CETANE ratings in Canada Eh?

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Sweeps said:
Petro-Canada seems to have high cetane ratings compared to the other "regular" diesel.
Everyone on here seems to not use it though.
Tried it for the past couple tanks in my car, and it seems to be running a little smoother. Mileage was a bit up as well (taking into consideration the slightly warmer temps). I'm going to continue using it I think.
I have used petro diesel. It's alright. I just dislike the station here. I find the shell to be better. The V-Power is the same price as the regular at other stations. Which is great. Shell's reg diesel is always 2 cents cheaper.

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NB_TDi said:
I have used petro diesel. It's alright. I just dislike the station here. I find the shell to be better. The V-Power is the same price as the regular at other stations. Which is great. Shell's reg diesel is always 2 cents cheaper.

:)
Were in Nb is that just so i know next time I'm passing true I havent seen the V-power since I came down here from Toronto 2 years ago
 

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Yeah good stuff I'd get it all the time when I lived in Mississauga engine ran smoother then then now.
 

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Irving

I e-mailed Irving two days ago about there cetane rating on there diesel and here is what they sent me today.

Irving said:
Dear Mr. Arsenault,
We meet a 40 cetane number.
Sincerely,
Tanya O'Keefe
Irving
 

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Thanks Louis for the email from Irving! This is why I started this thread: every gas station has 3 or 4 grades of gasoline that are clearly marked with their octane rating. Diesel fuel, you are lucky if there is a higher grade and you have to send an email to find out because it is never, ever, ever posted (not in Ontario anyway).

Updating the list in post#1, Thanks again.


edit, changed first word in this post from "That" to "Thanks", oops.
 
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Hm, thanks for this list. I've been fuelling with Husky DieselMax when I'm not near a Bio station, but I might just switch to Petro Canada diesel b/c of the Cetane ratings.

Anyways, last year I e-mailed a rep from Cascadia Biofuels (who provides the Tallow Biodiesel for Autogas stations here in British Columbia) about what they make their biodiesel out of, and this was an attached in his e-mail:



From: Curtis Mearns [mailto:curtis.mearns@cascadiabiofuels.com]
Sent: January 15, 2008 11:14 AM
To: _____
Subject: RME or FAME/SME?

Hi_____,

Good to hear from you
Yes, it is confusing for the consumer when the auto industry is driven by mixed messages
Please see that attached warranty statement – only if the fuel was proved to be bad there is an issue
If so the supply side must cover the warranty – at no time should the consumer be challenged.

As we speak, we are running Soy Methyl Ester – SME / RME
whereas RME-based biodiesel is a standard which is rated for B100 in Europe
This is news to me; I would like to see the reference source …

The rational was due to a perceived cloud point issue – it is unlikely that we will use SME after this season
We are listening to the UN on this issue and plan to move away from food based fuel – plan to pilot this summer:
See attached UN News Release

We do like the Tallow feedstock for the following reasons
It seems to me that VW needs to wake up to the realities of the times we live in
Please feel free to come and see me of phone for further information
All the best.
cm


Cascadia Biofuels Inc.
Contact:
Curtis Mearns
Address:
10128 Nordel Court, Delta, British Columbia Canada V4G 1J7
Tel:
(604) 581-3211
Cel:
(604) 720-8685
Fax:
(604) 581-3246
Email:
cmearns@cascadiabiofuels.com
Web:
www.cascadiabiofuels.com

Edit: NarfBLAST, if you're planning to add this to the list, please note that Autogas only offers B5, B20, B40 and B50. Thanks!
 
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NarfBLAST

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Thanks Lat, this is kinda confusing, do they claim the minimum cetane in Canada is 45? Also, they claim numbers as high as 70 but they do not highlight the 100% biodiesel column as being "Super Cetane". I don't fully understand it but I will put it in post #1 under a separate section for biodiesel.
 

