A moral dilemma

[greengeeker]

What evidence? (don't know if you were being sarcastic there)

I'm pretty sure assault is going to have a harsher penalty than vandalism.

 

[kcfoxie]

As one who fought a single mother of two with a serious entitlement issue who kept parking in one of the two handicapped spaces, preventing lover who was just out of surgery with 122 stitches and rods that run from T3 to L4 in his back from parking where I paid for him to park, photos of someone parking incorrectly does nothing in the eyes of the law. Over a 4 months period and over 100 photos submitted I only succeeded in getting this woman's car towed once. That was because the towtruck driver happened to be driving past, I flagged him down, and convinced him to tow her car. She stopped for a week and started again.

I'd contacted the police directly, even left a copy of her photo in the parking space with the police office who lived in the complex. First it was there are no signs just painted handiman on the pavement and it's not a real handicapped space. The complex addressed that in short order, but then was told they can't do anything because of a photo on private property. The management has to resolve the situation.

It ended in us having it out in the parking lot while I was taking her car's photo, again in the handicapped space around 11pm, and ultimately me threatening legal action against the apartment complex after she assalted me and the police got involved. We were in luck that this was October, national disability awareness month. I had news station chomping at the bit to run the story. The management company moved us to a pool side ground level unit with 4 handicapped spaces right in front (I paid extra FOR a handicapped parking in the 600ft efficiency I was in) until the lease expired.

Then I bought a condo.

So yeah what evidence?

 

[thebigarniedog]

The evidence that the OP previously stated was so apparent in response to my prior posting .

 

[jasonTDI]

To do so would be to deny my heritage and life experiences. It would be abandoning what I went through to make me the person that I am today.

And continue on the repeated cycle of a**hat actions that drag society down.....

No point in arguing about it.....

 

[DPM]

I wonder if after all this, the perp actually *did* key the car, or whether they accidently scratched it, say with the zipper of a jacket whilst squeezing in. Pics?

 

[Diesel_Mikey]

Just remove the valve stem cores, tape them to the windshield along with a note: "Park like a douchebag. Get treated like a douchebag"

By a fellow douchebag. Sorry, but if you wedge your car into half a spot, there's a good chance your car gets damaged even if the guy in the next spot-and-a-half isn't a tool who takes it upon himself to key your car...you could very easily get whacked with a door or scraped as the other guy tries to get out. The fact is it's absurd to expect a good outcome from putting yourself in a bad position.

I just don't see how acting like just as much of a tool (and yes, just as much, because while he's a tool for starting the trouble with minimal provocation, that was an impulsive action...taking the time to cool off and consider all the ways you could be the better man, then deciding to turn it into a pissing contest anyway, offsets the fact that he deserved it more than you did) as the first guy really fixes anything. Does keying his car magically un-key your car? Hitting the guy where it really hurts (the wallet) would still provide consequences for his actions, but with the added bonus of actually helping you fix your car.

I'm not saying this to get up on some high horse...I'm just saying this to make sure you're seeing all the angles before you do something stupid. You're right to be angry over this, but don't let your anger blind you. If you get caught trashing someone's car, no one is going to care if he did the same to you several days ago, especially if you can't prove it. Even if you can prove it, you still come out looking worse, because what you did was premeditated...you've even left a handy stash of evidence to that effect by mentioning your intentions on this forum. Your best bet is to approach this through legitimate channels rather than turning it into a pissing contest.

 

[HoneyBeetle]

There's no way the Boston police would bother with something like that. A few years ago, three "gangsta"-types tried to rob me in the same garage. (..........................................I called the police, and their attitude was "Is anyone dead? No? We're busy."

You have potentially more legal issues going on with a pistol in a Boston garage than you would with the "gangsta" type road rage parking issue you have at hand.

Gun laws are truly a concern, especially in MA. Even if you have a FID and Class A permit, jail, arraignment, bail and defense is expensive AND gut-wrenching.

****Also, you may not want to hear this but, this IS a pubic forum, nothing is protected. You don't want stuff to come back at a later time to bite you on the arsk! There is a delete feature on your posts (hint hint).

Good luck, I know a good MA lawyer, or two.....if you need a reference.

 

[HoneyBeetle]

What evidence? (don't know if you were being sarcastic there)

I'm pretty sure assault is going to have a harsher penalty than vandalism.

OH, BTW: Assault can be committed WITHOUT making any personal contact to the other party. For example, showing a firearm to indimidate another. Also, you can't use a spring loaded rifle to protect your property. In most all circumstances, the reasonable method of protecting your property, particularly in pubic places, is to run the other way and, usually, call the police.

