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993er

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FWIW, some of Amsoil's oils are API, BMW, and MB official. Some are not.
And I bet some that are recommended, are due to incentives by oil companies in the way of factory fills, etc. Sure, a manufacturers is going to pick an oil producer with a good reputation, but there are plenty already out there to pick from.
 

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I sure hope aliens do not monitor the internet, because if they do, they'll know how incredibly stupid the human race is.
More likely to monitor radio and television. Has the same amount of idiocracy.
 

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More likely to monitor radio and television. Has the same amount of idiocracy.
I coined the phrase "mindless crap for the mindless masses" based on the TV shows I channel flick through.

I just dropped cable TV and am going with over-the-air free TV. I don't need a kazillion channels of garbage...just a few good ones, so I might as well not pay for any of them.

I get more enjoyment and information (provided I get it off sites like Bosch, Beru, etc) off the internet.
 
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Well I am done trying to help and I get nothing from my Co other than direct sales. I was one of those that Did not believe in all the hype I found out it was not hype I just want to Share.
Sorry I could not do that.
 

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Well I am done trying to help and I get nothing from my Co other than direct sales. I was one of those that Did not believe in all the hype I found out it was not hype I just want to Share.
Sorry I could not do that.
Relax, I have a few bottles of Amsoil in the basement for my motorcycle. ;)
 

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Well I am done trying to help and I get nothing from my Co other than direct sales. I was one of those that Did not believe in all the hype I found out it was not hype I just want to Share.
Sorry I could not do that.
Run Amsoil in all of my vehicles. LOW SAPS in the tdi, until I get a chance to install the exhaust.
 

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I've used Amsoil, not terribly happy with the results.

Luckily I've never had to make a warranty claim with them:



United States Federal Court of Appeals, Eighth Circuit:

PER CURIAM.

Amsoil, Inc., a manufacturer and distributer of synthetic oil, was sued for negligence and breach of warranty in the Eastern District of Arkansas by Allen Engineering Corporation.

Allen used Amsoil’s synthetic oil as a lubricant in gearboxes it produced. Allen claimed the synthetic oil caused property damage to the gear boxes, resulting in financial harm incurred by Allen when it replaced the defective gear boxes, recalled all gear boxes with Amsoil oil and replaced the oil, and as a result, lost profits and market share.

The two parties settled: Amsoil agreed to pay Allen $1.5 million.


Before MORRIS SHEPPARD ARNOLD, FAGG, and MELLOY, Circuit Judges

A true copy.
Attest:
CLERK, U.S. COURT OF APPEALS, EIGHTH CIRCUIT
I doubt the average consumer could muster up the legal talent to pursue a claim like Allen Engineering was able to fund.
 
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I've used Amsoil, not terribly happy with the results.

Luckily I've never had to make a warranty claim with them:



I doubt the average consumer could muster up the legal talent to pursue a claim like Allen Engineering was able to fund.
I have seen this and it was the dealer not researching what product to use they used the wrong product resulting in failure.
 
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Would that not have come up in the court case unless Amsoil's lawyers are not that clued in?
I just know this was brought to my attention and I inquired about it and I was given the why. All I know is AMSOIL did pay. This was a big Co. and the damages were a lot that is why it went to court.




I have been told that back in the 80’s a claim was made because an engine failed because the customer did not check the fluid level and it had no oil in the crank case. They paid because of the wording that wording has been changed.
If that happened today the dealer would be the one responsible for the cost.
 
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There's federal case law that quite clearly states that dealers are not agents of the manufacturer - as such dealers are unable to harm manufacturer's in any way. So no, it is not possible that the dealer made the error. There is no liability on Amsoil's side for dealer error. None.

It was a bad product that Amsoil refused to stand behind - exactly as the case states.


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just to let you all know I read a comparison of oils by an engineer who called the aimsoil 5w-30 for pre 2007 vehicles the best diesel oil he tested. a lot of the oils others crow about on this site didn't fare well.
 

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just to let you all know I read a comparison of oils by an engineer who called the aimsoil 5w-30 for pre 2007 vehicles the best diesel oil he tested. a lot of the oils others crow about on this site didn't fare well.
It would be nice to have a link so that we can read it as well. :(

Bill
 

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just to let you all know I read a comparison of oils by an engineer who called the aimsoil 5w-30 for pre 2007 vehicles the best diesel oil he tested. a lot of the oils others crow about on this site didn't fare well.
Interesting, since most pre-2007 TDIs spec 5w40, and a lot of folks here attribute premature camshaft wear on 2004-2006 TDIs on using 5w30 instead of 5w40.
 

