Chevy Colorado Diesel

[Mike_04GolfTDI]

It's only 4 cylinders vice 6 for the Ram. It should be getting better fuel mileage. I have no idea what your metric fuel mileages mean. Just like the Brits to invent a standard, and throw it away.

The Ram is 8 cylinders. I agree, the Colorado should get much better mileage than the Ram, but I'm not so sure it will, based on the Amarok's fuel economy. The Amarok should be very comparable to the Colorado diesel, so I don't know why one would get much better mileage than the other.

The Ram does use more fuel, just not a lot more.

I'll explain the metric fuel consumption ratings.

1 US Gallon = 3.78 Liters
62 Miles = 100km

So to convert Liters/100km to Miles Per Gallon, the formula would be:

MPG = 62 / (Liters / 3.78)

For example, 11L/100km works out to 21.3 MPG

MPG = 62 / (11 / 3.78)

11 / 3.78 = 2.910

62 / 2.910 = 21.3

MPG = 21.3

So rounding it off, you could say the Ram gets about 20 MPG in mixed driving.

If the Colorado gets 18 city / 28 highway as someone suggested, that's not very good. I hope it'll be a lot better than that.

 

[oilhammer]

They are as big as a 1/2 ton 20 years ago.

No they aren't. I have a 20 year old half ton full size truck. It has the same size bed as a brand new half ton full size truck. You cannot even GET a "long" bed on the Colorado. You get short and shorter.

They are bigger than the old S10, and even bigger than the Colorado they replaced, but they are not a "full sized" truck. Their long (or even longer, you cannot get a regular cab) cab makes them look bigger than they really are.

However, given the price they want for them, you may as well buy a full size truck. The 4 cyl diesel will give them a trump card, but if it is still crazy expensive then they likely won't sell as many as they could otherwise.

 

[d2305]

I have almost 30K on my ecodiesel and average over 27 mpg. Not bad for a big truck. I pulled behind a new Colarado and thought it was a Silverado. I had an 86 F 150 and it looked smaller. They claim to be able to tow over 7000 lbs. I can convert the metric, but it's a pain. Same thing with temperature. 70 F is real 21 C not so much.

 

[edgewatertom]

I am seriously considering one of these to replace 1999 Explorer that I use to pull my work trailer and one of the most important "features" is that it fits in my garage. I can't fit a full size truck in there, something that didn't cross my mind 18 years ago when we had the house built.

I know it is a lot for a mid-size truck, but it's cheaper than rebuilding the garage.

 

[d2305]

Test drive one home and see if it fits. I haven't seen any diesels yet, but the gassers are the same size.

 

[Mike_04GolfTDI]

I am seriously considering one of these to replace 1999 Explorer that I use to pull my work trailer and one of the most important "features" is that it fits in my garage. I can't fit a full size truck in there, something that didn't cross my mind 18 years ago when we had the house built.

I know it is a lot for a mid-size truck, but it's cheaper than rebuilding the garage.

A real truck will rebuild the garage for you. Just ram it right in there repeatedly until anything that was in the way is destroyed. Then hang a tarp where the door used to be and use packing tape to fix any of the weaker bits of the truck.

Duct tape if you want to get fancy.

 

[Oberkanone]

23 city 31 highway 27 combined

http://artofgears.com/2015/10/16/20...gets-31-4-highway-mpg-in-independent-testing/

GM has promised an on sale date of Q4 2015 so the EPA mpg for Colorado and Canyon must be released sometime very soon.

Care to speculate as to what the numbers will be on the Monroney?

23 city 31 highway 27 combined would seem to be in the realm of expected.

 

[bubbagumpshrimp]

http://artofgears.com/2015/10/16/20...gets-31-4-highway-mpg-in-independent-testing/

GM has promised an on sale date of Q4 2015 so the EPA mpg for Colorado and Canyon must be released sometime very soon.

Care to speculate as to what the numbers will be on the Monroney?

23 city 31 highway 27 combined would seem to be in the realm of expected.

If it's not around those numbers...I don't see how they'll sell a decent number of them. For many people...I think 30+ MPG (highway) would be the threshold where they'd consider paying the diesel premium. If they come out at 28-29 MPG highway...the first question that people are going to ask is "why doesn't this thing do any better than the Ram diesel?"

Who knows though...I wouldn't be surprised if there are a bunch people out there that want a mid-sized diesel enough that they might just buy them for the novelty factor.

