70 MPG/1100/1200 Mile Club

ZippyV

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 3, 2008
Location
Huddersfield
TDI
Golf 105 tdi
Brock_from_WI said:
I hope to hit a 1100 tank this summer, but my wife keeps taking the TDI instead of the van, which is good, but bad for me to set any records in a given tank ;)

It's funny on SG2 when my wife makes the exact same trip I do she will get 55 mpg and I will get 75 mpg. She never cared until one day I left the SG2 in $ for the trip mode. That slowed her down, maybe I should put one in her van as she races around town ;)
Despite diesel prices costing almost as much as Champagne I am amazed how fast wives can drive when you are not looking.
 

no_one_of_consequence

Veteran Member
Joined
Sep 18, 2006
Location
Mexico
TDI
Jetta A4 2006
miles_____gal____mpg___ date
1100.44___16.25___67.71___oct_07
1103.55___15.87___69.49___nov 07
1175.69___15.82___74.31___dec 07

1111.63___15.76___70.40___feb_08

1112.25___16.02___69.42___apr_08
1124.10___15.79___71.19___apr_08
1113.49___15.60___71.37___may 08


Driver: no_one_of_consequence
Miles: 1113.49
Gallons: 15.60
Model Year: 2006
Model: Jetta A4 PD
Tranny: 5M
Fuel Type: D2

MPG: 71.37
 

UK_TDI_190

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 28, 2006
I've got a 2003 tdi 150 (ARL) with a hybrid turbo and remap - its chucking out around 200+bhp - and I got 70mpg on a 12 mile run for the first time yesterday!

Which other machine can give so much fun with such low cost??

My previous highest mpg had been around 63 on the same run.
The warmer weather makes such a big difference.

I'm in the UK and it got to around 23C yesterday - its normally around 9C!

Roll on SUMMER!
 

no_one_of_consequence

Veteran Member
Joined
Sep 18, 2006
Location
Mexico
TDI
Jetta A4 2006
UK_TDI_190 said:
I've got a 2003 tdi 150 (ARL) with a hybrid turbo and remap - its chucking out around 200+bhp - and I got 70mpg on a 12 mile run for the first time yesterday!

Which other machine can give so much fun with such low cost??

My previous highest mpg had been around 63 on the same run.
The warmer weather makes such a big difference.

I'm in the UK and it got to around 23C yesterday - its normally around 9C!

Roll on SUMMER!
Hi TDI_UK hope you are enjoying your ride. I take your 70 MPG is based on imperial gallons, that is good.
However, the fuel efficiency I’m reporting are US gallons which is about 3.3 L /100 km .
 

frederal

Member
Joined
Dec 23, 2007
Location
Winthrop Harbor, Il.
TDI
2005.5 Jetta TDI
no_one_of_consequence said:
miles_____gal____mpg___ date
1100.44___16.25___67.71___oct_07
1103.55___15.87___69.49___nov 07
1175.69___15.82___74.31___dec 07

1111.63___15.76___70.40___feb_08

1112.25___16.02___69.42___apr_08
1124.10___15.79___71.19___apr_08
1113.49___15.60___71.37___may 08


Driver: no_one_of_consequence
Miles: 1113.49
Gallons: 15.60
Model Year: 2006
Model: Jetta A4 PD
Tranny: 5M
Fuel Type: D2

MPG: 71.37
Thats very impressive!!! How do you drive, what conditions, speed, distance, etc. Are you doing any hypermiling at all, PLEASE SHARE how you do it. What if any tips do you have?
 

frederal

Member
Joined
Dec 23, 2007
Location
Winthrop Harbor, Il.
TDI
2005.5 Jetta TDI
What about soot build-up?

Fix_Until_Broke said:
NooC - You've averaged ~70.57 MPG over more than 7800 miles.

Very impressive - great work! That's not just a one tank fluke, thats sustained and repeatable.[/quote

Has anyone had any trouble with soot build-up from not blowing the engine out on a regular basis on an A5? How about egr problems or engine lights? I've had 3 P0302 DTCs stored in 6,000 miles (#2 cylinder missfire) and the VW dealer does not know yet what the cause is. They suspect that it could be an egr problem but don't seem all that interested in resolving it for me. They claim that they were waiting for VW tech line to tell them what to do next, this is laughable.

