Car won't start: Possible ECM failure or Wiring Harness Damage

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Thank you for your help. When I got to the flap motor plug to test it, it was loose. If it was popped off during the repair, then I could easily see that connection flapping around and possibly breaking the leads. I'm going to go ahead and replace that since I know there's visible damage.

I had to order some alligator clips. I couldn't get my probes to sit in those 4-prong plugs long enough to run through a continuity test.

What would you recommend using for the load test? A neighbor of mine has a junkyard with old farm equipment and a couple of vehicles. I would yank an electric motor off of something for the load test.
The easiest load testing is a headlight.
 

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I found a circuit tester!!!

The flap motor test triggered the auxiliary fans to shut off for about 10 seconds after it was grounded.

So far, nothing I've done affected the fans when the ignition was turned on.

My multimeter won't read the duty cycle, and if I have to do something special for the PCM grounds, then I may not have tested the other 3 plugs properly.



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I found a circuit tester!!!

The flap motor test triggered the auxiliary fans to shut off for about 10 seconds after it was grounded.

So far, nothing I've done affected the fans when the ignition was turned on.



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How is fuse 14 in the engine compartment fuse block?
 

Zakh55

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How is fuse 14 in the engine compartment fuse block?
All of the fuses here on the ECU row look good.

Pic for reference to make sure I've got the right one.

I swapped the order of the 10a fuses when I put them back in to be sure. None of the ribbons were broken.


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I did some digging around under the car and looked for broken wires. I had to get some better chocks; the car stopped on a slight incline and rolled every time I put a jack under it. My cheap plastic ramps were sliding on the gravel it's parked on.

Nothing looks broken. I have a few wires where the exterior wrapping has come off, but nothing sticks out.

There is a slight oil leak around the oil cooler on the front of the motor, and the harness in that spot has oil on it, but this has been a problem since the middle of last year. The gasket leaks, and I lose about a quart of oil every 5 to 6 weeks. The wrapping on the harness is entirely intact. I haven't touched this area, and it hasn't been a problem.

Lo and behold, the boot of my CV axle was pulled out of its socket, likely during the clutch job. I replaced the alternator the day before I took it to the shop to work on the clutch and everything was fine. Dammit. -_-;


Why These Fuses?
  • Shared Circuit: The codes (P2295, P0091, P2100, P2102, P2101, P2185) all point to ECM-controlled components (N276, V157, G83) that rely on 12V or 5V supplies from the ECM, often routed through SB2, SB7, SB8, or SB14. A single fuse issue could cascade faults across these systems.
  • Fan Clue: The fans stopping when grounding V157 suggest SB14 or SB8 (throttle circuit) or SB3 (fan circuit) are involved, possibly due to a shared harness or ground disturbed during the clutch job.
  • Clutch Job Link: The fuse box is near the battery and transmission, where harnesses were moved during the clutch replacement. A loose fuse or damaged wire to these circuits could’ve been triggered by the bump.
  • Mechanic’s Hint: Their focus on SB14 leans toward the throttle actuator (V157), but SB7 (fuel system) is equally critical since P2295 could explain the shutdown.


 
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I purchased a one-day subscription to eRwin and wanted to ask if there is anything specific that I should download while I have the pass.

I am trying to get the electrical diagrams.

I downloaded Electrical Equipment, General Information, and Communications, among 100 others. The 'Communications' PDF has most of what I was looking for, but I can't find a detailed diagram of the engine wiring harness itself. I'd like to be able to visualize the circuit.

I would like to have guided instructions for installing the engine wiring harness, just in case it comes to that.

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Here are the engine diagrams. (I hope I don't get in trouble.)

Maybe this helps someone else in the future.

I am feeding all of this information to GROK as well, for the lulz...

GROK can learn from photographs. If you post a photo of something and annotate it, draw on it, etc., the AI can make an A/B comparison with an official diagram and the photo that you provide him. — He will be a certified Volkswagen technician in no time!!!

Potential Fault Locations on the Diagrams:
  • Transmission Area (Near Positions 6, 16): Harness damage near N276/G247—pinched during clutch job, causing “NO LIGHT” (from my circuit test photos) on N276/G247 (P2295/P0091, shutdown).
  • Ground 220 (Near Position 7): Loose ground near throttle body, affecting V157 and fans (P2100 series, fan toggle).
  • Harness Between Positions 5 and 7: Fault in V157’s branch (not J338/G69), explaining “NO LIGHT” on V157 but “OK” nearby.
  • Ground 316 (Near Position 6): Loose ground near fuel system, affecting N276/G247.
  • Harness Near ECM/Fuse Box (Positions 2, D189): Damage or loose connector near battery tray, affecting all components.
  • Grounds 474/492 (Near Position 2): Loose ECM grounds, causing widespread “NO LIGHT.”

