Aint seen nuttin yet: B8 looks utterly spectacular, ja?

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Pretty sharp. It looks like a face-lifted NMS, although it's probably significantly different.

I wonder if they'll have a 2016 at the Detroit Auto Show this year and what changes we will see for the North American market.
 

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I love the hidden trailer hitch on the wagen at 27:20
 

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I love the hidden trailer hitch on the wagen at 27:20
Yes it's nice feature. But it seems to me VW has no plans to bring wagon/ state to US. They are going to push small SUV that I hate how it looks and drives, no cargo space whatsoever.
 

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Yes it's nice feature. But it seems to me VW has no plans to bring wagon/ state to US. They are going to push small SUV that I hate how it looks and drives, no cargo space whatsoever.

What SUV are you talking about? The 3-row SUV that they're talking about building in Chattanooga will be different from anything else they have offered so far, so I'm not sure how you know how it drives. :confused:
 

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I don't think B8 is a correct label. But the wagon is gorgeous. I'd buy one in a heartbeat with the EA288 engine, but I know that won't be an option.
 

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I know they won't bring these over. I'm still waiting on "official" word that VWoA will offer a TDI Tiguan. Due to some medical issues this summer, I'm thinking that it might be easier to climb in and fall out, than the other way around.
 

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I know they won't bring these over. I'm still waiting on "official" word that VWoA will offer a TDI Tiguan. Due to some medical issues this summer, I'm thinking that it might be easier to climb in and fall out, than the other way around.
The Tiguan is seriously dated. I highly doubt that they will certify a new engine in the existing Tiguan for our market... if a TDI Tiguan is going to happen at all, it probably won't be until the Tiguan's refresh, whenever that is.
 

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2016 is what I remember seeing bounced around. Of course for VW, that means anywhere between 2015 and 2020.
 

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What SUV are you talking about? The 3-row SUV that they're talking about building in Chattanooga will be different from anything else they have offered so far, so I'm not sure how you know how it drives. :confused:
I said small SUV, I guess no one reads to the end. Well I meant this piece of crap Tiguan. Well all these class SUV's are crap to me. All it started from Rav4 and CRV. Those model aren't SUV nor Wagon. Small Cargo, high road clearance, that makes dangerous for role overs, very noisy inside, crappy on ice or off road and all very ugly. I don't understand why people are buying them. Now even Volvo has one XC60, plus it will sell next year V60 All Road model, that has higher clearance than V60, but same car as V60, but different than XC60. it's just some delirium.
Only one manufacture brings wagon from year to year it's Benz. But they didn't have diesel anymore for some reason as used to be.
BMW has 3-series wagon, but it's small for family and long trips.

I'm hoping new XC-70 will be nice and good mpg. They made new E-drive engine 4 cyc, and promising do about 35 mpg combine. We shall see if it's true.
 

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I said small SUV, I guess no one reads to the end. Well I meant this piece of crap Tiguan. Well all these class SUV's are crap to me. All it started from Rav4 and CRV. Those model aren't SUV nor Wagon. Small Cargo, high road clearance, that makes dangerous for role overs, very noisy inside, crappy on ice or off road and all very ugly. I don't understand why people are buying them. Now even Volvo has one XC60, plus it will sell next year V60 All Road model, that has higher clearance than V60, but same car as V60, but different than XC60. it's just some delirium.
Only one manufacture brings wagon from year to year it's Benz. But they didn't have diesel anymore for some reason as used to be.
BMW has 3-series wagon, but it's small for family and long trips.

I'm hoping new XC-70 will be nice and good mpg. They made new E-drive engine 4 cyc, and promising do about 35 mpg combine. We shall see if it's true.
I read what you said. You said "VW is going to push small SUV [sic]," which implies that it isn't out yet, otherwise you would say that they are pushing or have been pushing. Verb conjugation. ;)

Nobody is pushing the Tiguan. It's been around forever and is at the end of its life cycle (due for a refresh).
 

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I read what you said. You said "VW is going to push small SUV [sic]," which implies that it isn't out yet, otherwise you would say that they are pushing or have been pushing. Verb conjugation. ;)

Nobody is pushing the Tiguan. It's been around forever and is at the end of its life cycle (due for a refresh).
That what I meant. I read somewhere, they are going push Tiguan, which small SUV, so they will not have plans for wagon to USA.
 

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From our local dealer:

2017 Arrivals:
**Midsize B-SUV (7passngr) to arrive Q1-2017
**Tiguan (Gas+TDI) A-SUV to arrive Q2-2017

This means the current Tiguan will either soldier on for another year and a half, or they'll drop it for a year after 2015. The mid-size SUV is what we get instead of the new Passat Wagon. Shame.

I don't mind small SUVs, although I'd never own one. Or any AWD vehicle, for that matter. Unnecessary.

 

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They should bury the Tiguan in a deep, deep hole and bring out a U.S. Passat wagon.
(Yeah, I know, I'm the first person to want this...)
 