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Sweeps said:
Petro-Canada seems to have high cetane ratings compared to the other "regular" diesel.
Everyone on here seems to not use it though.
I didn't think PC was anywhere near 50-cetane smooth. It was not even Sunoco Gold - in fact it was just like every regular diesel quality when I tried it! If it really were better there would be surely be some mention of it.

Is something different now?
 

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je said:
Is something different now?
I don't think so, I never use PetroCanada simply because it seems to be the most expensive diesel and their pumps always seem to be the dirtiest, furthest from the cashier and never have pay at the pump... at least the ones I have seen. I've tried it but noticed no difference in fuel economy, power, or cold starting ability

On the other hand Sunoco Gold makes similar CETANE claims but I have found their stations to be clean, have more than one diesel pump, have pay at the pump (very important when you have small children in the car) and after starting to use Sunoco Gold exclusively this winter and thru this spring I have noticed increases in fuel economy, power, less cold start smoke. Sunoco Gold seems to be the most popular national brand among picky Canadian pumpers on this TDICLUB.

Anyway, the "cetane claims" in post#1 are just for reference. Use this information if you choose, your mileage may vary, literally.
 

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je said:
I didn't think PC was anywhere near 50-cetane smooth.
I just made the switch over from Petro Canada diesel to ESSO, which seems to have increased my mileage by at least 0.3L/100km, which I think is significant (need more tanks to confirm trend). I've been suspicious of the fuel quality, leading to my switch.

Not really sure how busy the Petro station I filled up was though - I usually fill up late at night so it's always empty. Anybody ever stake out a station just to see if it's busy? heh. If you get a Petropoints card / Visa, you'll end up saving 5 cents a liter at least. No pay at the pumps though.

Haven't tried Sunoco Gold yet.
Still trying to obtain cetane ratings through the industry for different brands in Canada...
 
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Shell diesel, for their ultra they add a 4 liter jug of some type of additive to like 10,000 liters of diesel is the only dif., between their two diesel fuels. For the diff., in price, buy your own additive and add. Will most likely save one some money and you know what you are adding. Myself would do for even Sunoco fuel or for any for that matter. Talked with one diesel owner some time ago and he said he had tested Esso and the cetane was only 35 some 5 under the law of 40 min.. What they all claim and what is the truth is 2 diff., things. One would have to have some tested themselfs to really find out like the guy who tested the Esso back when. Never did like Esso and then knew why and never use it. Each their own now eh.
 
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Good Points FXDL,

I agree these are only "claims" and that is all we have to go on.

I agree it might be more economical to add your own additives, but I don't want to deal with concentrated poison bottles if I don't have to. That is why I like the Sunoco stations that offer the Gold additive package for the price of regular.
 

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NarfBLAST said:
Good Points FXDL,
... but I don't want to deal with concentrated poison bottles if I don't have to. ...
A very VERY excellent point ;)

Everytime I accidently spill a drop or two of that stuff on my fingers, I start to bad trip on how it's being absorbed through my skin, and......... :eek:
 

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OP needs to bump up Co-op EP3000 (= Red River Co-op), comes from Regina SK, and is sold all over western Canada (except Edmonton). Summer cetane is 46.5, winter is 44.0.

No Husky specs?
 

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When I asked last year in Manitoba, I was told by Red River Coop that no ones sells EP 3000 except as farm fuel.
 

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Here is the link to Husky's info on their DieselMax product: http://www.huskyenergy.com/ourproducts/canada/diesel/

The above link doesn't have Cetane info but it includes email address. I've only been sending emails to companies that I might personally be able to buy fuel from. I'm open to submissions of emails from any companies in Canada and I'd be happy to add them to the list in post#1 but I'm not interested in contacting every single fuel retailer in Canada personally.
Above link is broken, here is a fresh one:
http://www.huskyenergy.com/ourproducts/canada/diesel.asp

I emailed the 3 listed on that page and will get back with the response.