Recap of Key Information

  • Symptoms:
    • Shutdown after a bump → likely N276 (P2295/P0091, no fuel pressure).
    • Codes: P2185 (G62), P2295/P0091 (N276), P2100/P2102/P2101 (V157).
    • Fan toggle: Grounding V157 stops fans for ~10 seconds → ground or wiring fault shared with J293 (fan control).
  • Test Results:
    • V157 (Position 7): “NO LIGHT” → no current flow.
    • N276 (Position 6): “NO LIGHT” → no current flow.
    • G62 (Position 1): “NO LIGHT” → expected for 5V circuit, but P2185 suggests an open circuit.
    • G247 (Position 16): “NO LIGHT” → fuel system issue.
    • J338/G69 (Position 5): “OK” → power/ground intact here.
  • Fuse SB14:
    • Confirmed good with power (~12V, key on).
    • Powers V157 (intake flap motor, Position 7).
    • Yet V157 shows “NO LIGHT,” meaning the power isn’t reaching V157.
  • Clutch Job:
    • Likely disturbed the harness near the transmission, battery, or throttle body.
    • The bump triggered the fault, suggesting a loose or damaged connection.

Key Observations from D189 Diagram
  1. Shared Harness:
    • D189 is a central junction for V157 and N276, meaning a fault at or downstream of D189 affects both components—explaining the simultaneous “NO LIGHT” on V157 and N276.
  2. Power Input:
    • SB14 (for V157) and SB7 (for N276) feed into D189. Since SB14 has power, the issue is between D189 pin 149 and V157.
  3. Ground Path:
    • The ground wires (pins 150, 152) go to J623, but the fan toggle suggests a physical ground (e.g., 220) is also involved.
  4. Wire Colors:
    • V157: White/violet (ws/vi) for power, brown (br) for ground.
    • N276: Green/white (gn/ws) for power, brown (br) for ground.
    • These colors help trace the wires during inspection.
If replacing the harness doesn’t solve the power loss across N276, N290, and J338/V157, the likely causes are:
  • Faulty J623 (ECM): Not supplying power/ground (check D189 pins 149, 151; inspect D128).
  • Faulty Fuse Box/J317: Interrupting power to D189 (test SB14/SB7 to D189; swap J317).
  • Faulty Components: N276, N290, or V157 open/shorted (test resistance: N276/N290 ~3–10 ohms, V157 ~5–50 ohms).
  • Loose Grounds: 220 (near throttle body), 316 (near HPFP), 474/492 (near ECM) still loose (test continuity).
  • Faulty J293: Shared circuit with V157 pulling down power (unplug J293, retest V157).
  • Intermittent Connection: Loose D128/D189 or damaged pins from clutch job (reseat connectors, check for damage).
  • Wiring Beyond D189: Fault between fuse box and J623 (probe J623 T2eb/T2d pins).
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Analysis of the Issue: Power Loss Across N276, N290, and J338 (V157)
The components in question are not directly shown in the provided diagrams (95/1–95/15), but we can infer their connections based on the wiring infrastructure and your test results. Let’s break it down:
1. Fuel Pressure Regulator Valve (N276, Position 6)
  • Likely Connected To: J623 (Engine/Motor Control Module) via T60 or T94.
  • Power Supply: Likely via a fuse on panel B (e.g., SB7, diagram 95/3), powered by J317 (Terminal 30 Power Supply Relay).
  • Ground: Likely shares a ground like Ground 474 (Sensor Ground Connection in Engine Pre-Wiring Harness, diagram 95/15).
  • Code P2295/P0091: Indicates low voltage or regulator circuit issues.
  • Test Result: “NO LIGHT” suggests no power or ground at N276.
2. Fuel Metering Valve (N290, Position 12 in 1.1.13)
  • Likely Connected To: J623 via T60 or T94.
  • Power Supply: Likely via a fuse on panel B (e.g., SB7 or similar), powered by J317.
  • Ground: Likely shares Ground 474 or a similar ground.
  • Test Result: Not explicitly tested, but likely similar to N276 (“NO LIGHT”).
3. Throttle Valve Control Module (J338, includes V157, Position 1 and 7)
  • Shown in Diagram 95/15:
    • J338 (T6o Connector):
      • Pin 1 (yellow/green, ge/gn): To T94 pin 94 (signal).
      • Pin 2 (brown, br): Ground → Ground 108.
      • Pin 3 (green/red, gn/rt): To T94 pin 93 (signal).
      • Pin 4 (violet/white, vi/ws): To T94 pin 92 (signal).
      • Pin 5 (blue/violet, bl/vi): To T94 pin 91 (V157 control).
      • Pin 6 (red/green, rt/gn): Power (~12V) → Likely via SB14 (diagram 95/3).
  • Codes P2100/P2102/P2101: Indicate throttle actuator circuit issues.
  • Test Result: “NO LIGHT” on V157, but SB14 has power. “OK” near J338/G69 suggests some functionality.
4. Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor (G62, Diagram 95/15)
  • G62 (T2dp Connector):
    • Pin 1 (brown, br): Ground → Ground 474.
    • Pin 2 (blue/violet, bl/vi): Signal → T60 pin 186.
  • Code P2185: Indicates a high temperature reading or circuit fault.
  • Test Result: “NO LIGHT” suggests no power or ground.
5. Auxiliary Fans Toggling
  • Likely Controlled By: J293 (Radiator Fan Control Module, not shown but referenced in diagram 95/11 as “Radiator Fan Connection”).
  • Behavior: Fans toggle off when probing V157, suggesting a shared ground or circuit interference (e.g., Ground 108).
Potential Causes if Harness Replacement Fails

