Audi A4 2.7Tdi Runs Rough with white smoke. Help!

Peakentropy

New member
Joined
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Location
UK
TDI
Audi A4 2.7 TDI
Hello everyone New member with a seemingly unsolvable problem...

Just recently decided to buy a used Audi A4 2.7 tdi 6 speed manual ( year 2006) with a problem... was a dirt cheap car due to this issue. Seller said "Slight shake at idle and gray smoke the first couple minutes after start". Suspected it will be an injector issue and went to look at the car armed with VCDS. Did a scan and checked the Injector Quantity Deviation values and sure enough Cylinder 2 and 4 were totally out of spec. Bought the car, took it home on a hour long drive. While driving the car would noticeably shake with acceleration under 1500 rpm higher rpm and its fine... was sure its going to be injector swap. Ordered 2 second hand injectors of ebay and installed them to replace Injectors 2 and 4. Coded the new injectors to the ecu all fine. But no change with the issue whatsoever! Injector 2 did actually improve but inj. 4 stayed the same maxed out.
So far I've narrowed it down to cylinder/injector 4, It's always sitting at + 4.99 - 5.09 mlg/str. but here's the problem, even if I take a known good injector from cylinder 2 and swap it out. It's still giving me the same result. Also, while the engine is running, when I unplug any of the injectors it increases the lumpy running, Except injector 4! (Also unplugging other injectors mimics the behavior of injector 4 - sitting at 4.99 mlg/str. and slightly drops when increase in rpm.... though I'm confused how do I still get a reading if the injector is disconnected from the loom??). At first I thought the wiring to the injector is bad. Tested for continuity across, no shorts. tested when running and it's getting the same voltage signal as the rest at 0.07-0.14 volts. And another odd thing which I don't understand is the Cyl. Activation Calibr. Pressure on cylinder 6 being all three numbers 6.0-2.0-6.0 ms and cyl.3 at 0.0-0.0-2.0 ms, what does it mean? So I'm well lost what's going on with this car. Want to save it, nice red Sline.
Any ideas ?

Also have a fault code for all 6 glow plugs, but the car starts with no problem every time even at -3c

And a fault code on Intake Manifold Runner Bank 2but that wouldn't result in such a terrible engine running?

Code:
Sunday,21,March,2021,14:08:47:00009
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 20.4.2.0
Data version: 20200730 DS317.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WAUZZZ8E97A007421   License Plate:
Mileage: 363000km-225557mi   Repair Order:



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Chassis Type: 8E (8E - Audi A4/S4/RS4 B6/B7 (2001 > 2008))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 11 15 16 17 18 25 36 37 45 46 55 56 57 65
          67 69 75 76 77
 
VIN: WAUZZZ8E97A007421   Mileage: 363000km-225557miles
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 059-907-401-BPP.clb
   Part No SW: 8E2 910 401 D    HW: 8E0 907 401 AL
   Component: 2.7L V6TDI   000SG  0050 
   Revision: --H03---    Serial number:               
   Coding: 0011921
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 224B5F8FFDCFF89625-8076

7 Faults Found:
004120 - Intake Manifold Runner (Bank 2)
               P1018 - 001 - Lower limit not reached
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100001
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 5
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 363008 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Torque: 0.0 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Voltage: 12.16 V
                    Duty Cycle: 20.5 %
                    Duty Cycle: 88.8 %
                    Duty Cycle: 20.5 %

005658 - Glowplug for Cylinder 1 (Q10)
               P161A - 001 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100001
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 363008 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 819 /min
                    Torque: 74.1 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Duty Cycle: 1.0 %
                    Voltage: 14.29 V
                    Duty Cycle: 22.9 %
                    Temperature: 48.6°C

005659 - Glowplug for Cylinder 2 (Q11)
               P161B - 001 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100001
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 363008 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 819 /min
                    Torque: 74.1 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Duty Cycle: 1.0 %
                    Voltage: 14.29 V
                    Duty Cycle: 22.9 %
                    Temperature: 48.6°C

005660 - Glowplug for Cylinder 3 (Q12)
               P161C - 001 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100001
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 363008 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 819 /min
                    Torque: 74.1 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Duty Cycle: 1.0 %
                    Voltage: 14.29 V
                    Duty Cycle: 22.9 %
                    Temperature: 48.6°C

005661 - Glowplug for Cylinder 4 (Q13)
               P161D - 001 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100001
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 363008 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 819 /min
                    Torque: 74.1 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Duty Cycle: 1.0 %
                    Voltage: 14.29 V
                    Duty Cycle: 22.9 %
                    Temperature: 48.6°C

005662 - Glowplug for Cylinder 5 (Q15)
               P161E - 001 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100001
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 363008 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 819 /min
                    Torque: 74.1 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Duty Cycle: 1.0 %
                    Voltage: 14.29 V
                    Duty Cycle: 22.9 %
                    Temperature: 48.6°C

005663 - Glowplug for Cylinder 6 (Q15)
               P161F - 001 - Open Circuit
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100001
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 363008 km
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 819 /min
                    Torque: 74.1 Nm
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Duty Cycle: 1.0 %
                    Voltage: 14.29 V
                    Duty Cycle: 22.9 %
                    Temperature: 48.6°C

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 8E0-910-517.clb
   Part No SW: 8E0 910 517 H    HW: 8E0 614 517 BF
   Component: ESP8 FRONT      H06 0140 
   Revision: 00000000    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0004425
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 2C57B1B78F0B3EE69F-8078