 

[Oblio13]

You have potentially more legal issues going on with a pistol in a Boston garage than you would with the "gangsta" type road rage parking issue you have at hand.

Gun laws are truly a concern, especially in MA. Even if you have a FID and Class A permit, jail, arraignment, bail and defense is expensive AND gut-wrenching.

****Also, you may not want to hear this but, this IS a pubic forum, nothing is protected. You don't want stuff to come back at a later time to bite you on the arsk! There is a delete feature on your posts (hint hint).

Good luck, I know a good MA lawyer, or two.....if you need a reference.

I DO have a class A license to carry, and it saved me from at least a robbery, maybe more. I did nothing that was either immoral or illegal, and I have no desire to make myself a victim in the future, especially after that experience. If helpless passivity seems like a good defensive strategy to you, go for it. It's not for me, though.

 

[JustLuckey]

I enjoyed reading this thread. It just solidifies that idiots are all over the world pissing people off in countless ways.

I normally think that karma will even the score these days, when I get cut off or my neighbor pisses me off....but to that dude in college that pissed me off too many times without me retaliating, I finally got even.
The night before the last day of finals (the day everyone had to leave campus), I had a ~1 gallon sized tupperware container of venison, that had been marinating at room temperature, in it's own juice for several weeks in an un-air conditioned college dorm room during the months of may & june (read: hot!). The juice was about as ripe, rancide, and rank as anything alive or dead I've ever smelled. The guy drove a jeep wrangler (with soft top). During the night, I found his jeep, unzipped the back, poured (just) the juice all in his carpet, and zipped it back up like nothing happened. The next day was a nice hot and humid day. I heard that the guy, with his jeep packed with dorm room stuff, so the top off was not an option, had a miserable 4 hour ride home.

This was over 10 years ago and I have no remorse. It actually calms me down when I think about getting back at others these days.

 

[HoneyBeetle]

I DO have a class A license to carry, and it saved me from at least a robbery, maybe more. I did nothing that was either immoral or illegal, and I have no desire to make myself a victim in the future, especially after that experience. If helpless passivity seems like a good defensive strategy to you, go for it. It's not for me, though.

Hey, temper tantrum, hold your britches....I AM a licensed ATTORNEY and you obviously are not. Do not try to explain to me criminal defense strategy or defensive tactical strategy. In fact, because you appear to be somewhat of a small jerk, you better listen for your own good. Small jerk or big jerk, I don't care. Innocent people get in trouble every day in MA because of firearms issues. Even if you are a nice jerk, with good intentions, you can still get locked up very easily in MA....even if you have a valid Class A and FID. This is not as true in any other state but CA and maybe one other state. Yes, it sucks, I know. But, it's true. Please tell me your firearms instructor told you these things. Or she didn't...too bad.

FYI: The law in MA is...., regarding self defense, anytime you are NOT in your own domicile, or home, even if you are threatened by SATAN himself, if you have the option of fleeing, you must do so immediately. You MUST flee prior to flashing a firearm or make any threats of serious bodily harm to anyone! Particularly when SATAN himself has no firearm, or weapon on his person. So, your self defense is all a matter of what type of facts you are dealing with....not whether or not someone threatens you, of course you know this.....yes?

Anyway law lesson #2: When you are in MA, even if you HAVE a valid class A and FID, you can (and probably will) get arrested. Even if you are innocent, you still must deal with arraignment, jail, posting bail and probably hiring a good defense attorney. You may face a major headache for up to a year or two. It could cost you your life's savings or your TDI. The reason why is, in MA, the burden of proof is ON the defendant to show he/she is legally in possession with a valid license to carry and possess "whatever type" of firearm....+ use it against stupid "gangstas" lurking around in Boston city parking decks.

This means, the police have no legal authority to determine the validity of your license, even if you have one, at the time they arrive at the scene. They arrest you, take your license and then you get to stay in jail for the night, go to arraignment within 48 hours and then..........post bail, get an attorney and deal with a year or more's worth of headaches and agony.

In MA, when it comes to firearms, the defendant's guilt is assumed, even when showing Mr.Policeman your shiney new card that says you are a good boy in MA and went to firearms school and whatever.......flash a firearm in public and you are more likely than not....going directly to jail....clink, you're done! In MA, you must show your license to a judge, unless you get very very lucky. Also, remember me when I tell you, D.A.'s will be your worst nightmare when it comes to firearms violations. They will give you no slack and show no mercy. What if the police even loose your license, what then? What if you have to post bail and miss two house payments? Perhaps you loose your job, to show a valid license in MA? It ain't worth it. You must have a valid MA license to carry and the police don't care if you show them one. They will proceed to handcuff you anyway.

