So I talked with them yesterday, and they said they provide the turbos for GotTuned and the injectors for Xman.
Just wondering if anyone had any info on them.
I’m the one that you accidentally made turbo for dpf and here in the states we don’t have. So at the end of week , early next week when the new turbo shows up.... idc what has been said. I vouch for this guy and his service. To be continued......Hello. We cooperate with very more company. Turbines, injectors and other we have our production.
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All good. As long as you get that turbo out to me in a timely manner you’ve been fair and ok in my book. Honest mistake and your taking care it.Yes we made for you turbo for DPF. Sorry. Today we send to you turbo for normal engine. On Europe your engine have DPF that we send that turbo
160$ cost 4x nozzles + delivery on my site. On site what paste Rrusse11 cost for 4x nozzles and delivery is 250$ by post.
And if kerma tell you to jump from 5ft floor, will you do it? There's lot of EU companies that offer great products on reasonable prices...The guys at Kerma told me to stay clear of them.
Show your proof that the highest prices always leads to highest quality. Show your destructive testing or non-destructive testing. Show where you've used your hardness tester and prove, time and time again (or at least with a 51% certanty) that the products that are in the higher priced parts are superior, AND show that there is a conclusive CAUSATION that these "inferior" parts are the basis for failure. Problem is, you can't. All we can do is speculate (both of us).As customer: Do I want best possible quality and am I willing to pay for it? Or do I want a cheap product and take the higher risk of failure?
Unless you're doing NDT or DT, you can only have good faith that the products that you're offering have only the highest quality materials. Others in the past felt like they were received Rosten branded rods, but in fact were cloned out and installed. MOST of these individuals never had a problem, and never knew there was an issue. Unbeknownst to them, they paid premium price for a "cheaper" product (but it worked). Measurements are very important when it comes to balance, but strength comes from castings and materials used, and how the process was completed. Unless you have that information, or you do NDT or DT, you're praying for the best materials, and charging a premium for it. Hopefully you're getting the best, and not being tricked.As vendor: Do I want to offer the besst posssible product and have less profit and also less returns? Or do I want to offer a cheap product, have way more profit and higher (theoretic) risk of returns?
Made me smile because it's the truth. Someone could blow up their car, and very easily blame someone else for their lack of preparation and doing this the right way, vs the easy way. Someone can cut corners, and then use it to shape their basis of opinion on a product. Many bad things can come from chasing more power. I don't envy vendors, because I'm sure they have to put up with a lot of BS due to this."Theoretic" because of most warranty claims, especially in tuning/motorsports products are neglected to do customer/tuning failures anyway....
As the customer you also needs to decide, "as a financially responsible adult, which makes the most sense." Since we all work hard for our money we need to be fiscally responsible. If spending three times as much for a product that will do what I need it to is the right decision for you, then who am I to argue. If the product that costs 1/3 the price and works, then well, only you can decide.And then as customer I have to ask myself who I want to support.
I don't believe that the turbos we've been discussing are OE replacements, but are rather hybrids of factory turbos. In any case, you don't want a unit to fail ESPECIALLY if someone could potentially is injured. Let's be honest though. When someone puts on a bigger turbo, injectors, "tune," etc they're doing it to go faster. Whether it's acceleration or top speed, on or off road/track, it's what it is for. When does it become the responsibility of the individuals who use the product over those that built it? When it comes to reliability.When you offer OE replacements, you will need to proof somehow that you have sold an OE specified product in case of an damage or in worst case when a failing unit causing an accident with people harmed in it, but thats an different story anyway.
Of course. Dynamic vs static, single vs dual plane, etc, etc. Having quality equipment that is used to balance these turbos is VERY critical. As is quality individuals that know how to use it. Even then, if it's balanced perfectly, with the highest quality equipment it could still fail if that higher priced billet wheel that was branded as made in XXX country, but was instead was made with inferior castings melts and causes an unbalance and fails. We try to plan and mitigate these things from happening. We often do that by getting the highest quality parts.I terms of the workshop equipment, there is quite a difference in quality and precision, so imho it does make a difference if I use a balancing rig which only calculates the high rpm vibrations or if I use a machine which can actually truly MEASURE it....(Just as an example)
There is cheap and then there is inferior. Not knowing the specifics of where these "cheapo" turbos come from, then I'm at a loss as to what to say. I'm sure these individuals have begun to "sing from the rooftops" these vendors that have tricked them into getting inferior parts with fabricated stories and paperwork. Can you tell us who some of these vendors are? Can you show us some threads on where they had their problems? Can you tell us more specifics on the "defective housings"? Pics, anything else? If you're getting 3-4 a month, then that's 36-48 a year, surely you have pictures of inferior bushings, shafts, turbines, etc that can be proof-positive that Xman and PowerTDI both have inferior products, as it seems like you're alluding to.The only thing I can tell you is, that even here in my tiny little 1 man turbo shop I get about 3-4 "cheapo" turbos for request of repair (which I dont do) which show inferior quality every month. Re-used defective housings, "balancing" sheets which are just a replicated copy, fake warranty certificates and so on.