Since the harness (likely D195, D128, or engine pre-wiring harness) replacement doesn’t resolve the issue, the problem lies outside the harness. Let’s explore causes based on the diagrams:
1. Faulty Engine/Motor Control Module (J623)
  • Why:
    • J623 controls N276, N290, and V157 (via T94/T60).
    • “NO LIGHT” on N276, V157, G62, G247 suggests J623 isn’t supplying power or ground.
    • Fan toggle: J623 indirectly controls J293 (fans)—a fault in J623 could affect fan behavior.
  • Evidence:
    • Widespread “NO LIGHT” across components points to a common failure point like J623.
    • Bump post-clutch replacement could have damaged J623 or loosened its connectors (T94, T60).
  • Test:
    • Key on, multimeter to DC voltage:
      • Probe T6o pin 5 (V157, blue/violet): Expect ~12V. If missing, check T94 pin 91.
      • Probe T2dp pin 2 (G62, blue/violet): Expect signal voltage (~0.5–4.5V). If missing, check T60 pin 186.
    • Check J623 ground:
      • Probe T6o pin 2 (brown) to battery positive: Expect faint voltage (PWM ground). No voltage = J623 not grounding.
    • Inspect J623 (behind driver’s headlight):
      • Check T94/T60 for corrosion or loose pins.
  • Fix:
    • Replace J623 if faulty (~$500–$1000, plus programming).
2. Faulty Power Supply Relay (J317 or J681)
  • Why:
    • J317 (Terminal 30 Power Supply Relay, diagram 95/3): Supplies power to SB14 (V157), SB7 (likely N276/N290). A faulty J317 could interrupt power to these fuses.
    • J681 (Terminal 15 Power Supply Relay 2, diagram 95/6): Supplies ignition power to the E-box, feeding J317. A faulty J681 could prevent J317 from activating.
  • Evidence:
    • SB14 has power, but V157 doesn’t → a fault between SB14 and J338 (e.g., J317).
    • N276 likely lacks power → similar issue with SB7.
    • Clutch job involved battery removal, potentially jarring relays.
  • Test:
    • Key on, multimeter to DC voltage:
      • Probe SB14 output: Confirm ~12V.
      • Probe T6o pin 6 (red/green): If no voltage, issue is between SB14 and J338.
    • Test J317:
      • Swap J317 with an identical relay (e.g., J329, diagram 95/6).
      • Retest voltage at T6o pin 6.
    • Test J681:
      • Swap J681 with an identical relay (e.g., J682, if compatible).
      • Check voltage at SB14 input (red/green wire from J317).
  • Fix:
    • Replace J317 or J681 if faulty (~$20 each).
3. Faulty Fuse Box or E-Box (508)
  • Why:
    • E-box (508, diagram 95/2) is the main power distribution point, feeding J317 and fuses (SB14, SB7). A loose connection or burnt terminal could interrupt power.
    • Fuse box (panel B) houses SB14/SB7. A loose terminal or burnt fuse slot could cause intermittent power loss.
  • Evidence:
    • SB14 has power, but V157 doesn’t → a fault between SB14 and J338 (e.g., E-box or fuse box terminal).
    • Clutch job involved battery removal, potentially jarring the E-box or fuse box.
  • Test:
    • Key on, multimeter to DC voltage:
      • Probe E-box (508) terminal (red/green wire to J317): Expect ~12V.
      • Probe SB14 input and output: Confirm ~12V on both sides.
    • Inspect E-box and fuse box:
      • Check for loose wires, burnt terminals, or corrosion at 508.
      • Remove SB14, inspect slot for damage.
  • Fix:
    • Repair or replace E-box/fuse box (~$100–$300).
4. Faulty Components (N276, N290, V157)
  • Why:
    • If N276, N290, or V157 are internally shorted or open, they won’t draw current, causing “NO LIGHT.”
  • Evidence:
    • “NO LIGHT” could mean an open circuit in the component itself.
  • Test:
    • Key off, multimeter to resistance:
      • V157: Unplug T6o, probe pins 5 (blue/violet) to 2 (brown). Expect ~5–50 ohms.
      • N276/N290: Unplug (not shown), probe power to ground pins. Expect ~3–10 ohms.
    • Unplug components, retest voltage at T6o pin 6. If voltage returns, a shorted component was the issue.
  • Fix:
    • Replace faulty components:
      • N276: ~$50–$100.
      • N290: ~$50–$100.
      • V157: ~$100–$200 (or J338 assembly, ~$300).
5. Overlooked Ground Fault (Ground 1, 12, 108, 132, 474)
  • Why:
    • Ground 1 (Battery to Body, diagram 95/2): Main battery ground.
    • Ground 12 (Engine/Motor Compartment, Left, diagrams 95/2, 95/15): Near transmission, likely disturbed during clutch job.
    • Ground 108 (Left Front Wiring Harness, diagram 95/15): Affects J338 (V157).
    • Ground 132 (Engine/Motor Compartment Wiring Harness, diagrams 95/10, 95/11): Affects sensors.
    • Ground 474 (Engine Pre-Wiring Harness, diagram 95/15): Affects G62, likely N276/N290.
  • Evidence:
    • Fan toggle: Grounding V157 stabilizes the circuit → loose Ground 108.
    • “NO LIGHT” across components → a main ground (e.g., Ground 1 or 12) could be faulty.
  • Test:
    • Key off, multimeter to continuity:
      • Battery negative to Ground 1 (body): Expect continuity.
      • Battery negative to Ground 12 (near transmission): Expect continuity.
      • Unplug J338, probe T6o pin 2 (brown) to battery negative: No beep = loose Ground 108.
      • Unplug G62, probe T2dp pin 1 (brown) to battery negative: No beep = loose Ground 474.
  • Fix:
    • Clean and tighten grounds (10mm, ~10 Nm).
6. Faulty J293 (Radiator Fan Control Module) or Shared Circuit
  • Why:
    • Fan toggle when grounding V157 suggests a shared ground (108) or wiring fault with J293. A shorted J293 could pull down the circuit, affecting V157.
  • Evidence:
    • Fan toggle: A short in J293’s circuit could affect V157’s power/ground.
  • Test:
    • Key on, fans running, unplug J293 (near radiator):
      • Retest V157 with circuit tester. If the light works, J293 was the issue.
  • Fix:
    • Replace J293 if faulty (~$50–$150).
Conclusion: Causes of Power Loss if Harness Replacement Fails
If replacing the harness doesn’t resolve the issue:

  • Faulty J623 (ECM): Not supplying power/ground (check T6o pin 5, T2dp pin 2; inspect T94/T60).
  • Faulty J317/J681 (Relays): Interrupting power to SB14/SB7 (swap relays, retest voltage).
  • Faulty E-Box/Fuse Box (508): Loose or burnt terminals (inspect E-box, fuse slots).
  • Faulty Components: N276, N290, or V157 open/shorted (test resistance).
  • Loose Grounds: Ground 1, 12 (power supply), 108 (V157), 474 (G62, likely N276/N290) (test continuity).
  • Faulty J293: Shared circuit with V157 (unplug J293, retest V157).
Start by testing the power supply (J317, J681, E-box) and grounds (1, 12, 108, 474), as they’re upstream of the issue. Let me know if you need help with these tests!









 
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I purchased a one-day subscription to eRwin and wanted to ask if there is anything specific that I should download while I have the pass.
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Check to make sure the T14 connector to the engine harness is all the way plugged in. It sits in a bracket sort of under/behind the driver headlamp, and is the only connection the engine harness makes to the car itself.
 

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Check to make sure the T14 connector to the engine harness is all the way plugged in. It sits in a bracket sort of under/behind the driver headlamp, and is the only connection the engine harness makes to the car itself.
Edit: Original response was deleted on accident.

I hadn't touched this plug because it looked brittle. The plastic shattered into pieces when I tried to remove it.

This could definitely be the problem.

