Car won't start? Check your Anti Shudder Valve

leicaman

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Just prior to this we did the intake cleaning X-2. I sent the intake to a machine shop to boil it out, well he got too aggressive and sand blasted a hole in the intake. VW wanted too much so I started looking around, I thought a used one but we would have to do the same thing to be sure it was clean. I then found this website, have bought several parts including an intake for my TDI; $100, fuel filter, air filter, glow plugs all great prices.

http://www.volkswaparts.com/
Don't try to cheap out on parts. Just search on the forums for the reputation of Peter Rothenbacher, who runs the link you provided. Look over this link:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=199567

I think you would get higher quality parts if you went with vendors like below:

http://shopping.boraparts.com/

http://www.idparts.com/

http://www.worldimpex.com/

http://www.1stvwparts.com/

http://www.dieselgeek.com/servlet/StoreFront


and for some parts

http://www.blauparts.com/

The place you have bought parts from has a less than stellar rep. from the experience of others on this board.
 

joetdi

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Though the title of this thread addresses checking that the ASV is open prior to starting I have found other issues with this valve, though not directly.

The car I had would start and run for a second then stall, it acted the same way as if the valve was stuck closed. Further looking I found that when I started the car the ASV would close and stall the engine. I found out that the solenoid valve for it was stuck open allowing vacuum to the ASV on start up. I have only seen this 2 times since 1998 but, I though I would say something anyway.
 

adam_10

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thanx bro, your post saved me today, i parked my car,and after 4 hours i tried to start the car but its not, then your post clicked in my mind, and when i checked avs valve,it stopped in the middle,i reset it, crank the key and car started. thanx again....
is that just happens or is that the sign of some another trouble. can some answer this plzzzzzzzzzzz.
 
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From what I've seen, it's a sign of buildup in the intake in that area, just enough inside and on the ASV shaft to keep the valve from popping back open. I've carefully cleaned the area with intake cleaner and made sure the valve works freely as a fix.
 

jettiknight

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So my wife took our kid to compete in a cheer competition in San Antonio, TX about 160 miles from our home. She calls me from a hotel there and says the valet brought the car around and now it won't start. She had to take the kid to the show and left the car with the Valet guy who was trying to get it started. Well since I am in Germany when this happened and it's the weekend this was starting to suck real bad. Then I found this post by Compu 85. I called the Valet and asked him to pull the valve and bam! Car starts right up. Saved the weekend. Saved me a ton of money for towing. Saved a ton of money to have a shop look at it. Probably saved the marriage. Oh and the kids team got first place. Thanks a million for the post. Words are not enough.
 

bfield2001

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Thank you!

Thank you so much Compu 85, my TDI wouldn't start yesterday and thankfully it was in a location that I could leave it overnight. So I got online and found your information. When I went back this morning and fixed the valve it fired right up no problem! Saved me a ton of money! Thanks again.
 
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Does this still apply to the newer engines of not starting if you've said it's electrically mounted not mechanically as shown in first post? Can the local guru diagnose this failure and repair or does it need a replay to bypass?
 
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Ok my car all of a sudden wouldn't start after I changed the oil. It's a 98 jetta. Problem is my engine does not look like yours Pictured. I bought this car from a guy and have no idea what he was thinking or what he did. There is 4" exhaust coming to a 5" magnaflo tip and when getting on it boost gauge reads 16 psi. So I have two questions how do I turn this girl down and where would I start with egr fixing car cranks starts dies immediately it ran great until I went to restart after changing oil. Thanks for any help you may have.
 

grady12

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Stuck anti shudder valve was the problem, now what.

The anti shudder valve was stuck and I pulled it out. The car started right up. Thanks very much for the collective help.

I don't have a club recommended TDI mechanic near me so... does anyone have any suggestions on what my next move is?
thanks in advance, -Bob
 

whitedog

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The anti shudder valve was stuck and I pulled it out. The car started right up. Thanks very much for the collective help.

I don't have a club recommended TDI mechanic near me so... does anyone have any suggestions on what my next move is?
thanks in advance, -Bob
Now you need to find the how to on how to remove and clean your intake manifold.
 

Digeridoo

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Saved the day; "Boogers"

So there it was, stuck. Popped it open ... vroom!
I was explaining it to my 5yr old daughter, that for the engine it was like having its "nostrils" squeezed shut, so it couldn't get the air it needed. "Why did it get stuck?" "Diesel Boogers", I said.
Thanks, Bro!
JF
 

DIESELMAN3500

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ok, what would cause this valve to always have vacuum even after switching the control valve with a new one. what part of the computer system controls this. as soon as i start the car the control valve lets vacuum in to shut the asv and kills the engine.
hmmmmm
 

whitedog

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Are you sure you have the correct connector hooked up. The CCV heater element connector is the same and it will reach. I know this for sure.
 