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I'd be on the list for a Passat Wagon... not that I need another vehicle. :eek:

I will not be on the list for an SUV.
 

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You all can rant about the Tiguan, but I liked mine a lot. Much easier to get in and out of than a sedan for us old folks. If mine had been diesel I'd still have it. Just couldn't take 22MPG any more.

For me, the perfect size is the Audi Q5. A little more cargo space, and sufficient passenger room. The V6 diesel is over-kill, and I think it would be fine with the EA288. I just can't stand the local Audi dealers, so I am sticking with VW and waiting for either a TDI Tiguan or the production CrossBlue, diesel of course...
 

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in my opinion , even it's radical, I would not allow SUV's on public roads unless it's construction, going to off road or vacation. The roads will be safer.
 

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Like act980002, I liked our CUV while we owned it. We had a 07 cr-v that was one of the most comfortable vehicles we've ever owned. Just couldn't handle the low to mid 20s mpg and the high car payment at the same time. JSW has about the same cubic inches of cargo room, but the CRV was taller and easier to load some things. I would have pushed for the Tiguan at that time if it had come with a diesel or not required premium. Not sure why Philly is so deadest against them.
 

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That is one bada$$ gray boat in the background at 25:30.

Looks like something Batman would float. I wonder who owns that puppy...
 

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in my opinion , even it's radical, I would not allow SUV's on public roads unless it's construction, going to off road or vacation. The roads will be safer.
That is a ludicrous statement...

The roads would be safer if people actually learned how to drive properly and paid attention. SUVs are not the problem; they are just a bigger missile for the idiots on their cellphones to hit you with...
 

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That is a ludicrous statement...

The roads would be safer if people actually learned how to drive properly and paid attention. SUVs are not the problem; they are just a bigger missile for the idiots on their cellphones to hit you with...
yes it's true. But it also this;

n fact, a recent study was done assessing the outcomes of nearly four years of crashes in the United States involving over 70,000 children from birth to 15 years of age. Nearly 40 percent of the children were in SUVs and 60 percent in passenger cars. The study found that SUVs were not safer than passenger cars. The risk for injury to children was similar in SUVs and passenger cars. Heavier cars tended to be safer than lighter cars, within both classes of vehicles. However, the safety advantage of the SUV's extra weight was counteracted by the more than two times greater risk of rollover in an SUV, and the three times greater risk of injury for children in rollovers. - See more at: http://www.fisher-price.com/en_US/p...l?article=tcm:169-17927#sthash.G0RnQUwA.dpufn fact, a recent study was done assessing the outcomes of nearly four years of crashes in the United States involving over 70,000 children from birth to 15 years of age. Nearly 40 percent of the children were in SUVs and 60 percent in passenger cars. The study found that SUVs were not safer than passenger cars. The risk for injury to children was similar in SUVs and passenger cars. Heavier cars tended to be safer than lighter cars, within both classes of vehicles. However, the safety advantage of the SUV's extra weight was counteracted by the more than two times greater risk of rollover in an SUV, and the three times greater risk of injury for children in rollovers. - See more at: http://www.fisher-price.com/en_US/p...ml?article=tcm:169-17927#sthash.G0RnQUwA.dpuf

[FONT=&quot]n fact, a recent study was done assessing the outcomes of nearly four years of crashes in the United States involving over 70,000 children from birth to 15 years of age. Nearly 40 percent of the children were in SUVs and 60 percent in passenger cars. The study found that SUVs were not safer than passenger cars. The risk for injury to children was similar in SUVs and passenger cars. Heavier cars tended to be safer than lighter cars, within both classes of vehicles. However, the safety advantage of the SUV's extra weight was counteracted by the more than two times greater risk of rollover in an SUV, and the three times greater risk of injury for children in rollovers. - [/FONT]n fact, a recent study was done assessing the outcomes of nearly four years of crashes in the United States involving over 70,000 children from birth to 15 years of age. Nearly 40 percent of the children were in SUVs and 60 percent in passenger cars. The study found that SUVs were not safer than passenger cars. The risk for injury to children was similar in SUVs and passenger cars. Heavier cars tended to be safer than lighter cars, within both classes of vehicles. However, the safety advantage of the SUV's extra weight was counteracted by the more than two times greater risk of rollover in an SUV, and the three times greater risk of injury for children in rollovers. - See more at: http://www.fisher-price.com/en_US/p...ml?article=tcm:169-17927#sthash.G0RnQUwA.dpuf
n fact, a recent study was done assessing the outcomes of nearly four years of crashes in the United States involving over 70,000 children from birth to 15 years of age. Nearly 40 percent of the children were in SUVs and 60 percent in passenger cars. The study found that SUVs were not safer than passenger cars. The risk for injury to children was similar in SUVs and passenger cars. Heavier cars tended to be safer than lighter cars, within both classes of vehicles. However, the safety advantage of the SUV's extra weight was counteracted by the more than two times greater risk of rollover in an SUV, and the three times greater risk of injury for children in rollovers. - See more at: http://www.fisher-price.com/en_US/p...ml?article=tcm:169-17927#sthash.G0RnQUwA.dpuf
 

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yes it's true. But it also this
1. That has nothing to do with the discussion.
2. You quoted an article citing "studies" but with no date and no link to said studies... For all we know that information is 12 years old.
3. Basically, the study you just quoted proves my point. SUVs are not more unsafe than passenger cars... "The risk for injury to children was similar in SUVs and passenger cars."
4. That has nothing to do with the discussion...
 