I'm not telling this to you or anyone to be helplessly passive. Quite the contrary, I appreciate firearms too. I've done my share of hunting, etc. and have been to firearms classes in West Boylston. I also stand on 2nd amendment rights. I agree that 2nd amendment rights should NOT be tampered with. Unfortunately, some legislatures (some of them) believe MA gun laws need to be tough on innocent people as well as the guilty ones in order to be effective. Now there are a LOT of well-intentioned non-criminal types, every-day people, living in prison to serve out a mandatory prison sentence, simply because they had a firearm and have bad luck navigating the system.

It stinks....particularly for innocent people, well intentioned poor souls who get in trouble with firearms charges in MA. Many of these people wouldn't harm a flea.

I'm working with a defense attorney as co-defense with a defendant who is a really nice family man, a good guy.....really. No priors, no violence in his past, no violence associated with the firearms charges, Unfortunately, the system has fun a-foul and he's facing heart-aches and hell. It happens to the best of some.

DA's cut NO slack, whether you're a good guy, family guy, harmless person or have genuinely good intentions. It's a crying shame. It's a shame for him and for others who are innocent, trapped by mandatory sentencing and paperwork scandal and problems. Most MA gun laws, antiquated as they are, are highly questionable and controvercial, if you ask me.

I don't want to see the same happen to anybody, even you, my friend. So, hold on to your TDI hat, I'm only warning you, so I thought, in a nice way.....that's all.

So, take it or leave it. But hear me when I tell you, I do not appreciate people, like you, who open mouth and insert foot before they know who they're talking to. Enough said!

 

[TDIJetta99]

note to self... leave the firearm at home when going to MA... damn.. I'll take my chances with whatever miscellaneous tools I might have in the car..

 

[GoFaster]

Regarding squeezing your vehicle in beside a sloppily parked car - particularly if it's an expensive one and you know they're parking like that to keep other drivers away ...

This is something advisable only if you are driving an old, rusty, beat-up vehicle. A beat up '76 Ford van jammed in 2 inches beside the driver's door of a sloppily parked late model BMW will get the point across ... particularly if said rusty beater is between the lines and the BMW isn't.

Yes, I have done this. But not while driving a vehicle that was worth anything.

 

[compu_85]

Bhtooer tried that with his 86 golf and got two tires slashed

-J

 

[05_passat_tdi]

And my opinion of lawyers is the same as politicians; if the primates knew that one day politicians would arise from the gene pool, then they would have stayed up in the trees and written evolution off as a bad idea.

 

[TurbinePower]

*Busily proves how absurd gun laws in MA are*

I think I'm glad I don't live in MA!

 

[Oblio13]

Hey, temper tantrum, hold your britches....I AM a licensed ATTORNEY and you obviously are not....

Wow, Honeybritches, a real "licensed ATTORNEY"?! Color me impressed!

... Do not try to explain to me criminal defense strategy or defensive tactical strategy. In fact, because you appear to be somewhat of a small jerk, you better listen for your own good...

Since we're comparing resumes, I'm a retired Marine officer and a current federal law enforcement officer. I might be almost as well-versed in defensive handgun tactics as even a "licensed ATTORNEY". (And what's up with "tactical strategy"? Is that like "strategic tactics"?)

... Even if you are innocent, you still must deal with arraignment, jail, posting bail and probably hiring a good defense attorney...

Yes, it would be a hassle. But better to be judged by twelve than carried by six, as the saying goes. I have this thing about being dead. Especially the "painfully murdered" kind of dead.

... hear me when I tell you, I do not appreciate people, like you, who open mouth and insert foot before they know who they're talking to...

Now that I know I'm talking to a "licensed ATTORNEY", I'm standing at attention and saluting as I type this. Thank you for not suing me. I respect you like I respect used-car salesmen and politicians who keep money in their freezers. If I'm ever again confronted by a gang in a parking lot at midnight, my defensive strategy will be to sternly inform them that I know a licensed ATTORNEY. Why, in my mind's eye I can already see them cowering in fear.

... I'm only warning you, so I thought, in a nice way.....that's all...

When you re-read your posts, do they really sound "nice" to you?