I'm beginning to think that with driving my car at such low rpms is a/the cause of the problem (almost always under 1,800), usually under the torque curve and never into turbo boost. While it gets me almost 62 mpg I know that the soot is built up because when I get on it, there is a huge black cloud behind me. So now I'm driving it harder, can feel the turbo boost, and rev it over 2k rpm regularly and economy drops to about 45-50 mpg and do not really see anymore soot when I get into it. Does anyone have any ideas?

So the long and the short of it is becoming, do I want to compromise my engine internal condition to save 5-10 mpg, or go with the flow and make sure its clean/reliable. I know there is a good balance between both and I'm still trying to find it. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
 
Last edited:

HOOPER65

Veteran Member
Joined
Oct 25, 2006
Location
Halifax, Nova Scotia
TDI
04 PD TDI GOLF
frederal said:
Thats very impressive!!! How do you drive, what conditions, speed, distance, etc. Are you doing any hypermiling at all, PLEASE SHARE how you do it. What if any tips do you have?

Yes, yes - do tell ?
 

no_one_of_consequence

Veteran Member
Joined
Sep 18, 2006
Location
Mexico
TDI
Jetta A4 2006
Currently I live in the Mexican Bajio, which is kind of the heartland of Mexico, this is a high plateau at 5500 ft and rather flat. Most of my motorway driving is on billiard table roads going to Guadalajara (5200 ft, 250 miles away) and Mexico City (7400 ft and 140 miles away), to get there you have to get across the Bajio ranges climbing to 8800 ft going to Mexico City or 6200 ft on the way to Gudalajara. I estimate that 90% of my driving is in these roads, early in the morning or late at night. I have read that altitude goes against FE, I disagree with that. Also that full boost at high altitude will kill the turbo, until know I have no problems. I have read a lot about clogging the intake manifold, it appears to be a problem is more related to rotary pumps, and less with the PD models. I haven’t taken a look at the EGR, but the car responds happily at 40k miles.

I got scangauge and a GPS to better evaluate my driving. The most important thing to me is a good knowledge of road conditions, where is downhill and where is up, apparently is silly but it isn’t. It just takes some practice and at the end you will find that these gadgets are a good reference but you don’t need eyeballing at them constantly.

I tackle hills starting at 55 and reaching 70 mph at the top of the hill. If I know that the downgrade is rather shallow I will go up to 75mph. If the downgrade is steep I will stick to 50-55mph, you will gain speed anyways and going downhill will be more controllable in gear or in N as required. There is a lot of discussion about what is better going down in gear or in N; if I encounter traffic, windy roads, and long downgrades I prefer going in gear 5, 4 or 3 as required. If there is no traffic and the hills are small or if there is a succession of slopes then going in N is better. There are situations that demand both: in and out of gear just to maintain an adequate speed.

Rump up the hill using heavy load and starting at 1600-1750 rpm up to 2500rpm (55 to 70mph). I think that going uphill is when the torque is better managed because it takes longer to get up to speed and the engine stays longer in the more efficient rpm range. The stock 5th is just ok at 1600rpm with pedal position between 50 and 70, as it gains speed, it is possible to floor it and still have a good FE. I don’t like a initial speed of less than 50mph at the bottom of a hill because my car does not respond very well to a heavy right foot in the range of 1200-1300rpm and also FE is worst than at a higher speed. I guess that taking the hills this way helps to clean up things that could be clogged by crude.

Very long downgrades with a very gentle slope are my favorite, here I will travel using P&G at a higher speeds in the range of 62-71mph and getting higher than 78mpg. If I have tail wind I will travel at these speeds, if not, in the range of 55-60mph. I keep an eye on everything waving by the wind, so I get a idea of present conditions. There is no granny driving here, nor when going downhill, although within 15 miles higher than the speed limit...with a few exceptions. When going in the opposite direction i will do the same but at a lower speed. To achieve a similar MPG without P&G I will have to travel at 40mph, I do that but only when the posted speed limit is 37mph.

