Chevy Colorado Diesel

john.jackson9213

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Sorry, I initially read that as implying to the Diesel engines, not all models. I've also heard that the plant is backed up trying to push out full sized vans too.
Both Toyota and GM are selling all the Colorado/Tacoma/Canyon trucks they can make. Diesel or no diesel, it doesn't really matter. That means they load up the truck with all kinds of up market extras because they make more gross margin that way. So us cheapskates will not get a reasonably priced diesel truck (Or a reasonably priced mid size truck at all).
 

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We are thinking about one as a replacement for both my JSW and 07 Canyon. I haven't looked closely enough to see if the extended cab will be big enough for a car seat when we are visiting the kids. Since the extended cab is not offered with the diesel, then I am forced to look at the crew cab. Current configuration for what I want is over $40K US. I have to look at this as my retirement vehicle and it should meet all of our travel wants for the next 20+ years.
 

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We are thinking about one as a replacement for both my JSW and 07 Canyon. I haven't looked closely enough to see if the extended cab will be big enough for a car seat when we are visiting the kids. Since the extended cab is not offered with the diesel, then I am forced to look at the crew cab. Current configuration for what I want is over $40K US. I have to look at this as my retirement vehicle and it should meet all of our travel wants for the next 20+ years.
Waiting to get some drive time on the Canyon diesel. I've been on the fence to order a Ram 1500 4WD Quad Cab Outdoorsman Ecodiesel. Ram is less money (after discounts) comparably equipped to the Canyon. And the flexibility to configure it is far superior to GM midsize. Competition in the full size truck market is brutal.
Ram has more capability than I need and won't even fit into garage w/o folding in the mirrors.
What's been holding me back is my experience with Jeep Liberty diesel. Waiting to see the initial reliability of Ecodiesel. And I have many years of earnings on my GM Card.:eek:
 

kjclow

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I know a full sized won't fit in my garage unless I get rid of everything else in there. Plus my wife doesn't like driving anything that big. I'm leaning towards a 17 or maybe 18. Kind of depends on how long it takes for the tdi value to recover.
 

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Pickups are less safe than sedans. They lose rear traction because they are light in back and they spin. Probably like SUVs, their high center of gravity makes them flip too.
 

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It only gets 1mpg (cobined driving) more than the gasser? (Per their article) Meh.
Go back and read the article.
As this issue went to press, EPA fuel economy numbers for the new Duramax had yet to be released. But per our own Real MPG testing, we can confirm that the Colorado diesel is far and away the most fuel-efficient midsize truck on the market. At 23.2/31.4/26.3 mpg city/highway/combined, the 4×2 Colorado LT Duramax returned numbers more in line with a 1.5-liter Malibu sedan (20.8/34.3/25.3), topping the tiny gas engine’s combined rating by 1 full mpg. To get an idea of how a comparable gas truck rates, the 4×2 Tacoma SR5 with a 3.5-liter V-6 touts EPA numbers of 19/24/21. (We were unable to obtain Real MPG numbers on this truck.) For a gas engine, the Taco’s numbers are excellent—near the top of the non-diesel pack, in fact—but in light of the Colorado Duramax, its scores make it look like it’s running the Tundra’s 5.7-liter V-8.
 

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Saw one of these at SEMA this month. Looks nice, although it isn't small. If you can get a longer bed with the crew cab it may be more useful: the standard bed is only 5 feet long.

And of course pickups are less safe than sedans. So are SUVs. But perception is that because you sit higher and are in a heavier vehicle you're safer. Perception is reality for many US drivers.
 

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Go back and read the article.
Ah. Owned by the tiny phone screen (that's what I'm going with, lol). Thanks.

Edit: I just built one. $38.9k for a LT, 4WD, Crew Cab, and short bed. I'm sure there will be diesel nuts that snatch them up, but I won't be one of them.
 
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kjclow

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It's just like the first generation. You only get the manual with the 4 cyl and as basic as you can get it.
 

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It's just like the first generation. You only get the manual with the 4 cyl and as basic as you can get it.

Yes, and there is probably none on any lots, no dealers will want to order one for you, and they don't really use much less fuel than the bigger engines anyways.

This is why my dad and I always buy our new trucks from a rural dealer that has no inventory. You always get what you want (within the confines of what the manufacturer will build you) because you always have to order it. And you pay less, because they have hardly any overhead whatsoever. :D
 

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Increased availability

Wentzville added a third shift to attempt to meet demand for Colorado and Canyon. Colorado/Canyon and Toyota Tacoma are currently the fastest selling pickup trucks midsize/fullsize/heavy duty averaging less than 25 days on lot before sale. Diesel powertrain is only expected to increase demand, though will not increase sales since GM was already out of capacity.
GM may get rid of vans at Wentzville to add more pickup capacity.

General Motors is in talks to offload some of its commercial van production to contract manufacturer AM General, a move that would free up capacity at GM’s plant near St. Louis to make more of its hot-selling midsize pickups.
 

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Ecodiesel vs. Canyon/Colorado

Ram Ecodiesel used less fuel than Canyon diesel during testing in the Canadian Truck King Challenge.
This result is unexpected for heavier vs. lighter diesel vs. diesel.

http://canadiantruckkingchallenge.ca/

The best of the rest was the GMC Canyon Diesel, also sold as the Chevrolet Colorado. This truck has a four cylinder engine, compared with the Ram’s V6, but still only hit 9.54 liters/100 km unloaded, and 9.84 loaded with 1,000 pounds — using an extra liter of fuel or so every 62 miles, versus the Ram’s 8.85 empty and 8.61 loaded.
 

