A/T ? 01M Shudder at 4th to lock up ?

cherrybomb

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Have a 2003 Beetle TDI, A/T with 190K miles. Filter and fluid change at purchase 185K with ID kit and fluid was good looking at that time.(not burned or dirty). Car has shifted smoothly since and last 200-300 miles it vibrates like before smoother lock up around 40MPH to 55MPH. Did a re-adjust the accelerator and seemed to help some but still not smooth shift as it has been. Probably 4th to lock up or maybe 3rd to 4th shift. The car appeared to be well maintained and not abused prior to purchase. Suggestions on what to expect please? Have not pulled any codes with Free Ross Tech but what to look for please.
 

oilhammer

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The 01M is not the finest example of a slushbox. That said, you can try changing the fluid again, you can also monitor the shift/lockup request to see specifically when it happens, if it even is a transmission thing at all.

I also change the soft coding to Sport on the ALH+01M, as it helps with erratic behavior and also makes the best of the 90hp it has to offer.
 

cherrybomb

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Is the shift lockup function available on the Free version of Ross Tech? how and where to locate it? How to soft code that sport setting? VW is a bit off my level
 

cherrybomb

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Ran a scan this am and the results showed No Fault on the auto trans. or rest of the scanned components.. Suppose a reset on the Trans control module as Frank06 details on his K.C. TDI site help
 

Gruni14

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Is the shift lockup function available on the Free version of Ross Tech? how and where to locate it? How to soft code that sport setting? VW is a bit off my level
Pretty sure it's avail on my Snap-on scanner. Probably on some of the $450 versions of some Chinese scanners (Topdon, e.g.). I haven't looked specifically but those Import scanners from China do a lot. I know guy who has one and I've tried it. It seems to do about what my Snap-on one can do, maybe MORE!! (for a fraction of the cost). Car companies sell all the same cars in China as here and VW's were the undisputed sales king for a couple decades ....esp back during the time the MK4's were made and sold there. But you'd have to check into what various flavors (price range) of a particular scanner can, or can't do. The scanner companies usually publish exactly what features are avail for a specific scanner. And of course those scanners can do other vehicles too. Check Temu for good prices on them.

I'd add some anti-shudder agent Click HERE to the trans fluid myself. It often works.... if it's a friction/fluid issue. Depends what the root-cause is. I had a trans once with terrible shudder. 50 miles after adding the A-S Agent to it, it smoothed right out. And it's still good today (20 yrs later). I don't drive that pickup a whole lot though these days. But it was a fluid/friction issue ...so the A-S agent worked great there. But shudder can be caused by other things too. But often it's a friction issue.
 
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Gruni14

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FWIW, my car's 01M crapped out at about 90k miles. The original owner had it rebuilt by a competent rebuilder who at the time was real busy with 01M's lol. Wasn't a cheap rebuild. The tech who did the work told me he put in all the known 'fixes' (improvements), and assured me it would outlast the original tranny by a lot if I didn't drive stupid. Most of my miles are hwy I admit. And I have't abused it. Anyway, that was about 200k miles ago and still going strong (fingers crossed!). What I like about the Auto trans is for highway driving and most driving, ya just don't have to screw with rowing the gears. Trouble-free driving. So if you like that......

Those 01M trannies work fine but feel spongy behind a stock TDI. Esp because it's a small turbo diesel and a somewhat heavy car (for it's size). If you prefer more spirited driving, or even adding a little extra 'juice' to your TDI, a manual conversion is probably the better way to go. But if not, and you want stock and would rather write out a check to solve the problme, find a good rebuild shop who can handle it. Ask them to put in any and all updates and improvements. What that means is, the industry figures out weaknesses on failed trannies b/c certain ones like the 01M often fail for the same few reasons. Aftermarket tranny parts companies come up with crafty 'fixes' or cost-effective improvements to make better where the factory didn't quite get them 'right'. That's true for most trannies. Usually they don't cost a lot to implement. Nearly all transmissions have some weak area/s which can be improved upon to make more bulletproof. Esp the 01M. If a good rebuilder re-did yours, and you didn't abuse it, it should last you almost forever. I would expect the rebuild cost to come in the $2k mark. Possibly more. Its worth a few phone calls if that doesn't scare you.

Otherwise there are used ones floating around out there to consider. Most guys are going manual, so they don't have the value they once had. You could have a shop install a used one you bought, with a new torque converter, and keep yours on the side, and wait ...and have it rebuilt *if* the used one starts acting 'flakey'. If the used one never acts up, then you beat the odds and got a good 'cheap' (used) 01M. But if the used 01M does start to act 'funny' in, say, a few yrs, you have an ace in your back pocket (old one) which you can have quickly rebuilt as you drive on the 'flaky' tranny ...then swap the rblt one in (car's not down). Capische??

While the shop is rebuilding yours I'd take the axles home and put on new inner CV boots/grease. One less thing to worry about. And have them put on new inner tie/outer rod ends. Those inner's suck to do on-car with the subframe in there. And might as well install new lower control arms and ball joints if the shop had to remove any of those parts.

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I know the Topdon scanners in the $400-$500, and $600 range seemed to do a great job graphing real-time data (from my limited use). The $400 one I used did even better graphs (line graphs over time), I think than my slightly older Snap on Scanner (mine's not the latest). Mine graphs ok, but didn't seem to be as quick as my buddy's Topdon. My buddy's has bi-directional, which for a $375 scanner (pre-tariff) I was impressed. Nicer display. Fraction of the price. Like I say, I don't own one but used a buddy's last summer, ...to compare & see what it would do (on his TDI) vs a Snap-on. Went through all the sub menu's ...I was impressed. His was plug-in OBD by cable. I might consider one (probably go a couple models higher than his) when I need to upgrade. And the update$ are reasonable.

Nobody ever wants to spend a dime on a scan tool, and most newer or younger guys cheap-out and under-buy. Seems to cost ya more in the end. However, invest in a good one that meets or exceeds your current needs and it can be a real time-saver. Spend $400-$600. They usually pay for themselves pretty quick in the amount of time-saved or no-dealer-visit. Go el-cheapo and bang your head for a couple yrs shooting in the dark on repair jobs, wishing your scanner did THIS or THAT. I don't like to spend money either but ...Been there..... Obviously do your research whichever tool ya look at weather it is going to have the capability for your vehicles/needs.

OTOH, if all you own or work on is a TDI, then maybe buying the Rosstech is the better solution. Lot of guys here can tell you how to do this or that.

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I know the Topdon scanners in the $400-$500, and $600 range seemed to do a great job graphing real-time data (from my limited use).
The only reason to spend that much on a scanner would be for non-VAG use. VCDS is the gold standard for VAG and only costs $200. Most people already have a laptop.
 

oilhammer

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I have a brand new upper-tier TopDon scan tool, and it cannot do squat compared to VCDS. Not even close.

I also about spit soda all over my keyboard when I read these words: " What I like about the Auto trans is for highway driving and most driving, ya just don't have to screw with rowing the gears. Trouble-free driving. So if you like that...... "

LMAO.... the only thing the 01M was ever good for was insuring those of us that worked on cars for a living had a steady supply of work. I still know the part number for the transmission bolted to the ALHs by heart... 01M-300-032-GX. Etched into my brain, I've done so many. :D
 

cherrybomb

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Fired up the VCDS LITE and attempted the TCM reset. Since not registered, was not able to use the program. I did follow the procedure with KEYEO and did the accelerator reset again. Took the car out for a drive and shifts were smooth and only a slight almost imperceptible shudder on a shift. The reset helped so maybe this is as good as it gets. Thanks for your guidance.
 
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