Am I a member of the club everyone loves to hate?

[NovaMoto]

000401 - Fuel Pressure Sensor (G247)
P0191 - 000 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

000135 - Fuel Rail/System Pressure
P0087 - 001 - Too Low

120k km, meticulously maintained w/stanadyne since day one. The only fuel burned was Irving except this last tank of v-power from a Shell in the Annapolis Valley here in NS. I think I may call that Shell & see if there were any other complaints.

I'm awaiting word from the dealer on the fate of my car. If it's a 6k bill I think I will part the car out. I'm done.

 

[TDI smile]

The cheap SHELL Diesel does not work for me... Feels like the Motormounts are shot... Right now I fill up with CHEVRON, since it is the cheapest here in the area....still a Dollar and .349

 

[ksing44]

That's a terribly sad story. I'm so sorry! Good luck!

 

[Cogen Man]

That suck man. By the looks of those DTC's it's not good as per the HPFP. I wish you luck.

 

[PlaneCrazy]

Are you still within the bumper-to-bumper warranty? If not you're SOL, VW won't cover the HPFP in Canada outside the warranty. If you're lucky you might get them to partially cover it (in my case 2/3 of the cost on a reman HPFP, but I paid more to opt for a brand new pump). Man $6k is two years of lease payments on a sh!tbox or one year on a pretty good car...

 

[NovaMoto]

No warranty. If it's the HPFP and the entire fuel system needs replacement, I'll voice my concern via megaphone out front of my dealer day-in, day-out until VW steps up & rights the wrong.

 

[b1jackson]

Keep us posted. I have used Irving diesel in ours from day 1 and additive regularly. Approaching 68,000 Kms.

 

[steve05ram360]

000401 - Fuel Pressure Sensor (G247)
P0191 - 000 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

000135 - Fuel Rail/System Pressure
P0087 - 001 - Too Low

120k km, meticulously maintained w/stanadyne since day one. The only fuel burned was Irving except this last tank of v-power from a Shell in the Annapolis Valley here in NS. I think I may call that Shell & see if there were any other complaints.

I'm awaiting word from the dealer on the fate of my car. If it's a 6k bill I think I will part the car out. I'm done.

Sorry to hear this... hopefully it is a shell problem and they will cover it if VW doesnt.

Can you tell us which Stanadyne you used? (Performance or Lubricity)?

Also, does day 1 = 0KM or did you buy used?

 

[NovaMoto]

I've used the performance formula, Steve. I bought it new in Oct '10.

 

[steve05ram360]

I've used the performance formula, Steve. I bought it new in Oct '10.

OK thanks... wanted to see how it stacked up in this study. Thanks

http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/a...tives-study-done-diesel-place.html#post937240

 

[NovaMoto]

So they said the lift pump in the tank was dead. Removed the seat, tapped the pump and it started working. They primed the system and cranked the car. Said it was running like crap & shut it down. They then popped the top off the HPFP & saw what you see below. I surmise the dead lift pump starved the HPFP and that's all she wrote.

Cost to repair is 13,250 CAD or so. That's over 8000 in parts plus a couple days labor.

I'm weighing my options but will likely part-out my beloved TDI

 

[steve05ram360]

Sorry to hear that... is it possible the pump blew & the debris was preventing the in-tank pump from working?

What about sourcing parts from a wrecking yard?

 

[PlaneCrazy]

Sorry to hear that... is it possible the pump blew & the debris was preventing the in-tank pump from working?

What about sourcing parts from a wrecking yard?

Or find a wrecked 2.5 and swap out the engine, gearbox and fuel system? The 2.5 may be a tractor motor, and get so-so fuel economy but it doesn't have an HPFP to poop out, an intercooler to ice up, a DPF to clog or an exhaust flap to malfunction.

With a 2.5 in a Golf Wagon loaner I had, automatic, I managed to get about 6.5 L/100 km on the highway.

Also have you considered your insurance? Anyway you can get a fuel sample to a lab? If it's contaminated or has under-spec lubricity, maybe you, or your insurance company, can go after Shell to pick up the tab.

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

Did the dealer tell you that the failed lift pump may have starved the HPFP? If so, I wonder how difficult it is to tell when a lift pump quits. It would argue for the car not being able to run without the lift pump. Not ideal, but better than killing the HPFP.

 

[b1jackson]

Are you still thinking its possible that it's bad fuel?

 

[wackypete]

NovaMoto, you didn't explicitly say, but has the dealer refused to cover this repair (I realize you are outside of the warranty period)? A $13,000 repair bill is insane!

 

[NovaMoto]

The dealer won't touch the car. VW Canada won't touch the car.

 

[b1jackson]

 

[Sharp_Cheddar]

I really wish VW of Canada would treat these HPFP failures differently, as I'm sure the OP does as well. I may have missed it, but what's their reasoning for not doing what VW is doing in the states and covering practically every repair?