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Bob_Fout

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Just curious Bob which 5W30 507.00 oil would properly protect the cam of a PD engine such as the 2004/5 Passat (BHW)?

Anybody brave enough to have used it in a PD TDI?
Several have used 507.00 in PD TDIs, Scurvy is one of them [2004 BEW TDI]. His cam was still fine, but I'll have to check how long he used it for.

In theory, any 507.00 oil would protect it. There may be some specifics about the BHW that make it different from the BEW/BRM though.
 

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Several have used 507.00 in PD TDIs, Scurvy is one of them [2004 BEW TDI]. His cam was still fine, but I'll have to check how long he used it for.

In theory, any 507.00 oil would protect it. There may be some specifics about the BHW that make it different from the BEW/BRM though.
Correct. The BHW is the most troublesome in terms of the cam. I am curious, are all 507 oils including the one(s) from Amsoil with an HSHT of 3.5? Is there any one with an HSHT higher than 3.5?
 

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Correct. The BHW is the most troublesome in terms of the cam. I am curious, are all 507 oils including the one(s) from Amsoil with an HSHT of 3.5? Is there any one with an HSHT higher than 3.5?
Very few 507.00 oils [or any oils, for that matter] have published HTHS values. Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 is listed at 3.58 cP, Amsoil's previous flavor of low-SAPS Euro 5w30 was 3.7 cP, now it's 3.6 cP. By specification, all 507.00 oils [because of the base ACEA criteria] are to be greater than or equal to 3.5 cP.
 

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We can't lump all 5w30s together. 507.00 oils are doing well in PDs and VEs. I think it's only the 505.01 5w30s that have issues.

507.00 has been designed to account for unit injector wear [page 14]

http://www.oil-club.ru/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_id=19648
Good read. It seems that the PD engine that the PDF refers to has a roller follower design according to the illustration and the cam lobe shape. It's a shame that they didn't list the engine code. I'm intrigued by this because as I've mentioned before, I would love to be able to use a high viscosity index 5W30 in my BRM if I knew it wouldn't be a step down from T6 (or any other comparable CJ-4 oil) in terms of protection. Based on your recommendation and other reading I've done I'm learning that 507.00 is not comparable to the previous 505.00/505.01 oil spec. I just hope that VW had flat tappet PD engines in mind.
 
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Good read. It seems that the PD engine that the PDF refers to has a roller follower design according to the illustration and the cam lobe shape. It's a shame that they didn't list the engine code. I'm intrigued by this because as I've mentioned before, I would love to be able to use a high viscosity index 5W30 in my BRM if I knew it wouldn't be a step down from T6 (or any other comparable CJ-4 oil) in terms of protection. Based on your recommendation and other reading I've done I'm learning that 507.00 is not comparable to the previous 505.00/505.01 oil spec. I just hope that VW had flat tappet PD engines in mind.
What would the benefit be for you of using a 507.00 oil vs. the several good 5w40s (CJ-4 and 505.01)?
 

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What would the benefit be for you of using a 507.00 oil vs. the several good 5w40s (CJ-4 and 505.01)?
I would take any edge in fuel economy possible. If 507.00 is good for other PD's then it stands to reason it's good for mine no?
 

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I would take any edge in fuel economy possible. If 507.00 is good for other PD's then it stands to reason it's good for mine no?
You could get more fuel savings just slowing down 5 MPH. I also don't think in your climate it really matters any measurable amount 5w30 vs. 5w40.
 

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It wouldn't hurt then, correct?
Not enough people have used it to make a reasonable guess. Some PD owners in North America have used 507.00 oils. Many have used appropriate 5w40s. Will it hurt? We don't know.

Let's look at fuel savings vs. oil cost (guestimate numbers, but you can calculate for your driving situation). Diesel is about $2.70/gallon there. 12 gallons is about $32.00. 1% fuel savings (being very generous for your climate) is $0.30 per tank. 24 tanks of fuel per year, that's $7.20 saved per year at 12,000 miles a year, or $15 saved per year at 24,000 miles per year. That's as close to zero as you can get... and doesn't factor in additional oil cost vs. a correct 5w40.
 

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In winter months the tread-off could be less wear with a 507 5W-30 oil (vs 5W-40 HDEO) as it would get quicker throughout the engine during the critical start of the engine.
 

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In winter months the tread-off could be less wear with a 507 5W-30 oil (vs 5W-40 HDEO) as it would get quicker throughout the engine during the critical start of the engine.
Why would you assume that 5W-30 is somehow lighter at cold temperatures than 5W-40? The 5W is the cold viscosity. The 30/40 are the hot viscosities. The cold viscosities look the same to me.
 
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