Once up to speed I try to drive using only the 5th gear. Try not to drift semis (only momentarily when they pass) and not to obstruct traffic, but I will defend my road envelope when driving conditions ahead demand it and not just give way because someone is travelling faster than I.

Pumped up tires and taller rear tires are the only mods I had done to the car. I use no additives. Diesel here appears to be of pretty decent quality. Other than that, windows up and AC off. During the day temperatures soar to 90 F that’s why my long hours of driving are in the morning or at night most of the time.
 

no_one_of_consequence

Veteran Member
Joined
Sep 18, 2006
Location
Mexico
TDI
Jetta A4 2006
miles_____gal____mpg___ date
1100.44___16.25___67.71___oct_07
1103.55___15.87___69.49___nov 07
1175.69___15.82___74.31___dec 07
1111.63___15.76___70.40___feb_08

1112.25___16.02___69.42___apr_08

1124.10___15.79___71.19___apr_08
1113.49___15.60___71.37___may 08
1103.55___15.80___69.82___june 08

Driver: no_one_of_consequence
Miles: 1103.55
Gallons: 15.80
Model Year: 2006
Model: Jetta A4 PD
Tranny: 5M
Fuel Type: D2

MPG: 69.82

 

no_one_of_consequence

Veteran Member
Joined
Sep 18, 2006
Location
Mexico
TDI
Jetta A4 2006
miles_____gal____mpg___ date
1100.44___16.25___67.71___oct_07
1103.55___15.87___69.49___nov 07
1175.69___15.82___74.31___dec 07
1111.63___15.76___70.40___feb_08
1112.25___16.02___69.42___apr_08

1124.10___15.79___71.19___apr_08

1113.49___15.60___71.37___may 08
1103.55___15.80___69.82___june 08
1124.68___15.85___70.96___june 08

Driver: no_one_of_consequence
Miles: 1124.68
Gallons: 15.85
Model Year: 2006
Model: Jetta A4 PD
Tranny: 5M
Fuel Type: D2

MPG: 70.96
 

hearts34

Veteran Member
Joined
May 20, 2008
Location
Birmingham,AL
TDI
2004 Beetle
Hey, No one of consequence. That's awsome mileage.

I have already convinced myself that 50.5 mpg is the best I can do in my 04 NB PD . Maybe there's still hope. :eek:

dumb question, what's P&G ?

Also it seems to me in my case when tackling hills in an aggresive manner , my mileage goes down. But even when I drive with an egg between my foot and the gas pedal , I still only get the 50 -51 mpg. I must not be doing it right.

Thanks for the info. I am going to re-read it several times and try and put some of your tactics into my drive . It's 40mile one way with a variety of 30 degree hills and long 10 upgrades and downgrades mostly hiway. Only a very few flat places.
 

MikeMars

Veteran Member
Joined
Mar 6, 2008
Location
UK
TDI
Vento 1.9 TDi (retired), A4 1.9 TDi (rear end collision), VW Passat 1.9 TDi (retired), Audi A2 1.4 TDi

no_one_of_consequence

Veteran Member
Joined
Sep 18, 2006
Location
Mexico
TDI
Jetta A4 2006
MikeMars pointed to the right thread, but reading this could be useful as well. I started to explore basic techniques after reading this by Gdr703, much of it has been said again elsewhere. I have tried steady speed at different speeds from 35 to 90 mph. FWIR 35 to 40 mph yields about 90 mpg but it is impossible to drive at that rate. At 50 and 60 mph, FE jumps back to 60 and 50 mpg. At 70 mph is about 45 mpg. This figures are in line to whatever numbers have been reported by different drivers, so I guess my car is not that different. As for hills i share the opinion that the TDI is not a gasser.
 

Randall

Veteran Member
Joined
Jun 22, 2008
Location
Kansas City
TDI
1998 & 2000 new beetles
5th gear swap

I just purchased my 2000 TDI beetle. Yay.. I got 52mpg my first week and just put more air in the tires.. Trying for 60. What dirves me crazy is the RPMs at 55mpg. I would like to drive faster! They should be way lower... Around 1500 not 2000.

I found a link for a 5th grear swap and want to try it. I was reading this thread and noticed that the author had done a gear swap. I want to do it.......