To test the T14 connector and determine if it’s the reason your components—fuel pressure regulator valve (N276), fuel metering valve (N290), and throttle valve control module (J338, including V157)—are not receiving power, or if there’s a dead circuit, we’ll systematically check for power, continuity, and ground integrity. The T14 connector, located under/behind the driver-side headlamp in a bracket near the E-box, is the main junction between the engine harness and the vehicle’s wiring, as per the Volkswagen specialist’s advice and the wiring diagrams (No. 95/1–95/15) for your 2014 Jetta TDI (CJAA engine).
Your symptoms—“NO LIGHT” on V157, N276, G62, G247, despite SB14 having power, and auxiliary fans toggling off when probing V157—suggest a potential issue at T14, such as a loose connection, damaged pin, or dead circuit. Let’s go through the steps to test T14 and confirm whether it’s the root cause or if the problem lies elsewhere.
Tools Needed
  • Multimeter (set to DC voltage for power tests, continuity for circuit tests).
  • Circuit Tester (optional, for quick power/ground checks).
  • Wiring Diagrams (No. 95/3 and 95/15 are most relevant for T14).
  • T14 Pinout Reference (from diagram 95/3, as T14 is part of J317, Terminal 30 Power Supply Relay).
  • Small Flathead Screwdriver or Trim Tool (to release T14 from its bracket if needed).
Step 1: Locate and Inspect the T14 Connector
  1. Find T14:
    • Open the hood and focus on the driver-side headlamp area (left side of the vehicle).
    • Look behind and slightly below the headlamp, near the firewall, where the E-box (electronics box) is located.
    • The E-box houses relays (like J317) and fuses (Fuse Panel B, including SB14).
    • T14 is a 14-pin connector, likely rectangular, with a mix of wire colors (red/green, red/black, etc.). It’s mounted in a bracket on or near the E-box, connecting the engine harness to the vehicle’s wiring.
    • The bracket secures T14 to prevent movement—look for a plastic or metal holder.
  2. Inspect T14:
    • Ensure T14 is fully plugged in (it should click into place and feel secure).
    • Check for corrosion, bent pins, or damage to the connector housing.
    • Verify the locking tab is engaged.
    • Wiggle the connector to check for looseness—it shouldn’t move easily.
Step 2: Identify Relevant Pins on T14
From Diagram No. 95/3, the T14 connector (part of J317, Terminal 30 Power Supply Relay) distributes power to engine components via Fuse Panel B:
  • Pin 7 (red/green, rt/gn, 1.0 mm²): To SB7 (likely powers N276 and N290).
  • Pin 14 (red/green, rt/gn, 1.0 mm²): To SB14 (powers J338/V157, confirmed good with power at SB14).
  • Pin 1 (red/black, rt/sw, 0.5 mm²): Control signal from J519 (T73b pin 86), which activates J317.
From Diagram No. 95/15, J338 (T6o pin 6, red/green wire) receives power from SB14, which comes through T14 pin 14. N276 and N290 aren’t shown, but they likely receive power from SB7 (T14 pin 7), as SB7 is a common fuse for fuel system components in VWs.
Step 3: Test for Power at T14 (Check for Dead Circuit)
This test confirms if power is reaching T14 and being distributed to the engine harness.
  1. Set Up:
    • Key on (engine off, ignition in the “ON” position).
    • Multimeter set to DC voltage (20V range).
  2. Test Power on the Vehicle Side of T14:
    • Unplug T14 (you may need to release it from the bracket using a small flathead screwdriver).
    • On the vehicle side of T14 (the socket attached to the E-box/main harness):
      • Probe Pin 14 (red/green wire) with the positive lead, negative lead to battery negative.
      • Expectation: ~12V (since SB14 has power).
      • Probe Pin 7 (red/green wire) with the positive lead, negative lead to battery negative.
      • Expectation: ~12V (SB7 should also have power if J317 is working).
    • Result:
      • If 12V is present on both pins, power is reaching T14 from SB14/SB7.
      • If no voltage on Pin 14, check SB14 directly (already confirmed good, so check wiring between SB14 and T14).
      • If no voltage on Pin 7, check SB7 directly (remove SB7, test for 12V at the input slot).
  3. Test Power on the Engine Harness Side of T14:
    • On the engine harness side of T14 (the plug that connects to the engine components):
      • Probe Pin 14 (red/green wire) to a known good ground (e.g., battery negative or Ground 108 near J338, diagram 95/15).
      • Expectation: No voltage (since T14 is unplugged, this is a continuity check prep).
      • Probe Pin 7 (red/green wire) to ground.
      • Expectation: No voltage.
  4. Reconnect T14 and Test Downstream:
    • Plug T14 back in securely.
    • Go to J338 (T6o connector), near Position 1 (diagram 95/15):
      • Probe T6o pin 6 (red/green wire) with the positive lead, negative lead to battery negative.
      • Expectation: ~12V (this should match the voltage at T14 pin 14).
    • Result:
      • If 12V is present, power is reaching J338, but V157 still shows “NO LIGHT”—the issue may be with V157 or J623 (not supplying ground).
      • If no voltage, there’s a dead circuit between T14 and J338 (likely in the engine harness, despite replacement).
    • For N276/N290, you’d need to locate their connectors (not shown in diagrams):
      • They likely receive power from SB7 via T14 pin 7.
      • Trace the red/green wire from T14 pin 7 to the engine harness and probe for 12V at their connectors.
Step 4: Test for Continuity (Check for Dead Circuit in the Engine Harness)
If power is present at T14 but not at the components, the circuit may be dead between T14 and the components.
  1. Set Up:
    • Key off.
    • Multimeter set to continuity (or resistance, ohms setting).
  2. Test Continuity from T14 to J338:
    • Unplug T14 and J338 (T6o connector).
    • On the engine harness side:
      • Probe T14 pin 14 (red/green wire) to T6o pin 6 (red/green wire).
