Any remorse given current HPFP investigation?

[Ellwood]

I am glad it was "blown out of proportion". That is the only recourse when corporate policy is to lie and deny to the bitter end. The infamy will serve our interests now and VW will do what it should have been doing all along. If we had been satisfied to follow the initial advice of using B5 and adding lubricity, we may have found ourselves beyond the warranty period and up the $10,000.00 creek without a paddle. Resting easier now.

 

[picard]

Nope. I worry more about my stupid center arm rest stuck in the up position.

Bill

+1

 

[dubStrom]

I won't have a JSW/TDI until later this month but don't see the issue as a problem. At least VW isn't going bankrupt anytime soon and will do the right thing and fix the cars. Every make will invariably have a rotten dealer or twenty, VW is not the exception.

With that, I know there is one TDI members here that had a Saturn VUE with a CVT tranny. GM left those tens of thousands of owners stranded when they went bankrupt and the trannies died. VW is healthy and making money, they will stand behind their product even if it takes NHTSA to keep them honest.

Am glad my car will be a 2011 though, it was delivered to the port 6 days ago, so it should have a very late 2010 MFG date at the latest.

GREAT CHOICE! You will love it. I agree with those stating this is no longer anything to be concerned about... However, I will look into the dates of these different versions of the pump and the installation date changes to see exactly which one I got. I have years to wait until out of warantee anyway.

If I have any doubts after 60,000 miles, I will go ahead and buy the toughest new pump available and install it myself. That will buy another 100,000 or more miles. In fact, if the problem is gone in the 2011 models, we'll see that evidence here. Meantime, Optilube XPD or or PS white when it's cold. If I have any trouble, I have a feeling that I will need a sensor or some other electronic device/module before anything else. These new CR engines are packed with them. Variable vane turbo controller, DPF regen stuff. The key will be learning how to interpret VAG-COM info!

 

[fuzzybandito]

I've got a JSW on the production line slated for an april delivery. I knew about all this HPFP and IC going in, but it seems like it's a lot of noise over something not that widespread. I'll admit it gave me pause in the beginning, but just thinking over the pro's and con's of what VW brings to the table with the TDI engine, the driving experience and functionality just wins out.

It's been repeated so many times, but stands to repeated again: Drive more, worry less

Can't wait until my jsw comes!

 

[l3it3r]

investigation is a good thing, love my JSW TDI. Just rolled over 49k miles

 

[Derrel H Green]

Unbelieveable



820 miles on one tank, and with a DSG. I don't think so!

And those big wheels to boot! No way Jose.



D

 

[Ryephile]

...has your opinion of the HPFP failure changed?

Nope. Running B5 and/or Opti-lube XPD IMO is the best preventative care. The big media exposure does pressure VW into fixing broken parts regardless of fault, which just might force VW to have better customer service and/or design more robust parts.

 

[MayorDJQ]

820 miles on one tank, and with a DSG. I don't think so!
And those big wheels to boot! No way Jose.

D

I'm a little skeptical about that myself. That's 58+mpg.....maybe if you travelled 50-55mph the whole time, no A/C.

I got one tank of just over 600 miles on my way to Fest '10 while driving from Cleveland to Omaha. I did 72mph on that tank w/ no A/C.

 

[CDG]

no remorse. As many have said, the more exposure, the better.

 

[Derrel H Green]

Impossibe Because . .

I'm a little skeptical about that myself. That's 58+mpg . . .
maybe if you traveled 50-55 mph the whole time, no A/C.
I got one tank of just over 600 miles on my way to Fest '10 while driving
from Cleveland to Omaha. I did 72 mph on that tank w/ no A/C.

Given that you have a lighter vehicle and most importantly, a 6 MT, you could
indeed do that if you had the discipline to hold your speed that low, but . .

This poster does not have a Golf.
This poster does not have a 6 MT.
This poster does have a '10 TDI Sportwagen with a DSG and 17 inch Goal wheels (!), a
vehicle which I am more than familiar, and I say what he has posted is indeed impossible!



D

 

[2X TDI]

This poster does have '10 TDI Sportwagen with a DSG, a vehicle I am more
than familiar with, and I say what he has posted is indeed impossible!

D

Not impossible...if you were going down hill and down wind for the majority of the trip, I could see it!

 

[Derrel H Green]

Impossible F E

Not impossible...if you were going down hill and down wind for the majority of the trip, I could see it!

It is impossible! Why you ask?

In the first place, where in this United States can anyone travel downhill for most of 820 miles?

Because he is saying he got 820 miles from a single tank.
That means he's probably making several shorter trips meaning that there are some cold starts involved.

In one of his posts, he eludes to the fact that he uses 'S' a lot. That use of 'S' really kills F E.

I have the same vehicle minus those fuel robbing 17 inch wheels.
Mine has GY LRR Fuel Max tires, and I drive like an old man because I am!