 

[PDJetta]

Bhtooer tried that with his 86 golf and got two tires slashed

-J

I am making the connection that this person is where the term "toofed" came from, I see on this list, which seems to translate into "messed up beyond all recognizition by the owner". Is this correct?

--Nate

 

[jasonTDI]

And my opinion of lawyers is the same as politicians; if the primates knew that one day politicians would arise from the gene pool, then they would have stayed up in the trees and written evolution off as a bad idea.

Say that when you need one.....

 

[jasonTDI]

I am making the connection that this person is where the term "toofed" came from, I see on this list, which seems to translate into "messed up beyond all recognizition by the owner". Is this correct?

--Nate

Yep!

 

[40X40]

I smelled a rat and said so in post #5

Wow, Honeybritches, a real "licensed ATTORNEY"?! Color me impressed!



Since we're comparing resumes, I'm a retired Marine officer and a current federal law enforcement officer. I might be almost as well-versed in defensive handgun tactics as even a "licensed ATTORNEY". (And what's up with "tactical strategy"? Is that like "strategic tactics"?)



Yes, it would be a hassle. But better to be judged by twelve than carried by six, as the saying goes. I have this thing about being dead. Especially the "painfully murdered" kind of dead.



Now that I know I'm talking to a "licensed ATTORNEY", I'm standing at attention and saluting as I type this. Thank you for not suing me. I respect you like I respect used-car salesmen and politicians who keep money in their freezers. If I'm ever again confronted by a gang in a parking lot at midnight, my defensive strategy will be to sternly inform them that I know a licensed ATTORNEY. Why, in my mind's eye I can already see them cowering in fear.



When you re-read your posts, do they really sound "nice" to you?

I know several retired Marine Officers (even one Marine Corps General, which seems to be a rare breed where I live) as well as many Federal Law Enforcement officers (active and retired) and let me state for the record... none of them act or talk like this poser. IME, You can't ruffle the feathers of the real thing with anything less than WMD. This guy is this upset cause his car got keyed and he has no proof at all who did it.... it just seems over the top to me for anyone, and then he claims CCW(right..) as well as a FED badge(right...) and then throws in Officer (ret.) Next post he will be personal bodyguard to the BIG O.

Don't feed the TROLLS.


Bill

 

[05_passat_tdi]

Say that when you need one.....

It seems to me, that we wouldn't need them if they didn't make the law in such a way that they are needed.

 

[JB05]

I had my car keyed this past Summer on the passenger side, and yea I was PO'ed and became suspicious of everybody. I did a search here on scratch repair, ordered the paint on line, and learned a new skill. My point being that the sooner I did the repair, thus elimiinating any evidence, the sooner I was able to move on. I have to admit that I was taking up two parking spots, but I decided to park in another spot after a squirrel took up residence under the hood of my car. My hood liner was torn apart, one of the wires to my EGR was chewed up along with the rubber thingie that the engine cover slides into; and to top it off he knocked off my serpetine belt with his dead carcass.

 

[PDJetta]

"My hood liner was torn apart, one of the wires to my EGR was chewed up along with the rubber thingie that the engine cover slides into; and to top it off he knocked off my serpetine belt with his dead carcass."

Payback is hell. I think you won.

--Nate

 

[Souzafone]

3M makes a great product, 2 in. wide post-it tape, that allows you to make great bumper stickers. My personal fave was on a co-workers car, "I LIKE HAIRY MEN". Great fun. Nobody mentioned removing the license plates?

 

[kcfoxie]

 

[MrMopar]

And my opinion of lawyers is the same as politicians; if the primates knew that one day politicians would arise from the gene pool, then they would have stayed up in the trees and written evolution off as a bad idea.

Eh, people only say that when they're on the losing side of lawsuits. Once they need to bully someone their way, then lawyers are their friend.

 

[jasonTDI]

It seems to me, that we wouldn't need them if they didn't make the law in such a way that they are needed.

What fun would that be!

I'm right there with that. The stupid protecting the stupid. Until then I make sure to stay friends with my attorney!

 

[Oblio13]

Eh, people only say that when they're on the losing side of lawsuits. Once they need to bully someone their way, then lawyers are their friend.

They're professional parasites. If every lawyer died tonight, the world would be a better place tomorrow.


I love the twists and turns these threads can take.

 

[jasonTDI]

They're professional parasites. If every lawyer died tonight, the world would be a better place tomorrow.


I love the twists and turns these threads can take.

Someone got bit.....divorce....car accident....something....