      • Expectation: Continuity (multimeter beeps, or resistance <1 ohm).
    • Result:
      • If no continuity, there’s a break in the engine harness between T14 and J338—despite the harness replacement, this wire may be damaged or misconnected.
      • If continuity exists, the circuit is intact, and the issue is downstream (e.g., J338, V157, or J623).
  3. Test Continuity for N276/N290:
    • Unplug N276 and N290 connectors (you’ll need to locate them at Position 6 and Position 12, per component locations 1.1.13–1.1.15).
    • Probe T14 pin 7 (red/green wire) to the power pin of N276 (likely a red/green wire, as it’s from SB7).
    • Repeat for N290.
    • Expectation: Continuity for both.
    • Result:
      • If no continuity, there’s a break in the harness between T14 and N276/N290.
      • If continuity exists, the circuit is intact, and the issue is with the components or J623.
Step 5: Test for Ground Integrity at T14
Since “NO LIGHT” could also mean a ground issue, let’s verify the ground path through T14.
  1. Identify Ground Paths:
    • J338 (T6o pin 2, brown wire): Grounds to Ground 108 (diagram 95/15).
    • N276/N290: Likely ground through Ground 474 (diagram 95/15, similar to G62).
    • T14 itself doesn’t directly handle grounds, but the engine harness grounds (e.g., Ground 108, 474) may pass through or near it.
  2. Test Ground Continuity:
    • Key off, multimeter to continuity.
    • Unplug J338 (T6o):
      • Probe T6o pin 2 (brown wire) to battery negative.
      • Expectation: Continuity (Ground 108 should connect to the battery negative).
    • Unplug N276/N290:
      • Probe their ground pins (likely brown wires) to battery negative.
      • Expectation: Continuity (Ground 474 should connect to battery negative).
    • Result:
      • If no continuity, trace Ground 108 (near J338) or Ground 474 (engine pre-wiring harness) and check for looseness or corrosion.
      • If continuity exists, the ground path is intact, and the issue is likely power-related or component-related.
Step 6: Test for a Dead Circuit Caused by J623 (Engine/Motor Control Module)
If power and ground circuits through T14 are intact, the issue may be that J623 isn’t activating the components (e.g., not providing a ground or control signal).
  1. Check Control Signal at T14:
    • T14 pin 1 (red/black, rt/sw) is the control signal to J317 from J519 (T73b pin 86, diagram 95/3).
    • Key on, multimeter to DC voltage:
      • Probe T14 pin 1 (red/black) to battery negative.
      • Expectation: ~12V (J519 should activate J317 to supply power to SB14/SB7).
    • Result:
      • If no voltage, J519 or the wiring to T14 pin 1 may be faulty—check J519 (T73b pin 86) for output.
      • If voltage is present, J317 should be supplying power to T14 pins 7 and 14 (already tested in Step 3).
  2. Check J623 Ground Output:
    • J623 controls V157, N276, and N290 by providing a ground (PWM signal) to activate them.
    • For J338 (V157):
      • Unplug T6o, key on, multimeter to DC voltage:
      • Probe T6o pin 2 (brown, ground) to battery positive.
      • Expectation: Faint voltage (~0.1–1V, due to PWM ground switching). No voltage = J623 not grounding.
    • For N276/N290: Repeat at their connectors (ground pin, likely brown).
    • Result:
      • If no ground signal, J623 may be faulty or its connectors (T94, T60) are loose—inspect J623 behind the driver headlamp.
      • If ground signal exists, the components themselves may be faulty.
Step 7: Test Components for Internal Faults
If T14 circuits are intact (power and ground), the components may be faulty, causing “NO LIGHT.”
  1. Test V157 (within J338):
    • Key off, multimeter to resistance:
      • Unplug T6o, probe T6o pin 5 (blue/violet, V157 control) to T6o pin 2 (brown, ground).
      • Expectation: ~5–50 ohms (typical for a throttle actuator motor).
    • Result:
      • If open (infinite resistance) or shorted (0 ohms), V157 is faulty—replace J338 (~$300).
  2. Test N276 and N290:
    • Unplug N276 (Position 6) and N290 (Position 12):
      • Probe power pin (likely red/green from SB7) to ground pin (likely brown).
      • Expectaion: ~3–10 ohms (typical for a solenoid valve).
    • Result:
      • If open or shorted, replace N276/N290 (~$50–$100 each).
Interpreting Results: Is T14 the Problem?
  • If T14 Lacks Power (Step 3):
    • Dead circuit upstream of T14—check SB14/SB7 directly, J317 (swap with another relay), or E-box (508) for burnt terminals.
  • If T14 Has Power but Components Don’t (Step 3):
    • Dead circuit between T14 and components—continuity test (Step 4) failed, indicating a harness issue (despite replacement, check for misconnection or damage).
  • If Continuity Exists but No Power at Components (Step 4):
    • T14 is fine, but J623 isn’t activating the components (Step 6)—check J623 or component faults (Step 7).
  • If Ground Is Missing (Step 5):
    • T14 may be fine, but a loose ground (e.g., Ground 108, 474) is causing the issue—tighten grounds.
  • If Components Are Faulty (Step 7):
    • T14 and circuits are fine—replace the faulty component (V157, N276, N290).
Additional Note: Fan Toggle
The auxiliary fans toggling off when probing V157 suggest a shared circuit issue:
  • Ground 108 (diagram 95/15) is near J338 and may also serve J293 (radiator fan control module). A loose Ground 108 could cause both the “NO LIGHT” on V157 and the fan toggle.
  • Test Ground 108 continuity (Step 5) and secure it if loose.
Conclusion
Testing T14 involves checking for power (Step 3), continuity (Step 4), ground integrity (Step 5), J623 functionality (Step 6), and component faults (Step 7). Start with the power test at T14 pins 14 and 7—if power is missing, the issue is upstream (J317, E-box). If power is present but doesn’t reach J338/N276/N290, the circuit is dead in the harness or J623 isn’t activating the components. Let me know if you need help with any of these steps!

