Changing-out side marker covers to lights?

dezeldon

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They'll get the key to her when they pry it from my cold, dead hands :)

I'm in the process of "sexing-up" my B4: Just received my Hella e-codes and Euro switch with fogs from TDIParts; thanks to BKmetz for the tip on the wiring harness from Eurowires.net and the LED pinch base bulbs for the city lights from 42draftdesigns.com... waiting on that stuff.

I've always wanted to remove the Wolfsburg side marker dummy covers in the front fenders, just ahead of the doors, and install illuminated/turn signals in their place. I did some searching of the forum and almost got lost in the ocean of messages, and no clear answer.

Anyone "been there - done that"?

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Something I've wanted to do myself...
Can't say for sure, but I HAVE seen it, so I think it's a simple matter of the markers off an Audi or a B5.5 and then wiring in.

On the LEDs from 42:
I put in color matching ones in my Beetle and it looked great...for about a month. Then the bulbs got loose and after another 6 months not even a good rap would bring them back - and these are a pain to get to. Make sure, once you have the polarity correct (LEDs are NOT bulbs - but you knew that) put some rubber cement or superglue around the interface between the end of the socket and the "flaring out" of the bulb and it is good and dry/bonded before installing the socket wherever it's going. Also, perhaps you will have a better mating with the sockets you use, but in my opinion, they made the contact portion of the bulbs too thin. So, you gonna want to make sure about their continuity. I bent the wire contacts out a bit to provide some spring force. Between that and the glue - knock wood - they should be good. Good luck.

And lemme know what you find out about the side-markers.

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Likewise, I have wanted to do it, too.

However, I have not had the time and the money. Maybe over the winter.

Tony
 

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I put in side marker lights a couple of years ago in my B4. Side marker trailer lights with 4 LED's are nice and bright, with minimal current draw. I used a Dremel tool and cut out an opening in the dummy covers. Friction and epoxy has worked fine. I am convinced that they have cut down the number of lane change idiots diving for the same lane as me, not seeing my previous lack of side turn signals.
 

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I may do this as well. It should be a pretty cheap & simple mod and light upgrade. There are several lenses to use, and they are pretty much all universal, just look for the rounded ones. I wouldn't tap into the side marker unless you've got that rigged as a dual purpose side marker turn signal, and even then, I might just run the side repeater as a straight signal light (off the signal from the bumper light). The brightest bulbs that fit are Osram 2886x (clear for a yellow housing) or WY5W (amber for a clear housing). I personally have not and will not use LEDs for multiple reasons. In fact, I would recommend the 2886x bulb for your city lights, that's what I personally will use, if I ever replace my plastic DOT lamps.

As of right now, I've upgraded the side marker light from the standard W5W to a 2886x and rewired it to be a dual purpose side marker and signal. I hate the alternating flashing when my headlights are on, and the reduced brightness when my headlights are off (in the daylight no doubt!), but I will deal with it... it's better than having no signal light on the side.
 
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...What paramedick said. The Wolfsburg blanks are easy to get out, and you would make Hamsterdiesel delighted if you sent them to her. She makes hair bling out of them.

We found several sets from an A4 Jetta in a junk yard. They fit perfectly, and have saved me many times in Boston rotaries!
 

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That A4 got to the junk yard because of a Boston rotary!
Don't expect that your lights will make the idiots any smarter.
 

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hi all

from the uk, can any help with fitting repeaters into bumpers as

i have seen them on us vw passat sedan, does the bumper trim come with

cut out outs to fit them into , and what are the part numbers

please help. thanks
 

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The Euro part numbers for side turn signals are:

3A0-949-101-A Yellow lens
3A0-949-101-B Smoked lens
1H0-949-111 Socket
N-017-753-2 Bulb W5W-12V5W


The socket 1H0-949-111 was supposedly used on the following US market cars per ETKA:

95-99 Cabrio
93-99 Golf
94 German built Jetta
93-96 Mexican built Jetta
95-97 Passat

The socket and bulb are listed on ETKA screen 941-30 for the US Passat. I can't get the reverse search on the bulb to tell me what other models it was used on. I often have this problem with part numbers starting in "N". Anyone know how to make it work or is the database just not set up that way?

