Automatic folding mirrors, installed, PICS/MOVIE

[Occams_Razor]

does anyone have any pictures of the motors fitted in the doors?

They look just like the regular power motors. The difference is all internal.

 

[Zapjackson]

Hmmm...this is interesting....so im assuming that the actual mirror is the same for non-powered mirrors. In this case, there might be a slim chance that I could swap the housings of my lupo mirrors to the housings of the powered mirrors. Or are the power internals too big for stubbies? I dont wanna lose the black stubbies!

 

[DucMike]

By the way, how involved is swapping over the innards of the electric control unit to create a "Frankenmotor"?

Does the black module just get swapped over with the printed circuit in it and is there any soldering involved e.g. to the wires of the actual electric motor part? I assume there must be some sort of connection to the actual motor.

My question exactly. I have a set of motors from an '04 Passat with the folding option & have pulled one of the controller units off, to see what was involved (and boy, was it easy to do). The only problemn was that I didn't have a motor handy similar to whats on the car to compare it to. Anyone have the answer to this?

 

[Occams_Razor]

Hmmm...this is interesting....so im assuming that the actual mirror is the same for non-powered mirrors. In this case, there might be a slim chance that I could swap the housings of my lupo mirrors to the housings of the powered mirrors. Or are the power internals too big for stubbies? I dont wanna lose the black stubbies!

The power folding mirrors fit in the same housings as the power non folding mirrors but they have to be the same type.

If you have stubby power non folding mirror you need to get a stubby power folding mirror for the housing to fit.

 

[DucMike]

Actually meant to say window motors from the Passat. My mirrors were actually born with the adjustment motors installed. The control module seems to come off of the motors intact and I was just wondering if it was a complete transplant or if the board needs to be pulled out of the housing & moved to the new housing.

 

[Occams_Razor]

Actually meant to say window motors from the Passat. My mirrors were actually born with the adjustment motors installed. The control module seems to come off of the motors intact and I was just wondering if it was a complete transplant or if the board needs to be pulled out of the housing & moved to the new housing.

Since the folding mirrors are controlled by the window motors they have to be replaced. The Jetta motors don't have the proper electronics installed in them. The only difference between standard Jetta motors and Bora motors with folding mirrors is the electronics inside them. I studied the motors for a while and then decided they can't be much different than the Passat window motors. Passats in the US come with an optional "folding mirror with memory" optiion. So...., long story short, I located a pair of used Passat window motors from a 2002 vehicle with folding/memory mirrors from car-part.com... German Bora motors new are about $250 per, I paid $75 for the pair of Passat motors. Turns out the only difference between the Bora and Passat motors is the housing. 2 minutes of dissassembly and the "electronics" can be swapped into your existing Jetta window motor housings creating "frankenmotors" that are identical to Bora folding mirror motors. You just saved well over $400

 

[DucMike]

I have another question. Just trying to make sure I have all my info & parts lined up before I rip my doors apart.

Wiring, easy...
you'll need two 000 979 131 A wires and two scotchlock connectors...
T12 is the mirror harness, T29 is the window motor/controller harness________________
Driver's side: T12/1 to T29/13, T12/3 to T29/9
Passenger's side: T12/1 to T29/16, T12/3 to T29/26

If I read this correctly, I'm supposed to be making four jumped connections using two repair wires. Now I do understand that each wire has a connector on each end, but that still seems like it's two wires short. Am I missing something else?
(Oh, and I did find another motor to compare to & the modules appear to be identical, so one should be able to be swapped onto the other.)

 

[Zapjackson]

The power folding mirrors fit in the same housings as the power non folding mirrors but they have to be the same type.

If you have stubby power non folding mirror you need to get a stubby power folding mirror for the housing to fit.

Well I do have power mirrors. The only thing that I lost with the Lupo mirrors is heated mirrors. I chose that option because they were under $200 a pair. So im going to guess that is a no then.

 

[DucMike]

Wiring, easy...
you'll need two 000 979 131 A wires and two scotchlock connectors...
T12 is the mirror harness, T29 is the window motor/controller harness________________
Driver's side: T12/1 to T29/13, T12/3 to T29/9
Passenger's side: T12/1 to T29/16, T12/3 to T29/26

Take the scotchlocks and on the mirror harness scotchlock pin 2 and 8 together. Wiring done.
This is the same for all vehicles regardless of year.