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in my opinion , even it's radical, I would not allow SUV's on public roads unless it's construction, going to off road or vacation. The roads will be safer.
I'd be on the list for the SUV, for my wife. Our kids go to a charter school and we have to get them to and from school everyday. Because of this, we car pool with another family. My wife must be able to get 4 kids into the car, plus 2 adults. Anything seating less than 6 is a no-go. At least for the next few years. When we don't have to carpool, we take my TDI Passat because it's more fuel efficient.
 

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Buy Minivan. Buying SUV with third row seat its like buying sport car as everyday car.
 

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Buy Minivan. Buying SUV with third row seat its like buying sport car as everyday car.
That's an absurd statement. SUV's with 3rd row seating in my mind are probably the most useful of the SUV's out there, simply because they can seat more than 4-5...which is typically no more than a sedan. I've probably got more room in my Passat for 4 adults and luggage than a Ford Escape.

Had 2 minivans before we got her current Dodge Durango. The mini-van was phenomenal as far as space was concerned, I truly do miss it from that perspective. The SUV provides about 70% of the space of the mini-van. If the third row is folded down, it holds quite a lot. When the third row is up, you can comfortably seat 7 and still have some room in the back for some stuff. Sure, you won't be able to hold 7 suitcases, but you wouldn't hold that much in the mini-van either.

The Durango has a hitch and is far better suited to towing. And the AWD in Michigan helps quite a bit with snowy Michigan winters.

And for those not shopping for mini-vans might not know, the choices of mini-vans is shrinking substantially. Not many choices at all.
 

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That's an absurd statement. SUV's with 3rd row seating in my mind are probably the most useful of the SUV's out there, simply because they can seat more than 4-5...which is typically no more than a sedan. I've probably got more room in my Passat for 4 adults and luggage than a Ford Escape.
Had 2 minivans before we got her current Dodge Durango. The mini-van was phenomenal as far as space was concerned, I truly do miss it from that perspective. The SUV provides about 70% of the space of the mini-van. If the third row is folded down, it holds quite a lot. When the third row is up, you can comfortably seat 7 and still have some room in the back for some stuff. Sure, you won't be able to hold 7 suitcases, but you wouldn't hold that much in the mini-van either.
The Durango has a hitch and is far better suited to towing. And the AWD in Michigan helps quite a bit with snowy Michigan winters.
And for those not shopping for mini-vans might not know, the choices of mini-vans is shrinking substantially. Not many choices at all.

While I don't hate them, I tend to shy away from SUV due to the inefficient layout and inherently more dangerous propensity to roll over. Think about this, the floor height is higher to accommodate the four wheel drive system which means less cargo room than a comparably sized minivan.

Now compare this to a minivan, where the floor is not much higher than a sedan.
This is a center of gravity thing. Hauling 300 lbs of stuff higher off the ground leads to more instability. Also, the majority of the load area in an SUV is behind the axle, compared to over or in front of it. This tends to over load the rear of the vehicle, leading to unsafe handle characteristics. (I load my work van with the heaviest stuff in the middle, through the side door. My father works out of the rear end. Guess whose van feels safer? Comparatively speaking)

Now, how about that totally awesome third row seat? In an SUV, the third row seats are usually really small and flimsy, so as not to take up much space when folded. Compare to a minivan where they are actual seats. With actual leg room! A seat has to be strong enough to not deform or flex backwards.

There is a study, though I am not sure where, that shows the compromise in seat back integrity and proximity to the rear door/window is super dangerous for children. There may even be video of it.

http://www.rcrsd.com/news/third-row-car-seats/

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/02/the-safety-of-third-row-seats/index.htm

http://www.edmunds.com/car-safety/how-safe-are-rear-seat-passengers.html

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2002/03/13/car-seats.aspx

That said, my wife and I drive tdi passats, and if I have to carry more than 5 people, I take my full size conversion van. I would totally drive a minivan for hauling purposes, be it cargo or people though.

Oh, and I would do some pretty unsavory things for a passat wagon like the one in the video....maybe. That is one badass ride!
 

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For you that keep up with this news, why won't VW bring the new passat or passat wagon to the states? It certainly has nice features and would sell to those that have been buying passats.


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