DIESELMAN3500

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The ccv heater? i know there is a ccv valve but didnt know it was a heater. Ill check that later on see if i did something wrong.. Got the car in pieces and put it all back together and it did that.
 

montana_tdi

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Thanks for this post. I tried to find this Part on a picture today, but did not know the name of the Anti Shudder Valve. I cannot clean my intake, so I am guessing I will have to go visit a shop in Billings, Montana, any ideas??? I've been to the dealer ~learned the hard way.. Thanks again for a great post! Montana TDI
 

whitedog

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Thanks for this post. I tried to find this Part on a picture today, but did not know the name of the Anti Shudder Valve. I cannot clean my intake, so I am guessing I will have to go visit a shop in Billings, Montana, any ideas??? I've been to the dealer ~learned the hard way.. Thanks again for a great post! Montana TDI
How far are you from Coeur d'Alene Idaho? There is good help there.
 

brianwash

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I can't thank you all enough for this thread -- it's the second time the TDI Forums have got me on the right track with an engine problem. My car kept not starting, and finally I had to have it towed to the mechanic. Fortunately I showed up the next morning, explained the issue to the mechanic. They hadn't looked at it yet, so they were fine with me popping the valve open and driving it home as if nothing ever happened -- but they also seemed to have no concept about the anti-shudder valve.

To recap my symptoms to help folks might be having this problem:

- Engine just start to crank for a moment, then becomes a high-pitched cycling noise before the engine has a chance to start. Continued attempts to turn the engine over just produce the high-pitched cycling noise. That noise is the engine is turning over, but since no air is getting into the engine, there's no compression.

- The above condition would happen intermittently. But it was most common when taking short local trips, especially in really damp or wet weather. I found I could go for a walk, and anytime 5-30 minutes later the car would start as if nothing ever happened (the sticking anti-shudder valve eventually popped back out on its own).

- Anytime the car was started and running, there were no performance issues. There was never a check engine light condition.
 

Arvnazari

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I wanna take this time to genuinely thank all of you who posted on this thread. from the photos to the legit advice. this thread helped me A LOT..
 

Mike.Shanklin

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Dead 03 Golf TDi

Ok I'm in desperate need of help. I have a 2003 Golf TDi with 250,000 miles. My sister was using it and it died on her one morning last week. I checked it out and had a leak in the fuel pump. I replaced the three main seals in the pump. I bleed the system and have fuel going to the injectors. Still a no start it just cranks with no turn over. With full battery charge it cranks at about 180 rpm. I checked the anti shudder valve and it stays open. I have good compression on all 4 cylinders. I replaced the 109 relay. I have voltage going to the glow plugs and all the glow plugs are good. I did the "hard boot" with the power terminals away from the battery. And I just had the timing belt and rollers replaced before I moved from PA to Albuquerque 1 month ago. I hooked it up to VCDS and the only major system fault is the "intermittent engine disabled by security" how ever the security icon lights solid for power checks then goes out. I even replaced the battery in the key. Upon Can some one please help.
 

Tsmith9233

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Can the ASV be disconnected in the open position and ignored? Mine is a little sticky but I am not in a position( desire) to remove intake. I can operate the valve numerous times but if I really push it far it sticks. This is the first time it has caused the car to not start, but the driver of the car will not tolerate if it becomes regular..thanks
 

2footbraker

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Can the ASV be disconnected in the open position and ignored? Mine is a little sticky but I am not in a position( desire) to remove intake. I can operate the valve numerous times but if I really push it far it sticks. This is the first time it has caused the car to not start, but the driver of the car will not tolerate if it becomes regular..thanks
Yes you can unplug it. But it will trigger a CEL and the car will have rough shut-downs.
 

VWjimmy

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missing ASV? no start

I have a 97 VW Passat TDI, and two weird problems. I am having a hard time getting the car to start, and I'm guessing diesel boogers. Then I realized, A) this engine does not appear to have an ASV, and B) the air intake system seems to run backwards (to the driver's side instead of the passengers?). At least, it appears dissimilar from all the Jetta TDI pics I have seen...? Can a TDI run without an ASV? The intake appears to be backwards--do I have a weird intake thrown on here?

I'm confused, folks. :confused:





 

marius27

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Audi A3 diesel suddenly won't start

Hi,
I own an Audi A3 diesel and suddenly next day won't start. I checked fuel pomp, fuel filter, Anti Shudder Valve (it is open), and voltage on the solenoid (12V). There are no fault codes stored in the ECU.
Can you advise me what to check anymore?
 
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