 

[john.jackson9213]

The Ram 1500 V6 gas engine is EPA rated at 18/25

The Colorado V6 gas engine is EPA rated at 18/26

Highway mpg advantage to the Colorado's smaller frontal area?

The Ram 1500 Diesel is EPA rated at 21/29

So with the Ram, diesel is worth 3 city mpg and 4 highway mpg

Add the same extra mpg to the Colorado V6 and I get 21 city mpg and 30 highwy mpg. I would expect GM to tune the Diesel for highway mpg bragging rights: So my guess is 31 highway mpg and 22 city mpg

 

[Mike_04GolfTDI]

Here's what the Ram EcoDiesel really can do if you try to get good mileage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd-TBkCTsG0

So, it uses a little more fuel than my Golf TDI, but is a large truck. Wow!

 

[FordGuy100]

Here's what the Ram EcoDiesel really can do if you try to get good mileage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd-TBkCTsG0

So, it uses a little more fuel than my Golf TDI, but is a large truck. Wow!

His average FE was reset not to prior to that (look how much it fluctuates), and he is driving less than 50mph. Set the cruise at 75mph and see what it will do

 

[d2305]

I can get 30mpg @ 75 with a tail wind. Pokey drivers get great fuel mileage with Ecodiesels.

 

[cevans]

I was excited about the Canyon, but, I don't think it compares favorably against the Ram. Price wise they are nearly identical, the RAM has a bigger, more powerful and better motor, better transmission and gets comparable (identical?) fuel economy.

I understand why someone would want a compact vs. a full-size pickup, but, with the Ram pricing the way it is I just can't make an argument for the Canyon.

(Ram 1500 Engine made in Italy by VM Motori. vs. 2.8L Duramax made in Thailand. the VM motor has compacted graphite block vs. traditional cast iron in the duramax)
(Ram 1500 Transmission is the ubiquitous ZF 8-speed in BMWs, Mercedes etc. made in Germany vs. 6-Speed 6L50 Chevy unit)

 

[Oberkanone]

Per GM the mpg is

http://artofgears.com/2015/10/16/20...gets-31-4-highway-mpg-in-independent-testing/

GM has promised an on sale date of Q4 2015 so the EPA mpg for Colorado and Canyon must be released sometime very soon.

Care to speculate as to what the numbers will be on the Monroney?

23 city 31 highway 27 combined would seem to be in the realm of expected.

GM stated today that it has certificate of conformity from EPA and also released the EPA mpg.

For 4WD-
20 city
29 highway
23 combined

And for 2WD 22 city, 31 highway and 25 combined.

I'm disappointed, I expected just a sliver more mpg.

 

[Oberkanone]

Order banks are open

The move will allow GM to soon sell both trucks that the automaker has said would be available in the fall. A GMC spokesman said orders for the Canyon diesel have been open for several weeks but would not say when the trucks are expected to roll into dealerships.

I'd heard the order banks were open and per GMC they are.

 

[Oberkanone]

Duramax

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/11/10/chevrolet-colorado-fuel-economy/75500574/

"The Colorado Duramax diesel is in a league of its own," said Sandor Piszar, director of Chevrolet truck marketing, in a statement. "Colorado's gas models already led the segment in fuel efficiency."

It's in a league of it's own for pricing too, most expensive midsize truck.

 

[oilhammer]

I think the sales of these will be akin to the diesel Cruze: limited to just a few diesel fans like us, which won't amount to much in numbers but will still largely have satisfied owners. The Cruse diesel never met its sales goals (not even close). Doesn't mean it is a bad car, just means not enough people are willing to spend the coin.

As far as the Colorado/Canyon, I don't like the looks of them. They look like they are using the same tail lamp assemblies as the full size trucks, which makes them look goofy from the back, and the bed sits up so ridiculously high in back that you can barely get anything in or out of it... and it is so tiny anyways even if you could, it wouldn't be much. Seriously, the ass end of the truck looks like a female cat in heat walking around with her tooshy up in the air.

But once again, it is a step in the right direction for diesels here. Of course, given the current state of affairs in may be too little too late.

 

[cevans]

Seriously, the ass end of the truck looks like a female cat in heat walking around with her tooshy up in the air.

Haha, Chevy should highlight that quote in one of those new "fake marketing study" commercials.

 

[john.jackson9213]

GM stated today that it has certificate of conformity from EPA and also released the EPA mpg.

For 4WD-
20 city
29 highway
23 combined

And for 2WD 22 city, 31 highway and 25 combined.

I'm disappointed, I expected just a sliver more mpg.