Yep...
That's it.
T12 is the harness at the end of the mirror. T 29 is the harness that plugs into teh mirror motor.
Simply slide the purple retaining plug out on T 29, plug one end of a 000 979 133A wire into the corresponding slot, run it to the male side of T12, open the connector up and plug in the other end. Done.

Now I am cornfused. Do I need a pair of each, to be connected to one another, ie one half of a 133A to one half of a 131A? I do work at a dealership so I have access to the connectors. I'm just wondering which ones I need to take home with me. The 133A's look wider than the 131A's.

 

[Occams_Razor]

Now I am cornfused. Do I need a pair of each, to be connected to one another, ie one half of a 133A to one half of a 131A? I do work at a dealership so I have access to the connectors. I'm just wondering which ones I need to take home with me. The 133A's look wider than the 131A's.

You need a pair or 131's or 131A's, (the A's are gold plated therefore more expensive. Only real difference).

Here is my post that gives the wiring for a factory installation, (with memory seats, etc.)

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=1610802&postcount=8

 

[DucMike]

Now I am cornfused. Do I need a pair of each, to be connected to one another, ie one half of a 133A to one half of a 131A? I do work at a dealership so I have access to the connectors. I'm just wondering which ones I need to take home with me. The 133A's look wider than the 131A's.

Ok; now I'm a bit less confused. I did need a total of four of the 131 or 131A wires for this. The only problem was their each being about a mile too long to make the connection. If I was doing this again (and closer to an outlet), I'd shorten the wires by about 6"-8" before installing them. I still need to decide what's best for hooking up the grounds for the folder motors. I may just solder a jumper wire to the connection T12/8 & plug it into the empty T12/2 on the car side of the plug. Of course, none of this works yet, since the window motors I was provided with by a buddy were not actually from a folding-mirror Passat. They figured that if it had the switch, it had the mirrors too. Had to explain the switch supersession issue.
Ah well, the quest continues...

 

[the silver surfer]

Would anyone know the part numbers for 2003 VW Golf RHD?
Cheers

tss

 

[DucMike]

Would anyone know the part numbers for 2003 VW Golf RHD?
Cheers

tss

Part number's for the bases;
Driver's side - 1J2-857-507-E-01C
Offside - 1J2-857-508-E-01C
Power adjust & folding, w/heat. Hope that helps.

 

[riegers]

This mod has been documented here before

First, a parts list.
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Newer style mirror control knob with folding mirror control: 1J1 959 565 A

Hi all,

I'm a new one here so dont be angry for coming long way back to this old theme. I do own Bora TDI and my bora has a control knob (1J1 959 565 A) with a folding mirror function on it, but it does not work... The question is:
does this function realy have to work if it's 1J1 959 565 A knob

Maybe someone have an pdf owner's manual for Jetta/Bora TDI?
Thanks for all answers.

Riegers

 

[graeme86]

You must also have the correct motors in the mirror for it to work. (plus the electric window motors as detailed in this thread)

Someone has probably just replaced your switch because it snapped off the knob.

There are only two universal switches available as replacements, so that's probably the one that was supplied.

 

[riegers]

You must also have the correct motors in the mirror for it to work. (plus the electric window motors as detailed in this thread)

Someone has probably just replaced your switch because it snapped off the knob.

There are only two universal switches available as replacements, so that's probably the one that was supplied.

Today I will explore my mirrors to make sure this function is active. If there is no motors - pre owner have replaced the knob

 

[graeme86]

There would be a microswitch underneath the little cap on the mirror stem base if they are electric folding.

 

[Mike Solo]

Bump. This is potentially a very stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway. Why can't we just use Passat memory mirrors?

I have a pair here that I bought on eBay for $100 USD, they have the motors & microchip on them to control the folding motion. The base is different, but they're identical to the golf folding mirrors (I believe) from the folding joint outward.

So question is, why do we have to import the mirrors from Europe? Couldn't we just swap the area from the spring outward onto the door base? Seems to me the entire thing could be done with domestic parts from a Passat, no?

Maybe I'm missing something obvious...

