Additional CCM coding and configurations with VDS Pro

[cuppie]

Arpad:
Neat!

I would add some info to the sheet, but, no edit access.
Want to add this info to the sheet (it's relevant to North American B5.5 wagon tailgate control)?
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=5203815&postcount=733

 

[Arpy]

Hi Cuppie,
Thanks for sharing, I have added that also to the table.

I have also set the permission to edit by anyone, I hope it won't go wrong direction.
By the way I also planned to read the whole topic, just to try to collect further thing, but doesn't have enough time for that.


Regards,
Arpad

 

[cuppie]

I would suggest keeping a local copy of the original (if you haven't yet already.)
After that, download the Google sheet from time to time, store that - that way, you can track changes, and easily revert to an earlier version, if someone completely borks it up.

Another suggestion:
Maybe allow editing by users logged in with a Google account (rather than allowing anonymous edit), if possible? At least, that way you can track who changed things.
Up to you, of course.

Edit (again):
Due to differences from model to model, last suggestion would to be to create a separate sheet for each model that you want to document.
Witness just the docs for enabling 'remote windows' on various vehicles, and how the address spaces change..
Plus, it would reduce clutter in the sheet(s), having only one model on a page.

 

[Maxritmo]

hello to everyone, I apologize for my bad english ... i have a problem with my car ... ccm 1c0959799b and remote 1j0959753ah ... it works all to wonder But the problem is that only 1 remote control works ... when with the VAG is going to set the number of remote controls ... it does not allow me to put it by 1 ... accepts 2-3 etc ... but then returns automatically to 1 ... there is way to set the number of remote controls from vds -pro? thank you!

 

[cuppie]

You may need to first clear all remotes - then you should be able to set the remote adaptation number (how many remotes you have) to another value.
See http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/cars/vw-remote-matching.html , and scroll to the bottom of the page.

 

[Maxritmo]

thanks for the answer ... i have already tried how you say but it does not work is like blocked to "1" for this reason i asked if the setting can be set via vds-pro so as to force the setting

 

[cuppie]

When I got new keys & remotes for my B5.5 a couple years ago, I recall having a similar issue.
Took re-entering the values a couple of times for it to stick (using VCDS, with a genuine cable.) But, stick it did - eventually.

I think it was also necessary to enter the value, click Test, then click Save.

 

[Maxritmo]

I'll try with a new cable then,thanks!

 

[stevesimmons]

Battery voltage is VERY important when adapting new keys.

When I got new keys & remotes for my B5.5 a couple years ago, I recall having a similar issue.
Took re-entering the values a couple of times for it to stick (using VCDS, with a genuine cable.) But, stick it did - eventually.

I think it was also necessary to enter the value, click Test, then click Save.

 

[Amedeo1967]

I had 1C0 959 799 B on my skoda octavia that burned.. I have full fis on board. I bought one with the same code, but when I open the driver's door it show passenger door open.
Where is RHD to LHD adress.
Thankyou

 

[Amedeo1967]

I found:
Bytes 04358, 04359, 04360 have FF = 255 = Binary 11111111 on the Left Hand Drive versions

BUT what means IRU?

 

[graeme86]

Yes - RHD code at these addresses is 16 , instead of 255 for LHD

IRU = Innenraumüberwachung = Interior Monitoring

 

[cuppie]

Here's a good one:
I'm trying to set up a coding bench for a 1CO CCM. AFAIK, my test module is 'good' (but, haven't confirmed this in my car, because getting to a B5's CCM sucks.)

Test harness has power at T15/13, T15/12, and T23/22. Ground at T23/23. K line at T23/11. (This from my Bentley.)
CCM appears to power up (it does output 12.40v on the K line), and I can see comm attempts when I try to connect to it (the cable does pull the voltage down to ~0.5v when VDS-Pro or VCDS try to connect.)
All I get is a communication timeout.

Am I missing something? Or, is this just not going to work?

 

[Amedeo1967]

Yes - RHD code at these addresses is 16 , instead of 255 for LHD

IRU = Innenraumüberwachung = Interior Monitoring

Thankyou

 

[ady2006]

@cuppie: your pinout is wrong. For 1C0 module you need +12V at pins: T23/5, T23/17, T23/20. T23/22. Ground at pin T23/23 and K-line at pin T23/11.