I am not disappointed. I nailed it in this post:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=4924022&postcount=39

Like the truck or not, Like the pricing or not, GM is selling all they can make of these trucks. And they don't have to discount them or offer any incentives to do it right now. So they nailed the market place.

Those of us who are too cheap to buy the truck: We just don't matter. Maybe the next Nissan Frontier will have a diesel option - but don't look for much lower prices. They will sell those also at a higher price than most of us cheapskates are willing to pay. We can allways wait to buy them used, I guess.

 

[cevans]

I am not disappointed. I nailed it in this post...

Self-congratulatory cross-posting aside, Chevrolet is selling a LOT of Colorados right now. But, they are all gasoline, and there isn't any sales data on the diesel, since it isn't being sold quite yet. Marketing declarations saying that Chevrolet can't keep up with demand don't count. I think I'll wait until year 2 to make any conclusions about whether this truck was a success or not.

 

[cevans]

I think the sales of these will be akin to the diesel Cruze: limited to just a few diesel fans like us, which won't amount to much in numbers but will still largely have satisfied owners. The Cruse diesel never met its sales goals (not even close). Doesn't mean it is a bad car, just means not enough people are willing to spend the coin.

The Cruze didn't compare favorably to the Jetta or even Passat price wise. The dealers I visited were also very uninterested in selling a diesel vs. a gas model LT edition, which they had a million of.

 

[john.jackson9213]

<snip> I think I'll wait until year 2 to make any conclusions about whether this truck was a success or not.

Exactly! We shall see what these diesel Colorado trucks sell for when the 3 year leases run out. The last Colorado was in the tank when it came to resale value.
But for me, the old 91 Jeep Comanche pickup keeps running for the few thousand miles per year I need/want a truck for Home Depot or dump runs,

 

[bubbagumpshrimp]

For anyone that was wondering...it's 31 MPG highway.

Chevrolet, which is owned by General Motors , said the new midsize pickup truck gets 31 miles per gallon when driving on a highway. Ram, meanwhile, claims 29 miles per gallon for its most efficient truck, the Ram 1500.

http://fortune.com/2015/11/10/chevy-truck-fuel-efficient/

 

[vanbcguy]

Wonder how the service costs will compare to the Ram. When I saw the amount of oil and the relatively short OCI on the Ram.... Yikes!

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[oilhammer]

The Ram Ecodiesel has a 10k mile service interval, although that is the same as the Pentastar V6, and those hold only a quart less oil and have slightly less expensive filter. I just looked it up in our system. We don't have complete 2016 model year info yet, so I cannot comment on the diesel Colorado. The 2015 gas engines in them though are 7500 mile intervals OR flexible service, depending on equipment and driving conditions.

 

[kjclow]

Here's the latest (probably already posted here) news from GM. Also note the comment about the 2017 Cruze diesel.
http://www.autonews.com/article/20151109/OEM06/151109818?template=mobile&X-IgnoreUserAgent=1

GM has contended all along that the diesel will make up 10% of the 2016 offerings for the Colorado and Canyon.

 

[kjclow]

Like the truck or not, Like the pricing or not, GM is selling all they can make of these trucks.

No, GM is not selling all they can make because until Monday, they did not have EPA certification to sell any. There are a lot of happy people out there that now have preorders moving forward but I bet we don't see any on dealer lots until mid-December. Those early ones that show up will probably only be there long enough for prep and the real owner to show up.

 

[jrock]

As the owner of an EcoDiesel I’m really looking forward to test driving one of these. The reviews have been great and the light diesel market as a whole really needs positive press. The future of light diesels looks a little blurry, but a vehicle like this could help push the perception of the average buyer closer to the reality we all know.

 

[Oberkanone]

No, GM is not selling all they can make because until Monday, they did not have EPA certification to sell any. There are a lot of happy people out there that now have preorders moving forward but I bet we don't see any on dealer lots until mid-December. Those early ones that show up will probably only be there long enough for prep and the real owner to show up.

Wentzville added a third shift to attempt to meet demand for Colorado and Canyon. Colorado/Canyon and Toyota Tacoma are currently the fastest selling pickup trucks midsize/fullsize/heavy duty averaging less than 25 days on lot before sale. Diesel powertrain is only expected to increase demand, though will not increase sales since GM was already out of capacity.

 

[kjclow]

Sorry, I initially read that as implying to the Diesel engines, not all models. I've also heard that the plant is backed up trying to push out full sized vans too.