1 Fault Found:
01826 - Sensor for Steering Angle (G85); Supply Voltage Terminal 30
            000 - -
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 8
                    Reset counter: 40
                    Time Indication: 0

             Freeze Frame:
                    Hex Value: 0x0000
                    Hex Value: 0x0222
                    Hex Value: 0x0024
                    Hex Value: 0x0195
                    Hex Value: 0x0001


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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 8E0-820-043.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 820 043 BM
   Component:   A4 Klimaautomat   2833 
   Coding: 00000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 
   VCID: 6DD17CB32791F7EEC8-513C

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 8E0-907-279-8EC.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 907 279 N
   Component: int. Lastmodul  ECE 0907 
   Coding: 10001
   Shop #: WSC 06325 
   VCID: 3D718CF33771A76E38-4B18

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 8E0-959-655-94.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 959 655 G    HW: 8E0 959 655 G
   Component:    Airbag 9.41  H12 3730 
   Revision: 91H12373    Serial number: 0036M0G17VWW 
   Coding: 0031612
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 3B7582EB7A65A95E06-806E

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332DRB403320596B

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342DRB403544B2BO

   Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6352ARB40141F7CF.

   Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6362ARB4013593BBQ

   Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 63729RB40149AEA1W

   Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63829RB40149B3C9X

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 8E0-953-549.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 953 549 Q
   Component: Lenksáulenmodul     0601 
   Coding: 04012
   Shop #: WSC 06325 
   VCID: 4189F0034B89C38E5C-4B18

1 Fault Found:
01304 - Radio
            49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8EC.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 920 951 E    HW: 8E0 920 951 E
   Component: KOMBI+WFS 4     H14 0110 
   Revision: 0110        Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0006411
   Shop #: WSC 00388 067 57207
   VCID: 2C57B1B78C0B3EE69F-5178

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8EC.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 920 951 E    HW: 8E0 920 951 E
   Component: KOMBI+WFS 4     H14 0110 
   Revision: 0110        Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0006411
   Shop #: WSC 00388 067 57207
   VCID: 2C57B1B78C0B3EE69F-515A

No fault code found.

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Address 45: Inter. Monitor        Labels: 8E0-951-177.lbl
   Part No: 8E0 951 177
   Component: Innenraumueberw.   0804 
   Coding: 00001
   Shop #: WSC 00000 
   VCID: 6BD572AB1985F9DED6-5178

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 8E0-959-433-MAX.clb
   Part No: 8E0 959 433 CH
   Component: Komfortgerát T3B    4135 
   Coding: 07151
   Shop #: WSC 06325 
   VCID: 79F958E363D95B4E54-4B32

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8E2959802F
   Component: Tõrsteuer.FS BRM 0606 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8E2959801F
   Component: Tõrsteuer.BF BRM 0606 

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 8E0959801E
   Component: Tõrsteuer.HL BRM 0606 

   Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8E0959802E
   Component: Tõrsteuer.HR BRM 0606 

1 Fault Found:
00955 - Key 1
            35-00 - -

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Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: 8E0-919-283-8EC.lbl
   Part No SW: 8E0 919 283 D    HW: 8E0 919 283 D
   Component: Parkhilfe 4-Kan H06 0010 
   Revision: 00H06000    Serial number: 00067802020614
   Coding: 0000114
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 3169A0C3AB29530EAC-5178

No fault code found.

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Address 77: Telephone        Labels: 8P0-862-335.lbl
   Part No SW: 8P0 862 335 H    HW: 8P0 862 335 H
   Component: FSE_255x BT     H21 0290 
   Revision: 00000001    Serial number: 00000000462570
   Coding: 0001622
   Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
   VCID: 3B7582EB7965A95E06-515A

No fault code found.

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Code:
Saturday,20,March,2021,15:16:04:00009
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 20.4.2.0
Data version: 20200730 DS317.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: WAUZZZ8E97A007421   License Plate:


                Address 01: Engine  (8E2 910 401 D)

15:15:45 Group 013: Idle Stabilization Cyl. 1-3 (Injection Quantity Deviation)
  1.13 mg/str  Injection Quantity Deviation Cyl. 1
  -2.68 mg/str  Injection Quantity Deviation Cyl. 2
  0.94 mg/str  Injection Quantity Deviation Cyl. 3
      

15:15:45 Group 014: Idle Stabilization Cyl. 4-6 (Injection Quantity Deviation)
  4.99 mg/str  Injection Quantity Deviation Cyl. 4
  -2.12 mg/str  Injection Quantity Deviation Cyl. 5
  -2.54 mg/str  Injection Quantity Deviation Cyl. 6
 

craigldavis

Veteran Member
Joined
May 21, 2003
TDI
2009 JSW M/T; 2014 Q7
Do the glow plugs on that engine also have cylinder pressure sensors in them?

Any way to be sure injector 4 is getting enough fuel?
 
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Peakentropy

New member
Joined
Mar 21, 2021
Location
UK
TDI
Audi A4 2.7 TDI
Do the glow plugs on that engine also have cylinder pressure sensors in them?

Any way to be sure injector 4 is getting enough fuel?
Not sure, what vcds measuring block that would be?

Fuel is in the rail and in the line to the injector, also the injector itself looks soaked with deasel when removed.
 
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