Here are the A4 Jetta US part numbers:
1J0-949-117 Clear lens
N-017-753-11 Yellow bulb WY5W-12V5W
6X1-971-273-A Wiring harness

The 1J0-949-117 clear lens is supposedly found on the following US market cars per ETKA:

99-07 Golf
99-08 Mexican built Jetta
01-06 Jetta Wagon
01-05 Passat
01-05 Passat Syncro
04 R32/GTI
99-02 Cabrio

The 6X1-971-273-A is supposedly found on the following US market cars per ETKA:

99-01 Golf
99-08 Mexican built Jetta
01-06 Jetta Wagon
01-05 Passat
01-05 Passat Syncro
04-08 R32/GTI/Rabbit
99-02 Cabrio
03-08 Toureg

!!!PLEASE NOTE MY VERSION OF ETKA DOES NOT COVER PAST 2008!!!

The Euro B4 set up uses a separate bulb holder before the wiring attaches. The US A4 etc. setup has a socket at the end of the wiring harness. I can't find the part number for the Euro wire harness that connects to the sockets. If you prefer the socket style I'm sure you can get it off the US models the socket is on.

Happy junk yarding!
 

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TonyJetta said:
....However, I have not had the time and the money.
mcgink just picked up a set off ebay, with the sockets and pigtail...something on the idea of $5....they look good in the package, no word on how they work.
 

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I'll be interested in learning more about how the install goes.

Tony
 

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Mcgink,
Please post some pics of the install progress and final install.

These look like they clip in...does the side badge on the passat's clip in as well, or are they glued on?

I guess what I'm really after here, is how much manipulation is required of the sheet metal. Not that I can't do it, I just don't want to bugger it up. ;)

Tony
 

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You just slide the emblem in one direction to compress a spring, and the opposite edge pops out. Light goes in the same way.
 

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paramedick said:
You just slide the emblem in one direction to compress a spring, and the opposite edge pops out. Light goes in the same way.
Yep, and Tony, it's even easier with the fender liner removed, which you will have to do to wire them. Simply reach in from behind and gently push the clip in and the blank pops right out.
 

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Hi Again

Great replies from every one thanks, please take a look at these pictures on ebay, it is the bumper markers i need, i already have the ones in the fender, also i need the bulb holder and some wiring, can anyone supply these to the uk ???
also required is the bumper trim these fit into, or would it be easier just cut it myself

thanks
 
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The bumper skin is molded with recesses into which these lamp assemblies are inserted. Just cutting a hole of the correct shape will not provide the 'shelves' onto which these set, not the lateral notches into which the retaining tabs can fit. They'll just push straight through the holes you cut and will fall in, if they don't fall out.
 

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I would just like to confirm two things before splicing any wires as this thread mentions both the fender mounted corner marker lights and adding an additional side light in the fender emblem opening.
If I want to "sync up" the corner marker light with the front bumper turn signal so that the marker light flashes when the turn signal is activated, I want to cut the marker light ground and splice it into the front turn signal directional wire? This is the wire that's NOT common with non-ground wire in the front corner marker light.
If I want to add the additional fender side marker, I need to splice into the parking lamp wire on front turn signal (the other non-ground wire) for power?
 

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The 'repeater' position is for turn signals indicators. In the wayback they used to use semaphores that signaled direction, which got eventually translated into small blinking lights at the wings. If a car uses wing mounted lamps they are blinkers and not markers.

To answer your question though, these are not ground switched lights. And I think in the end you'll be better off if you splice into both the power and ground of the lamp you want to mimic.

Steve
 

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How to add
Fender Turn Signals / Blinkers / Sidemarker Lights
to
US spec B4 Passat

I found and used two different approaches for this mod:


1. First approach is to use B5/A4 OEM VW parts which are readily available in the US. This approach is probably the easiest approach.
2. Second approach is to use B4 front corner OEM light bulb holders with pigtails, and then splice and make your own wiring harness.

Both approaches are described below.