Update:
Hello X, I have forwarded your question to our Technical Fuels Specialist, Lisa Xxx to provide you a formal answer...Regards X
 
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Diesel Fuel Brand__Cetane

Petro-Canada ULSD____46

Shell ULSD___________40
Shell Ultra___________42

Sunoco ULSD_________44 When it was called Sunoco
Sunoco Gold_________ 48 --------------//----------------
 

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The specification for cetane number in Canada is 40. Diesel producers usually blend a diesel with a cetane of approximately 40-42 (usually closer to 42).
The cetane improver in Husky's DieselMax additive increases the cetane number by 1-3 cetane numbers, therefore, Husky's cetane number is between 42 and 45.
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[FONT=&quot]_____________________________________________[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Lisa B [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Fuel & Quality Compliance Specialist[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Husky Energy[/FONT]
Not impressive.
 

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guys I live right by about 50 MASSIVE diesel containers. I'm talking millions of gallons. There is a huge trucking area where trucks from all brands come in and out all day to refill. I see trucks from Petrocan, Shell, Chevron, Autogas, Husky, every brand under the sun. They all pull up to the exact same spot to fill up.

If you really think these brands are all different you are simply mistaken! They all buy diesel from the same place.

I'd bet there are 2 taps. One normal, one with additives.

All the huge containers around me are labelled 'Seasonal Diesel' or 'Premium Diesel'.

 

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Narfblast long time for me to write it but here it is. Sunoco Gold and their reg., diesel fuel are diff prices when I have every been at any of their stations. Sunoco Gold is like some 8 cents or more then their reg., diesel fuel. I still believe it is better and cheaper to add your own additive of choice. I find that the Amsoil Cetane Boost works very well and Walmart 2 cycle outboard motor oil for a lub. Some where here there was a link to the test on lubs[additives] for diesel fuel and the Walmart oil scored very high on the list, not the best but high. Some scored so bad that old dirty engine oil beat them out big time. The one bad one increased wear big time, so was a waste of money and was costly to your diesel engine and fuel system. For the claims of the oil companys on their cetane ratings of their diesel fuels, I do not believe them to be that high, they are only required to have a min of 40, so why would they put out anything higher and cut their profit down. Buy some from each brand and have it tested and I bet it will come out close to the 40 and most likely some below
 
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Diesel Fuel Brand__Cetane

Petro-Canada ULSD____46

Shell ULSD___________40
Shell Ultra___________42

Sunoco ULSD_________44 When it was called Sunoco
Sunoco Gold_________ 48 --------------//----------------
Does anyone know the Esso ratings? I get company discounts with them, so this is what I normally use, but now questioning their ratings.
 

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I have recently switched from Extra Foods Gas Bar, who I understand use Diesel from ESSO. I recently replaced my Air Mass Meter and Glow Plugs, but was still getting poor mileage. I tried a local bulk fuel outlet (uses Shell Diesel) (BC government edict that Diesel must contain 5% Bio) and have been experiencing possibly 15% increase in mileage. This to me is remarkable. I asked what Cetane levels at both places, but was given the "sorry nobody knows" reply.
Although somewhat subjective, I feel that the car runs a lot more smoothly. I would like to know what levels are considered proper for my TDI. I currently have 240,000 KM on my Beetle and now I seem to have the zip it used to have. Are the Cetane levels possibly slipping throughout the market or the lack of having to post Cetane Levels is making producers a bit lax?
Love the information in this post keep it coming...

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Gah... so much misinformation or contradictory information.

Based on this thread, I used to use only PetroCan. Then I read that their cetane ratings were much lower, so I switched the Shell V-Power (when possible). Didn't notice much of a difference MPG or power wise.

PetroCan is an option around me. The best MPG I have ever gotten was from an Ultramar station, just south of Gravenhurst, Ontario. They don't have any info on their site (ultramar.ca), so I just emailed them.

I really wish companies were more transparent with their cetane ratings.
 
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