Most here with these late hotrod CR TDIs do not have the
self discipline to drive at the lower speeds I will drive.
Check out my Fuelly. My best F E has been 50.22 MPG on one tank of
731 miles. He's stating 820 miles on one tank which is and extra 89 miles.
I could duplicate that, but I have those taller LRR tires which not only gives me that advantage,
but I do not have his disadvantage of those Goal 17 inch wheels which really kill F E.



D

 

[MayorDJQ]

Given that you have a lighter vehicle and most importantly, a 6 MT, you could
indeed do that if you had the discipline to hold your speed that low, but . .
This poster does not have a Golf.
This poster does not have a 6 MT.
This poster does have a '10 TDI Sportwagen with a DSG and 17 inch Goal wheels (!), a
vehicle which I am more than familiar, and I say what he has posted is indeed impossible!

D

I did the 600+ tank in my '09 Jetta 6M.

 

[CedarPark68]

820 miles on one tank, and with a DSG. I don't think so!
And those big wheels to boot! No way Jose.

D

What is the height ratio he is running? If he did a normal set up, then his overall diameter would be almost stock.

These days the stock 205 55 16 looks like a big FAT tire... not the greatest looking.

A 17 in a 50 series would hardly change if at all. Plus if the rims are lighter... another whole topic to itself.

 

[2X TDI]

It is impossible! Why you ask?
In the first place, where in this United States can anyone travel downhill for most of 820 miles?

D

You clearly missed the sarcasm. Of course you can't go downhill and downwind for 820 miles...that was the point! Lots of nice points though...you didn't need to make any of them, but they were nice nonetheless.

 

[MayorDJQ]

You clearly missed the sarcasm. Of course you can't go downhill and downwind for 820 miles...that was the point! Lots of nice points though...you didn't need to make any of them, but they were nice nonetheless.

Actually.....if one were to drive from Evanston, WY to Omaha, NE you'd go from ~6,800ft to ~1,100ft over the course of ~850 miles.

 

[tdi90hp]

back on topic....any regrets?? nope....

mountain=molehill.....vw knows ...nhtsa knows....the press knows...most are new diesel drivers that made a mistake(easy to do)....put in RUG instead of diesel....

my new tdi is gonna have a long nice life....

mountain....molehill

 

[Derrel H Green]

Corrections

What is the height ratio he is running?
If he did a normal set up, then his overall diameter would be almost stock.
These days, the stock 205 55 16 looks like a big FAT tire . . . not the greatest looking. [IYHO]
A 17 in a 50 series would hardly change if at all.
Plus if the rims are lighter . . . another whole topic to itself.

I see by your questions you don't have a clue.

He is most likely running the factory optional Goal wheels
which come from the factory with 225/45 ratio 17s.

These 225/45-17 size turns approximately 837 revs per mile, whereas
the stock 205/55-16s turn 837 which is essentially the same.

Even the factory optional 235/40-18s (Karthoum wheels at $2199 extra) turn
slightly less at 839 revs per mile, so all the factory wheeels and tires including
the options all turn approximately the same revolutions per mile.
That little difference is not what cost any person fule economy.

FYI, the factory option 17 inch wheels (Goals) are not lighter than the stock Bioline 16 inch wheels.

FWIW, there were no option 50 series tires sold new on any CR Jetta or Gold TDIs.



D

 

[fastalan]

I did the 600+ tank in my '09 Jetta 6M.

The best I've done is 1150km (690miles) on one tank (almost dry) from Calgary AB to Vancouver BC. Mind you this section is mostly down hill but I also did a lot of sight seeing in between.

800 miles on one tank is probably possible but only with certain fixed an favorable conditions like:

a) slightly taller tire
b) low rolling resistant tire
c) insane tire pressure
d) lower speed probably 5th gear all the way in the 1500-1800rpm range
e) coast in top gear during downhill
f) following a semi closely for extended period
g) pre-warm the coolant before each cold start

What a torture this kind of trip would be....

 

[IceRaider360]

I'm not worried at all with my 2011 Golf TDI, its nice to see some numbers and further investigation, but from what I read Canadians have more consistent fuel quality compared to our southern neighbors still wish it was European standards though.

 

[Scratcher]

Nope. Running B5 and/or Opti-lube XPD IMO is the best preventative care. .

Yep..............Been doing that from the very first tank!

 

[thebigarniedog]

It is impossible! Why you ask?

In the first place, where in this United States can anyone travel downhill for most of 820 miles? .....

I take it that you never drove to Cleveland before then?

 

[Derrel H Green]

Joking

I take it that you never drove to Cleveland before then?

Do you mean to imply that anyone traveling to Cleveland is going 'down hill'?

If so, you cannot prove that by me, as I have never had the pleasure of being there!



D

 

[Lightflyer1]

The best I've done is 1150km (690miles) on one tank (almost dry) from Calgary AB to Vancouver BC. Mind you this section is mostly down hill but I also did a lot of sight seeing in between.