What advice can you give me.. I am gifted with mechanics and can tear anything apart and get it back together but I also realize that there is no subsutitue for experience!!!!! I want to reduce the gearing as much as possible.

I know that clearance and special tools are big issues. What advice can you guys give me?
 

SpamJ

Veteran Member
Joined
Sep 6, 2001
Location
Cable, MN
TDI
Jetta GLS Wagon 2002 Reflex Silver
I had one of the guru's (MO Golf) do mine, it was fairly quick work (like an hour). I like the lower RPM. Do some searching, you will find a good write up.

I'm finding that over 65 MPH really eats into your MPG's and if your driving a bug, your aero is the worst of the A4 bunch, so your mileage will suffer more.

If I may make one recommendation, upgrade your injectors, our ratio's are pretty good for the 90HP engine, I think with the ratio change, then engine isn't in it's sweet spot and feels doggy in top gear.

The engine sounds more relaxed with the new gears.

Good luck
 

no_one_of_consequence

Veteran Member
Joined
Sep 18, 2006
Location
Mexico
TDI
Jetta A4 2006
miles_____gal____mpg___ date
1100.44___16.25___67.71___oct_07
1103.55___15.87___69.49___nov 07
1175.69___15.82___74.31___dec 07
1111.63___15.76___70.40___feb_08
1112.25___16.02___69.42___apr_08

1124.10___15.79___71.19___apr_08

1113.49___15.60___71.37___may 08
1103.55___15.80___69.82___june 08
1207.13___17.51___68.94___july 08

Driver: no_one_of_consequence
Miles: 1207.13
Gallons: 17.51
Model Year: 2006
Model: Jetta A4 PD
Tranny: 5M
Fuel Type: D2

MPG: 68.94

Light went on at 1040 miles and then she died on me after 167 miles. I primed the fuel filter and it started at the second try...well after I figured out that fuel on the tank was not enough. I stopped 400 m short of the nearest fuel station. About 1.5 gallons went to the tank, to the filter and some spillage. The rest filled to the brim at the pump. This wasn´t a very good tank but I went all the way to 1200 MILES.:eek:


 

bogeyboy99

Veteran Member
Joined
Mar 11, 2006
Location
Louisville, KY
TDI
2006 TDI
frederal said:
I know the trip computer is 20% optimistic. You can say it can't be done but that wouldn't change the outcome. I say it can and will be done. Someone on these forums has a 2003 Beetle TDI and he set a record at a TDI club meet in Madison Wi., with 1200 miles to a tank at 52 mph. These cars weigh almost exactly the same and the cd of drag is is lower on the Jetta: 31 vs 38. That makes The Jetta even more efficient by my calculations if driven in 5th at 42 mph it will do over 80 real mpg (not computer displayed). I'd go as far as to say if you could drive at 32 mph in 4th, you will see well over 100 mpg at 60f ambient temp. So if you want to call it hyper miling, I'm ok with that. But IT CAN AND WILL BE DONE!!!
I am sure some people have recorded over 850 mpg in these cars, I'm not at all suprised when I hear or read about it. I'm not looking for any encouragement, I am simply sharing the experience for what its worth. If this were 1898 I could just hear people like you say "we will never be able to land on the moon". Im now at 425 miles on the tank with commuting and the needle is now at 2/3 of a tank with 770 to empty, I don't expect to reach 1200 miles this tank, but, IT IS POSSIBLE TO ACHIEVE.
I love your enthusiasm and wish you the best of luck. I've got an '06 and love it but after 40k miles, two things stand out

1) the computer is hopelessly optimistic
2) the gas guage is almost as accurate as the computer

You cannot trust either of them. You have to fill, drive, fill and then check.
Your computer sounds like it needs to be recalculated if it's showing 770 left after 425 miles. These guys are struggling to get there with lighter cars, smaller engines, and bigger tanks.
Now, granted...if you're doing 32 mph in 5th the entire time...on a flat road...with virtually no stops, I suppose it feasible. But, you've got to average 80mpg and use every drop of fuel.
I've not heard of anyone with an '06 getting anywhere near what the older cars have gotten.
 