We're not on missions, but rather having a discussion on what we think and feel. I agree with some of your thoughts, and I believe you agree with some of mine. My mind is very analytical. I dissect each part of a conversation to try and see where others are coming from, and to have a counter-point to each idea. That is unless I completely agree.Don't get me wrong, the times where I thought I need to go on a "mission" on the interwebs is long gone.
In some circumstances I agree. I know a guy that paid $500 USD for a wallet while in the Kingdom of Bahrain. While I personally don't see the need for a wallet that expensive, especially because all it is is a name brand wallet, but others might disagree. This of course is an extreme example, but to further speak my point, I don't believe that a $50 wallet is any different than my $25 that I've had for the past 5 years or so.There is a supplier for every demand, and I still think that "You get what you pay for" is valid.
I agree that OE is normally the best route for quality parts. These parts, in my opinion, are often the best (especially when they've gone through 10 versions to upgrade the original) but are also more expensive. For example looking up the original turbo for my car, through VW, it's $1553.04 for an OE VNT15 turbo. While I know it's better it sill carries a 1 year warranty, the same as other vendors that are not OE.To avoid using low quality or inferior parts there is still the option to go with OE suppliers and keep the list of suppliers short.
The benefit is, that OE suppliers have to do all the testing and proof, without this done, they would not receive their certificates and would no longer be OE suppliers.
Cheap aftermarket suppliers have none of this.
This is where things may be different between Austria and the United States. I've had my head in enough law books, international code, CFRs, etc, to know the reality of suing a large company in China or the United States (even VW) is a lose-lose situation. Firstly because unlike them, we don't have unlimited funds, secondly as opposed to based on the preponderance of the evidence, beyond a reasonable doubt is a much greater hurdle to jump. Maybe in Austria it's easier just to walk down and sue a corporation, but here it's much more difficult.And to be honest: Would you want to start an lawsuit with some factory in China in case of an serious issue? They would not care at all probably....
Again, this must be different between our countries. Hell, you can buy a new car, have a history of a particular failure or code, and it's like pulling teeth to have the dealership and the manufacturer to agree that it's a lack of craftsmanship. We do have Federal Organizations that help the consumer with recalls, but they can only do so much. A good example that comes to my head is the Toyota Tundra. In between the valve cover and the cam cage it develops a leak. Not all of them do, but enough that a group of individuals experience the same situation. Nothing is done. Instead your options are to either do it yourself or pay a crazy amount of money for the dealership to do it (unless you can find a reputable shop to do it).Like written above, warranty stuff and so on is not applicable in tuning/motorsports anyway, its an optional thing from the vendor, and therefor can be stretched/denied as the vendor wishes. (More or less)
But in OE applications for street legal use, we in Austria have a warranty period by law, and in case of an failing part causing an serious accident or further defects on the car, as supplier you have to proof that you provided OE quality or above. (Thats why it is easiest and safest way to stick with OE suppliers and avoid selling cheapo stuff from 3rd party aftermarket suppliers with 0 certificates)
I can understand that point. Don't get into trouble, if that would occur.On my FB page you find some of the pictures of bad examples, but you must understand that there will be no "Name and shame" going on, simply because this will get me into trouble with the suppliers denying this **** came from their company.
Again, no worries. All I'm looking for is proof that XXX vendor provided customer XXX with XXX part and it failed because of XXX. It's very easy for me to assume that it's a simple case, but I'm not a vendor, so I don't know.Also please understand that I don't always have the chance to take pictures of every bad part I get in my hands because sometimes the customer is with me and does not wan't it to be posted up, and sometimes I simply don't have the time or clean hands to take pictures.
Hell, again this is where we differ as countries and their citizens. I'm sitting here singing the praises of companies, that others might find inferior. If my engine blows up, trust me when I say I'll be ashamed, if it was due to a part that I should've spent XXX instead of being cheap. But believe you me, I'm going to sing from the roof tops, in the way that others have, so that people learn from my mistakes. That said, for every failure that we hear about, there are untold numbers of success stories that people don't go around bragging about. It's in our nature to talk negatively about our experience over talking positively. For these forums and FB groups to work (as I believe they should), then we need to talk about these things. In the same way we should help individuals when they have problems, we should talk about experiences with different vendors and their products.One more thing to consider when making decisions:
Very often poeple who had bad experience with a cheap suplier will not make a big shout out on it, firstly because some may be ashamed that they fell into this trick, some fear a fight with the supplier (see above) and some just dont care and go a different route afterwards.
Thank you for sharing your experiences Majesty78.This is my experience of the last 10 years, it does not refer to the company named in the OP, but in general.
And it gets worse the more suppliers of cheap turbos flood the market.
Hello, I am interested on the GTD2060VZ it says it is a ball bearing turbo, but as far as I know it is not a ceramic ball bearing. ThanksHello. We cooperate with very more company. Turbines, injectors and other we have our production. We don't send turbo to gottuned
My site http://powertdi.pl. on ebay https://ebay.pl/itm/Turbo-GTB2060vklr-para-1-9-TDI-y-2-0-TDI-para-300-HP/264228520291