 

[cuppie]

@cuppie: your pinout is wrong. For 1C0 module you need +12V at pins: T23/5, T23/17, T23/20. T23/22. Ground at pin T23/23 and K-line at pin T23/11.

Thank you, sir.
I'll give that another go this weekend, and let you know how it goes.

 

[cuppie]

@cuppie: your pinout is wrong. For 1C0 module you need +12V at pins: T23/5, T23/17, T23/20. T23/22. Ground at pin T23/23 and K-line at pin T23/11.

This did not work.
T23/5 is not present on my test harness (no, I can't tell you precisely what year/model it came from, because fleabay.)
From my read of the wiring diagrams, T23/20 is actually the +12v output (from the CCM) for the interior lighting circuit.)
But, tried jacking power into that. It made the CCM click - still no comms.

Who knows - maybe this one's a dud. If only I had a Golf/Jetta to use (easy to pull those!), instead of a B5 Passat (sucks to pull that one.)

 

[ady2006]

m8,this pinout is not a presumption, trial, or any else ! Is wiring for my bench test wiring harness for ccm. Now:
--this ccm don't have a +12V output for interior lightings; +12V is permanent on lamps and grounding for lamps is the output of ccm
--without +12V present at pin T23/5 diag conections never be established.

 

[cuppie]

I'll give that a try (probably Saturday or Sunday.) I'll need to move a wire - but, it's doable.
Will update at that point.

Thanks!

 

[cuppie]

Update:
It works! Applying power at T23/5 got comms up. T23/20 (at least on the CCM that's sitting here) does not need +12v applied to it.

Thanks for the pointer.

-Chris

 

[Matt-98AHU]

So, I've been doing a few Jetta wagons where you modify the usual 1C0 bytes that allow the comfort window operation via remote (04361, 2 and 3) to also put the rear hatch operation with central locks and after a lot of time pouring through this thread, I did find what allows the Golfs to also operate the hatch lock with the door locks too. On 1C0 959 799 x CCMs

Post 610 outlines what the addresses are, but I used the values from this post.

Original values in the North American 03 Golf I was working on:

Addresses: 04352, 3, 4 were originally 200. I changed them to 88 and it works perfect. The switch in the door is now disabled, too.

I was trying the same on a very early production 99.5 Golf 2 door, GL with crank windows (so address 35 instead of 46). It's a weird part number I've never seen before.

1C0962258P

Login 19283 still works and I can read using function 26. But it will NOT let me write (function 27). I get an error.

What I also noticed is it seems the config bytes are in a pattern I haven't seen even with early 1J0 CCMs. And there are sets of 4 instead of 3.

04284 2
04290 2
04296 2
04302 2

and

04285 166
04291 166
04297 166
04303 166

166 = 10100110



But, either way, it just won't let me write to 04285, 91, 97 and 04303.

Any one else try messing with the reaaaly early CLM?

 

[ervinke2]

Hey guys!
I'm trying to fit a 1J0959799J in my '97 Passat B5 Sedan. The only problem after connecting it is that my trunk lock works inverted. So when I lock the doors the trunk unlocks. And when I unlock the doors the trunk locks. Where should I start looking?
Thanks!

 

[cuppie]

Sorry to last two posters - I don't know there.

Here's my question for the day:
1C0- CCM ('02 Passat U.S., specifically.) "Automatic relock if not opened" function. It isn't an 'adaptation channel' to change. Wife doesn't like the feature on her car (me, I don't mind it on mine.)
Anyone know if there's a bit that can be flipped to turn that off?
Thanks!

 

[Matt-98AHU]

Hey guys!
I'm trying to fit a 1J0959799J in my '97 Passat B5 Sedan. The only problem after connecting it is that my trunk lock works inverted. So when I lock the doors the trunk unlocks. And when I unlock the doors the trunk locks. Where should I start looking?
Thanks!

Instead of messing with coding, the easiest solution may be to simply swap the pins at the actuator to get it to do what you want.

 

[Matt-98AHU]

Sorry to last two posters - I don't know there.

Here's my question for the day:
1C0- CCM ('02 Passat U.S., specifically.) "Automatic relock if not opened" function. It isn't an 'adaptation channel' to change. Wife doesn't like the feature on her car (me, I don't mind it on mine.)
Anyone know if there's a bit that can be flipped to turn that off?
Thanks!