RichBoss302

Member
Joined
Jul 14, 2008
Location
Gulf Coast of Florida
TDI
2000 Jetta TDI
HOLY COW! I just bought a 2000 Jetta TDI with Automatic Tranny and was excited about possibly getting between 40-50mpg. I hit the fuel warning light and then filled up and it stopped at 12.6 gallons. Ummmmmmmm, just how big are the tanks in the cars getting 15 million MPG anyways? Is my tank approx 12.6 gallons with still a reserve, of an unknown amount to me so far??? I would LOVE to get 50, or 60 , or 70mpg!!! LOL
 

Richard55

Vendor
Joined
Jan 26, 2006
Location
Rutledge, Georgia
TDI
2000 NB
Look in your manual, but I think the Jetta tanks are 17.5 gals. My NB is 17.5 and I run it to 700 plus on every tank. I average about 65 MPH and smile. I am only doing this until Wednesday as I am getting new tires then and I will be back to 80 MPH plus again. hahaha
 

ofhs93

Veteran Member
Joined
Apr 4, 2004
Location
Scranton, PA
TDI
Jetta GL, 99.5, Silver
RichBoss302 said:
HOLY COW! I just bought a 2000 Jetta TDI with Automatic Tranny and was excited about possibly getting between 40-50mpg. I hit the fuel warning light and then filled up and it stopped at 12.6 gallons. Ummmmmmmm, just how big are the tanks in the cars getting 15 million MPG anyways? Is my tank approx 12.6 gallons with still a reserve, of an unknown amount to me so far??? I would LOVE to get 50, or 60 , or 70mpg!!! LOL
Do a little reading and searching. Lookup venting. Automatics do not often get much more than 50mpg even under the best circumstances. Take a look at last months mileage competition...I think you'll find that the best autos are still at least 5mpg lower than the best manuals (I think). Just want to temper your expectations a bit...and point you in the direction of figuring out how people are getting nearly 17 gallons in thier cars. The only way to do that is vent the tank and run the car at least another 100 miles after the low fuel light comes on (low fuel light normally mean 1.8-2 gallons left)....of course to be able to do that you have to be driving very economically :)
 

hitman

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 10, 2008
Location
Nauvoo,Al.
TDI
2003 Jetta auto (sold) 2009 Jetta TDI 1996 B4V Passat Wagon TDI
RichBoss302 said:
HOLY COW! I just bought a 2000 Jetta TDI with Automatic Tranny and was excited about possibly getting between 40-50mpg. I hit the fuel warning light and then filled up and it stopped at 12.6 gallons. Ummmmmmmm, just how big are the tanks in the cars getting 15 million MPG anyways? Is my tank approx 12.6 gallons with still a reserve, of an unknown amount to me so far??? I would LOVE to get 50, or 60 , or 70mpg!!! LOL
17 gallons is all my Jetta holds. That's venting and filling to where you can't put any more fuel in without it spilling over and running down your car. And yes, it's possible to get 40-50 mpg with an automatic! I got 56 mpg on my last tank and 956 miles:D When it turns cooler this fall, I'll shoot for the 1000 mile tank!
 

RichBoss302

Member
Joined
Jul 14, 2008
Location
Gulf Coast of Florida
TDI
2000 Jetta TDI
ofhs93 said:
Do a little reading and searching. Lookup venting. Automatics do not often get much more than 50mpg even under the best circumstances. Take a look at last months mileage competition...I think you'll find that the best autos are still at least 5mpg lower than the best manuals (I think). Just want to temper your expectations a bit...and point you in the direction of figuring out how people are getting nearly 17 gallons in thier cars. The only way to do that is vent the tank and run the car at least another 100 miles after the low fuel light comes on (low fuel light normally mean 1.8-2 gallons left)....of course to be able to do that you have to be driving very economically :)
How do you vent the tank?? I am sure this is a silly question but this is all very new to me but I want to learn as much as possible about my newfound TDI! I am used to my toyota tacoma and 65 mustang and the mpg they get.......this new 40-50mpg territory to me is AWESOME!
 

