Occams_Razor
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They look just like the regular power motors. The difference is all internal.stu_TDI130 said:does anyone have any pictures of the motors fitted in the doors?
They look just like the regular power motors. The difference is all internal.stu_TDI130 said:does anyone have any pictures of the motors fitted in the doors?
My question exactly. I have a set of motors from an '04 Passat with the folding option & have pulled one of the controller units off, to see what was involved (and boy, was it easy to do). The only problemn was that I didn't have a motor handy similar to whats on the car to compare it to. Anyone have the answer to this?graeme86 said:By the way, how involved is swapping over the innards of the electric control unit to create a "Frankenmotor"?
Does the black module just get swapped over with the printed circuit in it and is there any soldering involved e.g. to the wires of the actual electric motor part? I assume there must be some sort of connection to the actual motor.
The power folding mirrors fit in the same housings as the power non folding mirrors but they have to be the same type.Zapjackson said:Hmmm...this is interesting....so im assuming that the actual mirror is the same for non-powered mirrors. In this case, there might be a slim chance that I could swap the housings of my lupo mirrors to the housings of the powered mirrors. Or are the power internals too big for stubbies? I dont wanna lose the black stubbies!
DucMike said:Actually meant to say window motors from the Passat. My mirrors were actually born with the adjustment motors installed. The control module seems to come off of the motors intact and I was just wondering if it was a complete transplant or if the board needs to be pulled out of the housing & moved to the new housing.
kennedy said:Since the folding mirrors are controlled by the window motors they have to be replaced. The Jetta motors don't have the proper electronics installed in them. The only difference between standard Jetta motors and Bora motors with folding mirrors is the electronics inside them. I studied the motors for a while and then decided they can't be much different than the Passat window motors. Passats in the US come with an optional "folding mirror with memory" optiion. So...., long story short, I located a pair of used Passat window motors from a 2002 vehicle with folding/memory mirrors from car-part.com... German Bora motors new are about $250 per, I paid $75 for the pair of Passat motors. Turns out the only difference between the Bora and Passat motors is the housing. 2 minutes of dissassembly and the "electronics" can be swapped into your existing Jetta window motor housings creating "frankenmotors" that are identical to Bora folding mirror motors. You just saved well over $400
If I read this correctly, I'm supposed to be making four jumped connections using two repair wires. Now I do understand that each wire has a connector on each end, but that still seems like it's two wires short. Am I missing something else?KENNEDY said:Wiring, easy...
you'll need two 000 979 131 A wires and two scotchlock connectors...
T12 is the mirror harness, T29 is the window motor/controller harness________________
Driver's side: T12/1 to T29/13, T12/3 to T29/9
Passenger's side: T12/1 to T29/16, T12/3 to T29/26
Well I do have power mirrors. The only thing that I lost with the Lupo mirrors is heated mirrors. I chose that option because they were under $200 a pair. So im going to guess that is a no then.Occams_Razor said:The power folding mirrors fit in the same housings as the power non folding mirrors but they have to be the same type.
If you have stubby power non folding mirror you need to get a stubby power folding mirror for the housing to fit.
Kennedy said:Wiring, easy...
you'll need two 000 979 131 A wires and two scotchlock connectors...
T12 is the mirror harness, T29 is the window motor/controller harness________________
Driver's side: T12/1 to T29/13, T12/3 to T29/9
Passenger's side: T12/1 to T29/16, T12/3 to T29/26
Take the scotchlocks and on the mirror harness scotchlock pin 2 and 8 together. Wiring done.
This is the same for all vehicles regardless of year.
Now I am cornfused. Do I need a pair of each, to be connected to one another, ie one half of a 133A to one half of a 131A? I do work at a dealership so I have access to the connectors. I'm just wondering which ones I need to take home with me. The 133A's look wider than the 131A's.Kennedy said:Yep...
That's it.
T12 is the harness at the end of the mirror. T 29 is the harness that plugs into teh mirror motor.
