The highest volume D2 station remaining in the area and you don't know? Ernie's has 4 diesel pumps and only one auto nozzle. But you trust the Mobil station that has only auto nozzles, doesn't advertise diesel and when I asked the day manager if they had any bio in their diesel said - what's bio diesel. Wonder why they sell diesel at the same price as the nearby bio pumps and 20 to 30 cent lower than all the other local d2 stations? I do.
Sangiovese
Member
Most Shell stations have bio or have unlabeled pumps. Which makes me question all Shell stations. All Mobil stations were pure diesel until recently. I was simply trusting all the indications that this one station has not yet converted. Ultimately, this D2 hide and seek game comes down to trust and playing the odds. It seems that Mobil has some pretty strict labeling standards for their station owners, unlike Shell, which is hit and miss. Which is why I've trusted the Peacock Mobil on Route 21.
Perhaps my trust is misplaced.
So please educate me, a relative newbie to the diesel world. What is the source of your confidence in Ernie's D2? I'm not doubting it. Just trying to learn. Based on your answer, I may become a loyal Ernie's client.
Ultimately, we're all here trying to help one another and keep the evil biodiesel out of our cars.
Perhaps my trust is misplaced.
So please educate me, a relative newbie to the diesel world. What is the source of your confidence in Ernie's D2? I'm not doubting it. Just trying to learn. Based on your answer, I may become a loyal Ernie's client.
Ultimately, we're all here trying to help one another and keep the evil biodiesel out of our cars.
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TDiSkater
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They primarily service trucks, so very high turnover volume. The high flow nozzles allow trucks to fill their tanks quickly. Illinois has strict labeling laws. No label is a pretty good indicator we are safe. I've used Peacock but started getting nervous that turnover was moderate to low. So switched. I use Ernie's or BP at Willow and Sanders ( dealer recommendation). Haven't had a problem with those sources. I really like the turnover at Ernie's. Oh, another indicator safe is a price 15 to 30 cents higher than bio stations. Bio stations don't have to pay a portion of the state taxes on fuel, so you will see a noticable difference.
I believe your Mobil is D2 as it's not labeled. The pricing thing is a bit confusing, but the turnover is what makes me nervous.
I believe your Mobil is D2 as it's not labeled. The pricing thing is a bit confusing, but the turnover is what makes me nervous.
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TDiSkater
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We are lucky out here. There are about seven or eight local unlabeled in the area. Much harder to find elsewhere.
Welcome to Fred's.
Welcome to Fred's.
StoBro2
Well-known member
Back when I still had my JSW TDI, the only non-bio I could find in my area was the Gurnee Fuel Stop (Citgo) on US 41 just north of Stearns School Road. They sold straight D2 AND bio, with the bio always 10 cents less per gallon (that's the IL tax incentive). The big rig pumps were bio, the auto pumps were D2. That may have changed in the last year and a half- I have no reason to travel that far for fuel anymore. Maybe when VW finally greenlights B20 and HPFPs and icing intercoolers are distant memories, I'll get another TDI.
TDiSkater
Veteran Member
Still the same at the fuel stop, but there are a few places still scattered around selling D2.
vonnie77
Active member
This thread has been great however I wonder how many D2 pumps are left. I have been using BP in shorewood on Jefferson road. Its not labeled as Bio and coast about 20 cents more a gallon. Also feece oil in minooka is legit as well. I followed up with mike Feece and he gave me all the specs. It is about 1% Bio but thats it and it has a lubricity rating of 530 which is above VW's limit of 430 I think. So I add a little bit of PS to account for that.
We just bought three new TDI's in the last year and my dad and brother ahd no idea about the B5 limit and sure enough the sales guys said it was fine to run b11. i still question it. My problem is that I live in park ridge and I do not want to drive out to shorewood to get D2. Are there any known D2 locations in the northern burbs? I hear about ernies shell but thats about it.
We just bought three new TDI's in the last year and my dad and brother ahd no idea about the B5 limit and sure enough the sales guys said it was fine to run b11. i still question it. My problem is that I live in park ridge and I do not want to drive out to shorewood to get D2. Are there any known D2 locations in the northern burbs? I hear about ernies shell but thats about it.
TDiSkater
Veteran Member
There are a dozen or more discussed in this thread within the last few months. Are they not close to you? What about the Meijer's near Woodfield? That's the only one in cook that I've heard about.
vonnie77
Active member
Yeah that is very close to me. So I take it its still D2. I was not sure if it had changed to Bio Diesel. This is a dumb question but do you need a meijers membership card to go there or can anyone go. I have never been to a meijers before. Is it like sams club or costco?
dikrek
Member
Meijer is still D2 with Schaeffer's additive.
I called the BP station on Devon Ave in Wood Dale, and they say they have no bio, just premium diesel.
Question regarding Shell:
According to their website they don't sell more than 5% bio.
Is that a lie in IL?
See here:
http://www-static.shell.com/static/usa/downloads/fuels/biodiesel_brochure.pdf
I called the BP station on Devon Ave in Wood Dale, and they say they have no bio, just premium diesel.
Question regarding Shell:
According to their website they don't sell more than 5% bio.
Is that a lie in IL?
See here:
http://www-static.shell.com/static/usa/downloads/fuels/biodiesel_brochure.pdf
dikrek
Member
TDiSkater
Veteran Member
fjhil1
Member
The Shell bio-diesel document is the current document on their corporate website. Not saying it isn't out of date, but it's the current info they are providing to customers and investors. Tried to call Shell corporate today to find out if it's true that they only supply up to B5 as their website states but I was disconnected, twice.
TDiSkater
Veteran Member
My favorite Shell went B11 confirmed by Manager last summer. Park and 21 in Libertyville. Cheap and super high volume. My current Shell is Ernie's and they are unlabeled. I just stay away from the B6 to B20 pumps, at least until thats all that's left. I work close enough to Wisconsin border to fuel there if I need to, but that would be a serious pain.
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