  • B5 / A4 OEM harnesses and sidemarkers are available from VW.
  • B5 / A4 OEM harnesses (or pigtails with bulb holders) and sidemarkers can be sourced from Junk Yards and people parting out their B5 cars.
  • B4 harnesses and bulb holders connectors can be sourced from junk yards and people parting out their B4s. These bulb holders connectors were OEM for sidemarkers outside the US market. On US spec cars, these harnesses with same bulb holders were used for the front corner lights next to the headlights. A variety of side-markers (amber, smoked, clear etc) that work with the B4 bulb-holders and connectors can be found on-line.
B5 / A4 parts list:


  • B5 Harness: VW Part # 8D0 971 273 This harness has plain wire ends and is approximately 37” long. This means it is approx 12” too short to reach the B4 front turn signals. You need TWO harnesses, one for each side.
  • Sidemarkers:
VW Part # 3B0 949 117 B (Amber)
VW Part # 3B0 949 117 C (Smoked)
VW Part # 3B0 949 117 ? (Clear)
VW Part # 1J5 949 117 A (Clear thatched pattern)

Installation:

  • To make the B5 harness long enough for installation in the B4, splice approx 12” of wire to the harness and attach connectors, then use a t-tap or similar method to tap into the wires behind the front bumper signal light on each side, left and right.
  • Use a section of flexible aluminum wire, or something similar, to guide the wiring harness through the fender.
  • Pull out the bumper mounted turn signal and note the three wires:

  1. Wire the brown wire from the B5 harness to the “ground” middle wire on the connector (also brown).
  2. On the passenger side – there is a green/black striped wire which is the actual turn signal signal. The gray wire is the parking light. Wire all as turn signal only. Caution: if the side marker light is wired to “on” all the time, this will generate too much heat and cause them to melt.

  • On the driver side – the wire colors are slightly different. The middle wire is still brown, and is for “ground”. Match that with brown wire on the B5 harness. The turn signal wire on the driver side is black with a white stripe. The parking light wire is still gray. Tap the green / black wire from the harness into the black / white wire.
B4 parts list:


  • B4 Harness: Use the corner light harness from a B4, or make your own B4 harness using approx 7 ft sections of wire and the pigtails from the front corner lights. You need TWO harnesses, one for each side. Use same bulb holders and connectors as used for the corner lights (next to the headlights) found on US-spec B4's.
Bulb holders connectors: VW Part # 1H0 940 111A


  • Sidemarkers:
VW Part # 3A0 949 117 A (Amber)
VW Part # 3A0 949 117 B (Smoked)


Installation:


Use same instructions as above when using B5 harnesses and bulb holders.

Notes:


Wolfsburg Crest (which must be removed from fender in order to install sidemarkers):
VW Part # 3A0 853 688 BXF


Depending on your choice of sidemarkers, either amber bulbs, or clear bulbs will be required.
VW part # XXX (Amber)
VW Part # XXX (clear)


There are many other OEM and non-OEM options out there for sidemarkers (LED, blacked-out etc.) and also for harnesses.


The following are other OEM VW sidemarkers that fit the opening in the B4 fender, but I have not seen the backside to determine which connectors do they work with, the earlier B4 bulb holder /connector, or the later B5 / A4 bulb holder / connector.

VW Part # 3A0 949 101 A (Clear thatched pattern)
VW Part # 1J0 949 117 (Crystal clear with four small centered horizontal lines)
 
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Thanks for the detailed post. Of course, I just finished wiring up the the grey parking lamp wire, hoping to use the side marker light the same way, rather than a side mounted turn signal. So these side markers can't be used this way? Lights I used came from a junkyard B5, also see a bunch of these lights for sale on EBay, they seem to show them being used the same way as I had hoped to use them. So these lights get too hot when wired as a parking light?
 

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Thanks for the detailed post. Of course, I just finished wiring up the the grey parking lamp wire, hoping to use the side marker light the same way, rather than a side mounted turn signal. So these side markers can't be used this way? Lights I used came from a junkyard B5, also see a bunch of these lights for sale on EBay, they seem to show them being used the same way as I had hoped to use them. So these lights get too hot when wired as a parking light?
You can use them however you want, I was just referencing the traditional use. Also I don't know how long the small plastic lamp housing will last when the light is continuously illuminated..you'll have to see how that goes.

They are for sale in countless variations due to the use of this same lamp holder in other vehicles and in other countries. In the US the Mk3 Cabrio that that were built in Germany used them, the Mk4 cars and the B5 / 5.5 Passat.

I've wired them in on the B3 wagon (rectangular version) as turn sigs so they work with conventional front corner park turns.

Steve
 
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