I get asked that one a lot, too, but mostly by people who have broken door switches. heh

Kind of wish I knew. It might be in the addresses I've used for putting the Golf hatches on central locking. 04352, 3 and 4.

Next time I have a free moment, I may try messing with those bytes on my 1C0959799C equipped 03 Jetta wagon and see what I come up with.

 

[Nuje]

I did a couple tweaks shortly after I got my '02 back in the mid-00s, and used an old Thinkpad where I could boot to a command prompt.

What hardware are you using to do these changes? Will it work from the command line on a Windows machine?

I was using VDS-PRO (I think that was it) which was a DOS version, with a cable that had a serial (not USB) end on it, directly i to the Thinkpad's serial port.

 

[cuppie]

I get asked that one a lot, too, but mostly by people who have broken door switches. heh
Kind of wish I knew. It might be in the addresses I've used for putting the Golf hatches on central locking. 04352, 3 and 4.
Next time I have a free moment, I may try messing with those bytes on my 1C0959799C equipped 03 Jetta wagon and see what I come up with.

Awesome. I would much appreciate it.

I did a couple tweaks shortly after I got my '02 back in the mid-00s, and used an old Thinkpad where I could boot to a command prompt.

What hardware are you using to do these changes? Will it work from the command line on a Windows machine?

I was using VDS-PRO (I think that was it) which was a DOS version, with a cable that had a serial (not USB) end on it, directly i to the Thinkpad's serial port.

Pretty much the same: VDS-PRO, serial KKL cable, but Dell laptop. Boot into DOS from a flash drive.

Making the change isn't the problem - hell, I'm bench-coding B5.5 Passat CCMs here (changing the gate locking logic.) I just need to know which bit needs to be flipped (if that's possible at all.)

 

[cuppie]

I get asked that one a lot, too, but mostly by people who have broken door switches. heh
Kind of wish I knew. It might be in the addresses I've used for putting the Golf hatches on central locking. 04352, 3 and 4.
Next time I have a free moment, I may try messing with those bytes on my 1C0959799C equipped 03 Jetta wagon and see what I come up with.

December bump!

Matt, did you get a chance to poke at that?

 

[Matt-98AHU]

December bump!
Matt, did you get a chance to poke at that?

No, I never did. I even had a customer's Golf in here with a 1C0959799C module today and was in it with VDS Pro, put the hatch on central locking, but totally forgot about figuring out the auto lock deal.

Will have to try my wagon again next time I have the free space to actually park it at the shop!

 

[Matt-98AHU]

Well, have a Golf here that isn't being picked up for a couple days. Decided to try out changing the bits I'm not familiar with at addresses 04352-4 and 04361-3 and got no luck in getting auto re-lock after 30 seconds to disable.

But, I did find if you change bit 5 at addresses 04361-3 to a 1, the remote becomes inop. Heh

So, for example, this Golf was already set to 130 for remote windows (138 is the orig. value).

130 = 10000010
162 = 10100010, and that disabled the remote.

Beyond that, the other bytes I changed I'm not sure what they do. I do know that wagons are usually 202 = 11001010.

Bit 3 is for remote windows and bit 0 is used to put a wagon hatch on central locking, so I didn't bother trying to change those along with bit 6, since that seems to be an equipment difference between Golf/Jetta wagon instead of what we're looking for.

EDIT to add:

I tried several more addresses, changing each 0 to a 1 one at a time, and each 1 to a 0 and the only extra things I learned (some of which are already covered in this thread) are in addresses 04364, 5 and 6:

This Golf originally started with:

181 = 10110101
245 = 11110101 which netted me a double beep when locking
177 = 10110001 which initially got me with the auto lock after 30 seconds still happening, but not arming the alarm. But this turned out to be false information, after I tried several more values, I cam back to try 177 again and it worked normal with the auto re lock and alarm re-arming. Strange.
53 = 00110001 Which got me no beep when locking/arming the car.

Taking a little break and then trying some more addresses.

Would also love to find out what it takes to add the auto-dipping passenger side mirror for parking (automatically dips mirror when system detects you're in reverse). I think the W8 Passats might have had this feature, no? I had thought of one other possibility as a feature to add with help of this hacking, but now can't remember what I was thinking of.