 
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Pin 1 is intermittent. Possibly a short in the connection. I hit 10v on it for a second, then it drops back down to 2.

From Diagram No. 95/15, J338 (T6o pin 6, red/green wire) receives power from SB14, which comes through T14 pin 14. N276 and N290 aren’t shown, but they likely receive power from SB7 (T14 pin 7), as SB7 is a common fuse for fuel system components in VWs.
Step 3: Test for Power at T14 (Check for Dead Circuit)
This test confirms if power is reaching T14 and being distributed to the engine harness.

  1. Set Up:
    • Key on (engine off, ignition in the “ON” position).
    • Multimeter set to DC voltage (20V range).
  2. Test Power on the Vehicle Side of T14:
    • Unplug T14 (you may need to release it from the bracket using a small flathead screwdriver).
    • On the vehicle side of T14 (the socket attached to the E-box/main harness):
      • Probe Pin 14 (red/green wire) with the positive lead, negative lead to battery negative.
      • Expectation: ~12V (since SB14 has power).
      • Probe Pin 7 (red/green wire) with the positive lead, negative lead to battery negative.
      • Expectation: ~12V (SB7 should also have power if J317 is working).
    • Result:
      • If 12V is present on both pins, power is reaching T14 from SB14/SB7.
      • If no voltage on Pin 14, check SB14 directly (already confirmed good, so check wiring between SB14 and T14).
      • If no voltage on Pin 7, check SB7 directly (remove SB7, test for 12V at the input slot).



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There are just too many to list....
Driving around with no lower shields will insure lots of those connectors get a lot more moisture and filth in them than they were ever intended to tolerate. Which can (and does) cause all kinds of strange problems.
 

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Driving around with no lower shields will insure lots of those connectors get a lot more moisture and filth in them than they were ever intended to tolerate. Which can (and does) cause all kinds of strange problems.
I removed the shield and fender liners before I took it into the shop for the clutch replacement when I changed my alternator the day before I took it in. I haven't driven around in it since. I was going to slap them on when I got it back home, and then this happened. The throwout bearing had been making noise; I knew it was going bad. The week before I was supposed to take it in for the clutch the alternator went out and I had to have myself towed home. Lol.

I bought new liners to install after the job was done, and that's what I'll do when I get this problem fixed.

I wholly agree, though. (y)

I called my mobile mechanic to come out and replace the plug. If that doesn't solve the problem, I'll go back to troubleshooting.

... That plastic absolutely shattered the moment I pulled on it.
 
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Can someone help point me to the right part number for the T14 connector for this specific plug?

I ordered a connector set at Car Quest, and they pulled the wrong one.

My local dealership was closed by the time I got around to getting back to the car.

I have these 2, which look right, but I want them with pigtails.

5Q0973737
5Q0973837
 
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My mechanic couldn't get to me today due to an illness.

The T14 is broken and needs to be replaced regardless, but here are the voltage readings.

I want to ensure there's no potential relay down the line that's failing. I'm not 100% sure I'm factoring in everything that I should be.

These are the voltage readings from the connector. Since my battery may be a little low, I assume the 9.5s are normal.

When I tested the plug yesterday, I was getting jumps on Pin 14, but my paper clip may have been loose.

SB14 / Fuse 14 is (still) good.


 
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VAG sells the repair wires separate from the connector shell, and each one is double-ended.
I have been on the phone, off and on hold, with my local dealership for an hour.