 

[thatvan]

Mike S

That is something I have been thinking about for a long time. Infact the project is moving to the next stage next week. I have already disassembled the passat mirrors and one jetta manual mirror, found the following issues:

1. as you stated the base is different
2. the jetta base has no provision for the microswitch
3. possibility of plactics not fitting right

On the first issue you need a small file as the passat flag (thats what I'm calling it. the part with the motor) does not sit down all the way on the jetta base. Once you file it a bit it sits down perfectly.

Microswitch issue. Looks to me that the micro is used to stop the mirror from moving if the mirror has been manualy knocked out of it normal position. Like if its been knocked back by someone or something when it was in its non-folded position. Since the switch is made up normaly I plan on just shorting the leads from the switch together. Must be aware of the position of the mirrors prior to folding though as the safety (unit protection if you will) feature is removed. I think overall I can live without this feature.

Plasctic fitment... We will see when I complete.

 

[thatvan]

Oh and you will also need the passat window motors which have the extra chip on the board. Ebay is your friend!

 

[Mike Solo]

But Passat window motors are cheap compared to EU window motors, and can be had domestically! So not an issue there.

Good to know about the filing, that's just fine, not an issue there at all.

As for the Jetta base, I assume you mean on the metal section of the housing? The plastic base *does* have a gap on either side to hold the microswitch, see page 4 of this thread for pictures. Easy thing to disconnect the switch & rewire it in a different place. Not sure I understand you on the knock-back thing though, seems like a non-issue.

Feel free to IM me to discuss any specifics, as we're both doing the same project, essentially. Thanks for your input!

 

[thatvan]

The statement on page 4 I believe is wrong.

There is a microswitch that need to get attached underneath which the stock Jetta housings don't have a provision for. It's critical to the folding operation as the microswitch tells the mirror when to stop folding

The motors have limit switches built it. When the flag is in its "home" position to the base this switch is made up. If the flag is bumped out of home the switch opens and the motors will not function. The US Jetta bases (the metal part) do not have a provision for this switch. There seems no real easy way to fab a provision for the switch, but like I said I think I can live with out it. You'll see what I mean when you disassemble the passat mirror. The plastic part from the Jetta does have the little door but it goes to nothing, though I think it will aid in getting the wires back through.

There are some round metal clips that hold the flag to the base which I used a screwdriver to remove. Then you will need to pull all th wires through the post.

 

[Mike Solo]

I see what you're saying. If it becomes an issue, I suppose I'll simply import the Golf mirrors, and use the passat window motors. Frustrating.

 

[DucMike]

Oh and you will also need the passat window motors which have the extra chip on the board. Ebay is your friend!

Not mine as of late. I'm two wire connections away from finishing my conversion, if you don't count the motor/module units. I have a local yard looking for a set, but no joy so far.

 

[Mike Solo]

Not mine as of late. I'm two wire connections away from finishing my conversion, if you don't count the motor/module units. I have a local yard looking for a set, but no joy so far.

Yep, it's as though these things have disappeared from the secondary market. Plenty of 98-01 models, nothing after (which I need).

 

[DucMike]

Ditto. My local found a later-model W8 4mo (which I would assume should have the feature) but were unable to bid on it. One of these days though. I guess the mirrors themselves, technically, were the tougher parts to source.

 

[thatvan]

I see what you're saying. If it becomes an issue, I suppose I'll simply import the Golf mirrors, and use the passat window motors. Frustrating.

I reckon I made too much out of nothing. I really don't think it will be an issue.

 

[thatvan]

Ditto. My local found a later-model W8 4mo (which I would assume should have the feature) but were unable to bid on it. One of these days though. I guess the mirrors themselves, technically, were the tougher parts to source.

Have you guys tried passatworld? Also there was a thread on here abour converting the window motor board using parts from another.

 

[Mike Solo]

Ditto. My local found a later-model W8 4mo (which I would assume should have the feature) but were unable to bid on it. One of these days though. I guess the mirrors themselves, technically, were the tougher parts to source.

The mirrors were VERY difficult to source, hard to find ones w/ memory (folding).

 

[DucMike]

I managed to find my right-hand one through work (I'm a parts-slinger @ a VW dealer), but I did have to have the g/f pick up the correct left one for me when she was on holiday in Amsterdam. The one I bought off a fellow Vortexer turned out to be a Japanese-spec (rhd) unit. Hell, there are still a few of the right side units floating around various warehouses here. No luck on the left ones though.