Blue_Hen_TDI

Top Post Dawg
Joined
Oct 23, 2005
Location
Slower, DE
TDI
owned: 96 B4V, 06 Golf, 12 NMS, 15 GSW
RichBoss302 said:
How do you vent the tank?? I am sure this is a silly question but this is all very new to me but I want to learn as much as possible about my newfound TDI! I am used to my toyota tacoma and 65 mustang and the mpg they get.......this new 40-50mpg territory to me is AWESOME!
Fill as normal and then, after the pump clicks off, push the little knob on the left of the filler neck back with the tip of the fuel nozzle while topping off. You can then fill all the way to the brim, usually an extra 1.5 or more gallons.

This will get old very quickly, so just do the ventectomy. It's a no-brainer with TDIs. http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?p=274521
 

Schwabe

Active member
Joined
Jun 26, 2008
Location
Grasonville, MD
TDI
2006 Jetta TDI
Well you certainly can either focus on MPG or total miles per tank. However to fill the tank past the designed capacity is no different then say adding an extra fuel cell in your trunk. If you do fill your tank to the brim make sure that you have a good distance to drive and use a lot of fuel otherwise if you just fill it and park it there is a chance that in summer heat the fuel will expand and spill all over the place.
 

meby

Veteran Member
Joined
Sep 28, 2007
Location
Southwest Michigan
TDI
2000 Ford Winstar ALH TDI 5 spd
Schwabe said:
Well you certainly can either focus on MPG or total miles per tank. However to fill the tank past the designed capacity is no different then say adding an extra fuel cell in your trunk. If you do fill your tank to the brim make sure that you have a good distance to drive and use a lot of fuel otherwise if you just fill it and park it there is a chance that in summer heat the fuel will expand and spill all over the place.

Diesel doesn't expand very much.
 

BruceMortland

New member
Joined
Dec 28, 2004
Location
Columbus, OH
TDI
2001 Jetta GL, dark green
So, lately, I've been experimenting with gas milease. I've been shifting at 1600rpm rather than 2000rpm and running a little slower. What, if any, harm am I doing the engine by not hitting the 2000 (or higher) rpm marks. I know there is some concern with the turbo, but frankly, I don't think my turbo is getting used given my driving habits. After reading a comment yesterday, it looks like I may was to get my engine (more importantly turbo) into the higher rpms at least once a day, just to exercise it a bit.
 

Blue_Hen_TDI

Top Post Dawg
Joined
Oct 23, 2005
Location
Slower, DE
TDI
owned: 96 B4V, 06 Golf, 12 NMS, 15 GSW
BruceMortland said:
So, lately, I've been experimenting with gas milease. I've been shifting at 1600rpm rather than 2000rpm and running a little slower. What, if any, harm am I doing the engine by not hitting the 2000 (or higher) rpm marks. I know there is some concern with the turbo, but frankly, I don't think my turbo is getting used given my driving habits. After reading a comment yesterday, it looks like I may was to get my engine (more importantly turbo) into the higher rpms at least once a day, just to exercise it a bit.
Just stab it through 4K rpm in 2nd and 3rd once a day and that'll go a long way to keeping the turbo happy.
 

mrGutWrench

Top Post Dawg
Joined
Aug 29, 2002
Location
Carrboro, NC
TDI
'03 Jetta Wagon, 5-speed, 563K Miles (July '23)
meby said:
Diesel doesn't expand very much.
__. Yeah, a materials engineer on this forum figured out that a change in temp of 70 degrees (from in the ground) to 110 degrees (parked car) is about 1.5 to 2 ounces in volume. You can't squeeze all the air out of the system down to 1.5 to 2 ounces.

__. Besides, once I was going on a trip the next day so I filled my car up to the brim as much as I could. I also filled up a two-gallon container of diesel. I drove home (about 4 blocks) and -- just for an experiment -- I looked in the filler neck; couldn't see any fuel. So I poured about 8 oz of fuel in an old M-1/TDT bottle and put it in the filler; still no fuel so I added another 8 oz. I could now see a little fuel in the lower part of the visible area of the neck so adding about 4 more oz. brought it up to the full point. Why was all that volume available? I can only guess -- my guess is that it's foam settling. But -- at least in that instance -- there was over half a quart free space in that tank 15 minutes after filling it (and that was North Carolina summer).

__. And that tank, completely "burped" and filled, never overflowed or dripped a drop. Concern about diesel expanding is misplaced.
 
Top