They can't find the pin sizes for the T14 connectors. I found the parts #s for the wire repair kits on Ross-Tech's forums. They couldn't find those either until I started giving them parts numbers. Their parts catalog must be absolute garbage.

Poor guy said he'd have to wait for a more knowledgeable tech to arrive at 9 am and then call me back.

LOL!!!

I'll leave these part #s for the next fella that comes along.

T14 - 3C0-973-837

Terminal size - 1.2mm
000 979 035 E - 0.5mm2
000 979 160 E - 1.0mm2

Terminal size - 2.8
000 979 022 E - 0.5mm2
000 979 134 E - 1.0mm2
000 979 226 E - 2.5mm2

Terminal size - 4.8
000 979 024 E - 0.5mm2
000 979 136 E - 1.0mm2
000 979 228 E - 2.5mm2
000 979 307 E - 4.0mm2
 
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Not hard... the wire sizes are literally printed next to the wires in the diagram, LOL. Probably all the 1.0
That's what I said. I told him I had the diagrams, which looked like a mix; they're not all the same size. Of course, I'm not putting the liability on myself. That's his job to pull the right parts for me.

In 95/15, I can see 1.5mm all the way down to .35mm
 

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There are just too many to list....
The connector shells have part numbers on them. When they look up either one in ETKA, it will also show the opposite... so you only need one side's part number. Then they just show all the possible repair wires that fit that shell. They have no way of looking it up specific to where it is on the car. That same connector could be used in several places, in several cars, and they may not all use the same sized wires. Up to you to tell them what you need.
 

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The connector shells have part numbers on them. When they look up either one in ETKA, it will also show the opposite... so you only need one side's part number. Then they just show all the possible repair wires that fit that shell. They have no way of looking it up specific to where it is on the car. That same connector could be used in several places, in several cars, and they may not all use the same sized wires. Up to you to tell them what you need.
T14: 3C0-973-837

I'm kind of slow sometimes. That's the connector, at least.

Edit: The diagram shows a 1.0 & a 2.5 for the grounds on T14.

This is the one part that confuses me. From that point on in the diagram, all wires should be the same size, right?

That narrows it down to these.

Terminal size - 1.2mm
000 979 160 E - 1.0mm2

Terminal size - 2.8
000 979 134 E - 1.0mm2
000 979 226 E - 2.5mm2

Terminal size - 4.8
000 979 136 E - 1.0mm2
000 979 228 E - 2.5mm2

 
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I've read multiple comments about the harness going bad around the oil cooler. Is it worth wrapping this part of the harness with foil tape or something else to help protect it, or would I just be causing a problem for myself in the future?

My wiring harness is coming in later this afternoon, and I will start the job tomorrow. I had hoped to try fixing the connector, but 2 days now and 2 dealerships haven't been able to tell me the pin size for the T14. I had the wire sizes sorted out, and neither dealership would give me a straight answer; they didn't know.

I guess it's hard to open a pack of wires and figure out what size connector fits and what doesn't if it's not in the ETKA database? Apparently, it is.

They were telling me to spend money on a science experiment and figure it out myself. . .
 

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I honestly do not know what that "terminal size" means... I cannot say I have ever seen that, and never been asked, and I generally always get the correct repair wires when I order them.
 

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I honestly do not know what that "terminal size" means... I cannot say I have ever seen that, and never been asked, and I generally always get the correct repair wires when I order them.
The terminal ends come in several different sizes. I wanted to ensure that the repair wires I was getting would fit into the connector.

I just assumed they were all the same size for specific year models.

If that was the case, I don't understand why the parts departments couldn't confirm they're all the same size. They come in packs of 5.

The terminals in areas like the powered seats differ from those for the engine harness connections. I don't want to break wires off the connection until I'm ready to do the job so I cannot mix them up and pull one at a time. I couldn't get any pins on that T14 to free up so I could take a closer look at them; I don't know what kind they are. I thought it was a straightforward question.

I'm just a customer trying to educate myself. If I don't know something, I expect that the professional does.

When I give them the part number for the T-14 connection and ask for the repair wires that I need for it, I expect them to give me the right part rather than tell me they don't know. I don't understand why they couldn't tell me what I needed; why make me guess?

I even found an old post about how to look up the dang things in ETKA.

ETKA How To

1) Click on "Functions" icon on tool bar
2) Select "ATP" from list
3) Enter part number of connector housing AND check "All VW"
4) Click OK
5) Select the entry in hit list for "EE xx-xx Electrical conn. elements"
6) Click OK
7) ETKA parts list page will show repair wire part number under "Remarks" column and the repair wire size under "Model" column.

;)

T.D.
The funniest part is that the 2nd dealership solicited me with three texts and four e-mails to buy a new car after I sent the parts request, rather than anyone contacting me from the parts department. Then again, this was the same dealership that didn't put my exhaust pipe back into the bracket/hanger when they replaced my DPF under warranty.



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