 

[MontrealTDI]

Have a higher market share (3.5 vs 2.5 % approx) in Canada and don`t have to care as much?

 

[TDIAustin]

I would imagine the dealer is also pointing at the Malone 1.5 tune as a potential culprit, negating any help they might "otherwise provide"?

 

[nikhsub1]

Have a higher market share (3.5 vs 2.5 % approx) in Canada and don`t have to care as much?

My guess is that the US market is more important to VW - and then there is the NHTSA investigation in the US.

 

[KITEWAGON]

I don't understand why your repair bill is so much higher than the $7-8k that seems typical. It seems crazy to part out a 2011. Wouldn't it be worth more to repair it and sell it?

I'd get it away from the useless dealer and to a guru who has done HPFP repairs. The cost will surely come down...maybe enough to keep the car.

 

[k^2]

I Hate to say it but your situation just broke a new record in the HPFP drama. It will add (justly) more trauma to the issue.
I really don't understand why the repair bill is so huge. I am not a VW specialist but thinking about it. The parts that got contaminated or damaged and can not be cleaned are.
1. HPFP
2. Fuel Pump
3. Fuel Injectors.
4. Fuel Filter.

The total cost of those probably does not exceed 2500 CAD. The fuel lines and the tank can be flushed. As for the DPF and the emission system I really wonder if the fine particles have damaged it. At the end of the day the engine stopped running when starved of fuel. How much of the fine metallic dust got to the DPF? And then if some of it got there, did it clog it. I would try to look for a mechanic who knows VW's and let him do the work.
I realize that you must be devastated, buy your situation deserves a letter to be sent to VW of America and Canada. (They are one and the same. VW Canada closed its offices in the early 90's and moved to US). I would also report this situation the something like Better Business Bureau. And lastly I would try to contact the local news paper (Halifax is a large town) to see if they would feature your story in their Automotive section. The media loves bashing large corporations so your story would be perfect for them. VW definitively deserves at least a black eye for what happened to you.
Good Luck

 

[PlaneCrazy]

I Hate to say it but your situation just broke a new record in the HPFP drama. It will add (justly) more trauma to the issue.
I really don't understand why the repair bill is so huge. I am not a VW specialist but thinking about it. The parts that got contaminated or damaged and can not be cleaned are.
1. HPFP
2. Fuel Pump
3. Fuel Injectors.
4. Fuel Filter.

The total cost of those probably does not exceed 2500 CAD. The fuel lines and the tank can be flushed. As for the DPF and the emission system I really wonder if the fine particles have damaged it. At the end of the day the engine stopped running when starved of fuel. How much of the fine metallic dust got to the DPF? And then if some of it got there, did it clog it. I would try to look for a mechanic who knows VW's and let him do the work.
I realize that you must be devastated, buy your situation deserves a letter to be sent to VW of America and Canada. (They are one and the same. VW Canada closed its offices in the early 90's and moved to US). I would also report this situation the something like Better Business Bureau. And lastly I would try to contact the local news paper (Halifax is a large town) to see if they would feature your story in their Automotive section. The media loves bashing large corporations so your story would be perfect for them. VW definitively deserves at least a black eye for what happened to you.
Good Luck

The HPFP alone is about $2000, brand-new.

Edit: checked back in my records and the pump, new was just a hair under $1600. $2k was the price installed. They did not change the fuel system end to end in my case, just the pump.

 

[steve05ram360]

Heres a pump to consider...

Edit: refer to this post... http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=4506137&postcount=29

 

[TDIFred]

get a used motor, 2500$ or so, another grand to install. scr3w 13000$$!!!

 

[Lightflyer1]

Heres a pump to consider..http://www.hansparts.com/03L130755AHighPressureFuelPump.aspx $550 USD. They may also be able to get the injectors at a reasonable price

I would steer a very wide path around this guy. Rothenbacher Engineering. One of his many other sites he has for parts. Well know around here to stay away from. I am surprised you haven't heard of this guy. Here are some threads about him:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/search.php?searchid=15365413

 

[steve05ram360]

I would steer a very wide path around this guy. Rothenbacher Engineering. One of his many other sites he has for parts. Well know around here to stay away from. I am surprised you haven't heard of this guy. Here are some threads about him:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/search.php?searchid=15365413

Nope, just did a search for a pump and found that site, had no idea they have a bad rap. Sorry for posting the link. Surely there are rebuilt pumps available though that are far cheaper than new. (the rams cp3 new iirc was 1500-1800, rebuilt 700)

 

[NovaMoto]

Right now I'm waiting on a call back from VW Canada. I did ring them yesterday & pled my case. I'm told I should hear something today or tomorrow. The fact the car had a dead lift pump had the dealer & I thinking it starved the HPFP.

I'll keep the thread updated