Advice for DPF next steps

ferson206

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Good luck. I deleted and tuned to the cost of about $1,200 all in, and have not regretted it once. I've put about 50k miles in it since then, and while I haven't noticed a lot more mileage, the car sounds and feels better, and I'll never have to worry about a dpf again. I knew a decent amount about VW when I bought my 2011 jsw, but not about these cars specifically and it's been a fairly steep learning curve. A number of new tools, YouTube videos and curse words later, and I've done a pretty high amount on the car. I've put about 110k miles on it since I bought it, and plan for at least 100k more. The only advice I would give anyone new to this VW thing is this- be patient. VW can be amazingly over engineered and stupidly complicated, but if everything went together, then everything can come apart. Just take your time, don't get too frustrated, watch a lot of videos, and have fun. I've been scared to do pretty much everything I've done on this car, but I've asked a zillion questions, watched a lot of how to videos, and so far I've been able to get it all done. I have front suspension and a shifter rebuild on the horizon, and one of those has me scared, but I'll figure it out, you will too
I appreciate this encouragement. I have a 2004 Jetta wagon manual with close to 300k miles, love that car and have done a fair amount of work on it. This 2011 I've only had a year and a half or so, and I ended up kind of regretting not holding out for a manual trans shortly after purchasing it. Especially when the starter died (replaced that), then the check engine light came on, then the DPF light came on... I wasn't thinking I'd have this car long, but since deciding to do this procedure that has changed. Now I'm excited to see what it's like after this, and I suspect that doing this will be another little plateau in my confidence/competence for more involved repairs.
 

Chef-CJ

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Ah the MK4 Jetta, my favourite. I know they got some flack, but I've had two, one was a perfect car that I bought new and drove it for 185k trouble free miles before someone totalled it, and another was a piece of junk that I bought used and super cheap that managed to total itself when the engine blew. But I lkove that era, they still look modern and managed to somehow be cheap and feel more premium. Definitely a nicer place to be than any Camry I've ever been in.

Yeah I found myself in the same situation when I bought my JSW, dealer told me loads of great stories about fuel savings, trouble free, totally fixed by VW, everything's great please give us your money etc, and once I really dug in (which was my fault for not doing first) I started seeing all the problems on the horizon. But it's been a learning experience that's made me a lot more confident in my ability to do things on cars, and I've honestly grown to love this car a lot more after all of the time I've spent on it.
 

ferson206

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Hey friends,
I'm part way through this project, seems to be going well. I noticed that when I removed the DPF from the turbo, there's a thin little metal gasket that was between those two parts, inside the ring clamp. Do I need to replace that? I have a new ring clamp ordered I can pick up today, and the clamp I removed also seems reusable. If the gasket is needed, is the old gasket reusable? I have no experience connecting exhaust pipes so don't know if that gasket is always needed or only with certain connections. Thanks!
 

turbodieseldyke

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Gasket is needed, and i'd go ahead and re-use it. Make sure it goes in the right way, and it has little tabs that help hold it in place while you clamp it. But if you can order one at the same place you're getting your clamp, it wouldn't hurt to have a spare.
 

ferson206

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Gasket is needed, and i'd go ahead and re-use it. Make sure it goes in the right way, and it has little tabs that help hold it in place while you clamp it. But if you can order one at the same place you're getting your clamp, it wouldn't hurt to have a spare.
Oooh thanks. Is there an easy way to tell what's the "right way," or is that determined by the little tabs?
 

ferson206

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Ok got the clamps I need and am reusing gaskets. Directions I'm following (from Rawtek -- my kit didn't come with any directions) says to apply a little high temp gasket maker to these before installing. I'm about to install the new pipes and may check back later to be sure I've correctly reconnected what needs to be connected and left off what's ok being left off. 😮
 

ferson206

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The physical install is pretty much done - just need to connect the O2 sensor and figure out which other wires get reconnected. My new pipes have no other bung, so I think all the lower end wires that were connected to lower sensors and mounted to that plastic connection holder under the car can just get tucked away. I've read conflicting info on the pressure sensors under the hood. Rawtek instructions (not my kit but used their instructions for the removal) say remount to remount these and reconnect them electrically, even though passenger side will have no hoses going to it and the one behind the engine will have one of its original two hoses. Another source indicated these could be discarded.
 

ferson206

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Thanks all for the immensely helpful tips and encouragement. Took the car out off-road today. Much better drive feel, clear improvement in power and shifting (I installed a transmission tune in addition to engine tune), and a substantive improvement in mileage. I think I was maybe getting high 30s before, and on my roughly 100 mile test drive today I was around 44mpg. And no error codes.
 

ksing44

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Is it normal to get rough engine shutdowns after a DPF delete and tune? My understanding is that the DPF delete also includes blocking off the EGR, although I think it can also be completely removed. Do these types of deletes and tunes also disable the ASV? If they typically do, is there also a way to keep the ASV functional with a delete and tune? Just wondering about maintaining smooth shutdowns and also not risking a runaway engine situation.
 
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DrGERTol

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@ksing44 -- We are 5+ weeks into our Rawtek delete and Tunezilla/Malone 0.5 tune (at 192+K miles) and have no rough engine shutdowns. Even my wife is happy with the results (the slight wax candle odor from the exhaust is so far tolerable). --g
 

ksing44

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Thank you for your comments @DrGERTol and @ferson206. I should add that I read it's not real rough or violent, they just noticed a difference. There was just a little extra something, kind of clunk. But I think I will ask about it just to know if maybe it can be eliminated easily.
 
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Garrison

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Is it normal to get rough engine shutdowns after a DPF delete and tune? My understanding is that the DPF delete also includes blocking off the EGR, although I think it can also be completely removed. Do these types of deletes and tunes also disable the ASV? If they typically do, is there also a way to keep the ASV functional with a delete and tune? Just wondering about maintaining smooth shutdowns and also not risking a runaway engine situation.
Thank you for your comments @DrGERTol and @ferson206. I should add that it's not real rough or violent, I just noticed a difference. There's just a little extra something, kind of clunk. But I think I will ask about it just to know if maybe it can be eliminated easily.

"This kit replaces the EGR Valve and fits neatly between the Anti Shudder Valve and Inlet Manifold. Retaining the ASV means the engine still remains smooth when switching off the ignition"
 

ksing44

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^^Thank you @Garrison! I also found that kind of thing when searching. I think I'd like it just like that, no EGR but ASV functional. I may ask about that the next time I go to the shop. I think I'm also going to replace all the rusty exhaust pipes and muffler to be sure there are no leaks. I'm thinking just new OEM for the rest of the exhaust.
 

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It should be noted that the metal EGR tube that goes from the exhaust to the valve after the ASV is really annoying to remove, so you can just zip tie it out of the way. Just make sure its not rubbing against anything or interfering with the shifter linkages on top of the trans.
 

Garrison

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@ksing44 for sure buddy

FWIW - as much as I love Darkside and have bought plenty from them, any chinese knock-off will perform equally as well; they sell for about $30 vs $150-$160 from the UK 👍
 
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