800 miles on one tank is probably possible but only with certain fixed an favorable conditions like:

a) slightly taller tire
b) low rolling resistant tire
c) insane tire pressure
d) lower speed probably 5th gear all the way in the 1500-1800rpm range
e) coast in top gear during downhill
f) following a semi closely for extended period
g) pre-warm the coolant before each cold start

What a torture this kind of trip would be....

I would bet you that none of that is required except for "d" and a fairly flat piece of lonely Interstate for 400 miles (IH10 in West Texas). If you don't get run over I bet you could make it. I did "once" in my 06. Cruise control all the way out and back, nonstop. It wasn't very pleasant either, but it proved a point.

 

[Derrel H Green]

Apples to Oranges

The best I've done is 1150km (690miles) on one tank (almost dry) from Calgary AB to Vancouver BC. Mind you this section is mostly down hill but I also did a lot of sight
seeing in between.

800 miles on one tank is probably possible but only with
certain fixed an favorable conditions like:

a) slightly taller tire
b) low rolling resistant tire
c) insane tire pressure
d) lower speed probably 5th gear all the way in the 1500-1800rpm range
e) coast in top gear during downhill
f) following a semi closely for extended period
g) pre-warm the coolant before each cold start

What a torture this kind of trip would be....

First off, let us compare the same vehicles with the same transmissions.

You have manual 6MT and I have a DSG. Big differnces when it comes to F E!

Had I had your 6MT for the same period with my GYs, I could have maybe made 800 miles,
maybe. I don't know how much better the higher geared late 6 Mts will do F E wise?

To go 800 miles with that set up. you would have to average 55 mpg!

I do have LRR tires and they are indeed taller. 205/65-16s.

I do air them up, but how much difference that makes is debateable.

I did not do any drafting of other vehicles.

Around here, we not only have downhill areas, but we also have to climb
areas also to get back up here, as in roundtrips when returning home.

There is no pre-warming needed in this area, especially in the summertime.

My best tank of 731 miles was done over a nine day period, with mostly,
but not all, freeway driving. I did get into one stop-and-go traffic jam
that lasted for thirty minutes in which I covered only 1/2 mile.

Tank mileage was 50.222 MPG. I used 14.555 gallons.
That tank was for a nine day period, so there were indeed several cold starts.
It was really nice warm weather during this period, with most day temperatures
in the eighties and nineties, which our CR TDIs simply love.
Filled at the same pump at the same station with the vehicle in
the same position; As accurate as I know how to make it!

Your vehicle, being a later 6 MT should do better because of your much taller gearing!

View my Fuelly for 10-18-10.



D

 

[MayorDJQ]

g) pre-warm the coolant before each cold start

Pre-warming the coolant will only help so much. The ECU does a post-injection to help warm up the DPF during startups. Plus, you'll still have a cold transmission, manual or automatic, that needs to warm up.

 

[nicklockard]

What? You actually expect people on a car nut forum to admit their car is anything less than perfect? That it can catastrophically fail to the tune of $10,000 unwarranted repairs completely out of the blue through no cause of yours? That it requires special additives and seeking out (regionally) hard-to-find biodiesel just to have a bit *more, but never full* peace of mind? To admit that not only is the VWOA dealership network unbelievably criminal, but not even VWAG cares much about said catastrophic failure, except to secretly try to fix it, without telling affected owners anything, and refusing to stand by their mal-engineered products?


LOL. That's crazy!!

 

[zhp43867]

What? You actually expect people on a car nut forum to admit their car is anything less than perfect? That it can catastrophically fail to the tune of $10,000 unwarranted repairs completely out of the blue through no cause of yours? That it requires special additives and seeking out (regionally) hard-to-find biodiesel just to have a bit *more, but never full* peace of mind? To admit that not only is the VWOA dealership network unbelievably criminal, but not even VWAG cares much about said catastrophic failure, except to secretly try to fix it, without telling affected owners anything, and refusing to stand by their mal-engineered products?
LOL. That's crazy!!

 

[El Dobro]

I've regretted buying my car, and that was before the HPFP stuff popped up on the radar. It's been back to the dealer more than any car I've ever owned for BS and everytime, it's been a fight to have things repaired. I've even had VAG in the Fatherland involved. I'm still waiting for VW to fix the DSG. Sensors, wiring harnesses, ignition switch, hood insulator, etc. have been replaced. Even the inside rear view mirror broke! Now we have to worry about the intercoolers clogging up. The HPFP is just icing on the cake.

 

[Scratcher]

I've regretted buying my car, and that was before the HPFP stuff popped up on the radar. It's been back to the dealer more than any car I've ever owned for BS and everytime, it's been a fight to have things repaired. I've even had VAG in the Fatherland involved. I'm still waiting for VW to fix the DSG. Sensors, wiring harnesses, ignition switch, hood insulator, etc. have been replaced. Even the inside rear view mirror broke! Now we have to worry about the intercoolers clogging up. The HPFP is just icing on the cake.

Sounds like a lemon