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Makes me wonder how the EcoDiesel would perform in the Canyon/Colorado.

The Duramax folks should be extremely disappointed.

I sure was hoping for better numbers from the smaller truck.
 

john.jackson9213

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Very interesting results. Seems to make the Toyota Tacoma 3.5 V6 the best deal in a midsize truck. The GMC 2.8 diesel could only do .77 liters better per 100 km over all. For us Americans, that is 25 ounces in 62 miles or one cup per 20 miles. Taken out to 125,000 miles, that is 390 gallons of regular gas more than the GMC diesel use of diesel fuel. At Current California prices 390 gallons, at $2.45/gal is $957.00 (D2 and RUG are currently about the same price).
When you look at the near $4K diesel premium and additional premium mandatory options, it gets even worse for the Colorado/Canyon diesel. Then toss in the Toytoa Tacoma resale value, it is a huge advantage to Toyota.

Not what I expected to see. Especially when the Ram diesel does so well. And the Ram is proven for 2 years.
 

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Makes me wonder how the EcoDiesel would perform in the Canyon/Colorado.

The Duramax folks should be extremely disappointed.

I sure was hoping for better numbers from the smaller truck.
Reading this article, it's obvious that there is a way to write a misleading comparison test without actually lying.

Readers should be extremely disappointed - in a fuel economy comparison that used 2 different methods of fuel consumption measurement - one for the Colorado and the other for all of the rest of the trucks.

They measured fuel economy differently for the Colorado than all of the other trucks. The OBD code apparently wasn't production ready so they used another different method of measurement only on the Colorado.

Too bad they didn't adapt and use the Colorado consumption test on the Ecodiesel. Who knows, maybe they did and it didn't give the right answer, LOL.


It would have been interesting and actually useful for this outfit to test the Ram Ecodiesel fuel economy, using both test methods. That would have been innovative and helpful to readers actually wanting a true comparison. But I don't see that in the fuel economy chart - just an asterick.

Maybe they're also disappointed with a diesel engine that passed the newer, tougher diesel emissions test procedures, brought about by VW's emissions cheating scandal.

Yes, it looks like they should be disappointed:

"Once again, the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel performed admirably, notching the lowest fuel economy of every truck evaluated. Following not too far behind is the GMC Canyon diesel, which had the best fuel economy of all the midsize trucks and was second best overall."


Perhaps it's the Ram Ecodiesel owners who are disappointed with the real world reliability issues that go with their excellent fuel economy. At last count, there were approximately 28 blown Ecodiesel engine reports (broken con rods) on ram1500dieseldotcom. This is on 2014 through 2015 model year engines.

Or perhaps disappointed with the ongoing saga of failed oil coolers contaminating both the engine oil and coolant, with multiple return trips to the dealership to keep cleaning the coolant system. Or the recurring P2OEE SCR error codes, crystalized DEF injectors and multiple return trips to the dealership (3 required) before they finally replace the defective SCR catalyst.

To be fair, there's probably nothing wrong with the basic Ecodiesel engine design. When it's running, it beautiful.

It appears to suffer from the curse of Fiat quality control more than anything else. Who knows for sure until they get the issue resolved. Give Fiat some time - it's only been 2 years!

Here is the sidebar explanation of the asterick:

Sidebar footnote about the different fuel economy tests.

"Important note about the Canyon
Diesel Fuel Consumption values:


Future testing of the Canyon Diesel will
utilize the mandated OBD signals method
that is used for other trucks in this event.
For these Canyon values, a secondary fuel
consumption method was utilized as the
OBD signals did not pass signal verification testing. It is fairly common for OBD signals
to not pass the verification tests on
vehicles
prior to their full market release;
however, the difference in calculation
method is important to note."
 

kjclow

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I'm more curious to know where they came up with a commercially available canyon diesel to test. Last I checked the Colorado/canyon website (mid-December) not even those with active orders had received trucks yet.
 

kjclow

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Looked on the colorado website today. No one has received their trucks yet. The above testing is flawed when they didn't declare that the truck they used was not commercially available. That might be why they couldn't get their computer to hook up correctly.
 

john.jackson9213

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Factory has released the diesel Colorado per link in post #81.
Priced out a 4x4 Crew Cab with 6 ft bed on Chevy web site this a.m. $39600 msrp with only manditory options. Diesel engine selection added $5800+ with required options on top of LT Crew Cab 4xr 6ft bed.

Need to price out a Ram 1500 regular cab diesel, should be around $32000 for the work truck.
 

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They will sell because of the "hey look at me" attitude of society today.

We all have different perceptions of obscene.........
All witnessed first hand

F-350 loaded platinum...$74,000
GMC 3500 loaded...$71,000
Jeep Grand Cherokee....$58,000
etc. etc. etc.

that is obscene...............
 

kjclow

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You can price a half ton that high too. I am still considering that $40k price since it will be a 10+ year vehicle.

I like how the article linked in post 81 basically said that GM has no idea why the truck launch was delayed. They blamed the EPA in late October or early November of delaying the launch to run the trucks through tougher emissions testing.
 
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