Simply slide the purple retaining plug out on T 29, plug one end of a 000 979 133A wire into the corresponding slot, run it to the male side of T12, open the connector up and plug in the other end. Done.
You need a pair or 131's or 131A's, (the A's are gold plated therefore more expensive. Only real difference).DucMike said:Now I am cornfused. Do I need a pair of each, to be connected to one another, ie one half of a 133A to one half of a 131A? I do work at a dealership so I have access to the connectors. I'm just wondering which ones I need to take home with me. The 133A's look wider than the 131A's.
Ok; now I'm a bit less confused. I did need a total of four of the 131 or 131A wires for this. The only problem was their each being about a mile too long to make the connection. If I was doing this again (and closer to an outlet), I'd shorten the wires by about 6"-8" before installing them. I still need to decide what's best for hooking up the grounds for the folder motors. I may just solder a jumper wire to the connection T12/8 & plug it into the empty T12/2 on the car side of the plug. Of course, none of this works yet, since the window motors I was provided with by a buddy were not actually from a folding-mirror Passat. They figured that if it had the switch, it had the mirrors too. Had to explain the switch supersession issue.DucMike said:Now I am cornfused. Do I need a pair of each, to be connected to one another, ie one half of a 133A to one half of a 131A? I do work at a dealership so I have access to the connectors. I'm just wondering which ones I need to take home with me. The 133A's look wider than the 131A's.
Part number's for the bases;the silver surfer said:Would anyone know the part numbers for 2003 VW Golf RHD?
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Hi all,Kennedy said:
This mod has been documented here before
First, a parts list.
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Newer style mirror control knob with folding mirror control: 1J1 959 565 A
Today I will explore my mirrors to make sure this function is active. If there is no motors - pre owner have replaced the knobgraeme86 said:You must also have the correct motors in the mirror for it to work. (plus the electric window motors as detailed in this thread)
Someone has probably just replaced your switch because it snapped off the knob.
There are only two universal switches available as replacements, so that's probably the one that was supplied.
The motors have limit switches built it. When the flag is in its "home" position to the base this switch is made up. If the flag is bumped out of home the switch opens and the motors will not function. The US Jetta bases (the metal part) do not have a provision for this switch. There seems no real easy way to fab a provision for the switch, but like I said I think I can live with out it. You'll see what I mean when you disassemble the passat mirror. The plastic part from the Jetta does have the little door but it goes to nothing, though I think it will aid in getting the wires back through.There is a microswitch that need to get attached underneath which the stock Jetta housings don't have a provision for. It's critical to the folding operation as the microswitch tells the mirror when to stop folding
Not mine as of late. I'm two wire connections away from finishing my conversion, if you don't count the motor/module units. I have a local yard looking for a set, but no joy so far.thatvan said:Oh and you will also need the passat window motors which have the extra chip on the board. Ebay is your friend!
Yep, it's as though these things have disappeared from the secondary market. Plenty of 98-01 models, nothing after (which I need).DucMike said:Not mine as of late. I'm two wire connections away from finishing my conversion, if you don't count the motor/module units. I have a local yard looking for a set, but no joy so far.![]()
I reckon I made too much out of nothing. I really don't think it will be an issue.Mike Solo said:I see what you're saying. If it becomes an issue, I suppose I'll simply import the Golf mirrors, and use the passat window motors. Frustrating.
Have you guys tried passatworld? Also there was a thread on here abour converting the window motor board using parts from another.DucMike said:Ditto. My local found a later-model W8 4mo (which I would assume should have the feature) but were unable to bid on it. One of these days though. I guess the mirrors themselves, technically, were the tougher parts to source.
The mirrors were VERY difficult to source, hard to find ones w/ memory (folding).DucMike said:Ditto. My local found a later-model W8 4mo (which I would assume should have the feature) but were unable to bid on it. One of these days though. I guess the mirrors themselves, technically, were the tougher parts to source.